Quote: "was with (either my gorgeous Moldovan lady or more recently with my beautiful Ukranian lady)". LOL and they are where now? You probably wouldn’t know if you can’t even spell the name of their country. Another testimony to failure from the 10 trips you keep mentioning. 10 trips with no result is not exactly something to boast about. Don’t be surprised if you have 10 more with the same result, zero. Stick with those socials, they are clearly doing the trick, Do carry on……………
BOTH want desperately to be with me as soon as possible in America. It isn't a matter of IF they would be willing to come. They are begging for me to do the paperwork. No exageration at all.
ANOTHER area here you have tried to feed this forum horse-shit.
Have you gotten your badge yet? So you gan tell everyone of your munti-degreed friends that you TOO now have credentials. They will be so impressed that you are a member of the Internet Spelling Police. Maybe then they will also brag to their friends about having dinner with YOU (but I doubt it).
How many degrees did the people you had lunch with yesterday have? And what about dinner? And again from what prestigious institutions? You know that all of us at this forum want to be in awe of you again Dung. Please tell us so that we can be imressed.
Quote: "Stick with those socials, they are clearly doing the trick, Do carry on……………"
Ending a sentence with a COMMA Dung?
I'm going to have to report this to your Superiors (which in your case includes just about everyone). We can't have our Spelling Police Force making punctuation errors. The Punctuation Police Force simply won't HAVE IT!
OMG, I’ve done the same as your parents, I made a mistake.
Quote: “BOTH want desperately”. LOL, no doubt, a lot of people in the world are “desperate”, I’ve successfully avoided the desperate types. The problem is you can only petition 1 on a K-1 or K-3 and seeing as you can’t “work it out” perhaps you should approach World Vision for “Bulk” humanitarian visa assistance if these poor souls are as “desperate” as you describe them.
Quote: “They are begging for me to do the paperwork. No exageration at all.” Not doubting you for a moment, desperate women who beg have simply never been my cup of tea. To each his own.
joel...not trying to burst any bubbles but you don't sound very cautious to me.
All eggs in one basket has nothing to do with shopping, it is a matter of an expensive, time consuming trip going wrong when many bad signs going by you on your journey. You are not first guy to be so positive about girl only to find out later you were being used. I'm just a voice, one of many...you choose which you want to hear.
Dunromin....I mentioned about going through ears to see if joel was listening. Nothing wrong with giving input, any input should be welcomed...to a point of course.
beemer - maybe a couple grand is a big deal to you, to me it is not. I travel all the time for my work, so I couldn't give a f--k about the money or having to travel. I do care about being emotionally hurt but not much you can do about that, you either care about someone or you do not. You have to put yourself out there, if you stay at home watching tv and getting fat on the coach nothing will hurt you - right?
I have not heard from her for several days, her friends tell me not to worry when I write them, but she has not signed on to her my world site for quite some time (which is odd) and has not replied to any text messages - which is even more odd. So that is actually my priority at the moment.
I care about this person I think there is a chance of having a real relationship with her when we meet. Hopefully she is just busy with eid and I will hear from her this weekend.
jetmba... the same for me pretty much. i was never approached by a hooker in the 2 months i spent in kyiv, but i was with olya the whole time, 24/7, or i was with olya and her sister or julia her best friend! her sister and julia are also very beautiful! i'm sure it would have been different if i had been alone. just a few weeks until i'm back with her... i can't wait! :-) /pete
I'm sure that the only "desperate" you have ever encountered are those "desperate" to get away from you.
You mention in another thread how your exwife encountered your new one and left he cafe never to be seen again? Now THAT is "desperate escape" behavior! And I'm guessing its typical of most of your relationships.
I have no doubt she was kicking up her hels with glee.
Quote: “I'm guessing”. You do a lot of “Guessing”, perhaps you should start dealing in realities and your success rate might rise above the zero level. Carry on..........
sadly mate its not easy in fsu relations 10 trips or like me ive done 20 trips. - its easy to find a bird--------- thats the easy part
finding one thats honest that won't rob you blind and you have just narrowed 1000 fsu birds down to a possible 45 .
you dig a bit deeper you cancel out another 25 of the 45 .
on it goes !
I know a pom living - in st peters 12 years been through hell ! still on his own after around 17 failed attempts .( THEY ALL TRIED HIM ON AS A SUGAR DADDY !)
and he is as straight as an arrow .
tell you the recipe for getting as close as you can to a match
(A) get a bird that 3/4 family is dead ( so sad you say but thats just saved you about 25k a year ) you dont want to keep the spongers fuggem !!
(B) inforce the law - if she knows 1 shit russian of ukraine man - SHE'S out the gate - stick to your guns on that one .
(C) dont get one with any interest in westernisation / mobiles, cars, all the shit - you dont want one with any angles of expence .
(D) dont get a marriage crazy idiot !
(E) certainly dont get one that has visions of a grand life and leaving fsu
(F) get one that dies for loyalty sees only you and is so honest that the pope would give her a job as his aide .
in my last 3/4 years try as i may, i could secure BIRDS -with only 4 of these 6 points .
years before that it was easy to find a tart with 6 of 6 score
believe me if you can't pull em into line on 6 out of 6 your wasting your time and $$
and she must know whom the boss is = you ! respect ay if they dont respect you - your absolutely wasting your time.
in the past / the present / and the future i have never allowed ( nor will i allow any russian bird iam with to know any other single man from anywhere in her life ! not in any way or form ! --------if you do your an idiot -as that opens the deciet door .
old saying --lay down with dogs/ you get up with fleas . any woman whom is with 1 and dares to know another man !
in my book is shit ----------ive thrown some georgous women in the past through finding an old school buddies phone number .
you have to ask yourself she's with me !! why would you keep details of another ??? = simple answer deciet
she should have the brains to eradicate any male companionship before you arrive - if she cares for you 1000% she will do that long before you arrive at the door !
remember mate ''beggars cant be choosers ! of two people the western man --is hardly the beggar so SHE has to perform or perrish ! not you !
remember we hold all the cards - we always did / we always will !
in that country you trust only what you see !not more !
you have to play ''dick tracy '' at least for first 6 months there ! or she will turn turtle on you ,
hi every body.
hi joel,
first, with all my repect and miniumum a million sorry if my words will hurt any one ,
i live in a country wher cccp girls work and only work in supernight clubs, the system there is that when a man goes to one of these places he sits with a girl , and ask her for a date to go out , going out means 99% directly to a hotel .(to be forced to work is not applicable here she can refuse ,but she will not make money).
brfore 4 years i spent my vacation in moscow,and start to like every thing about russia,since then i start also going to these nightclubs,i met many girls and after have somekind of a feeling or a friendship with some , most of them have a child and work just to help him, some for family , in the beginning , cause after its an easy way to make money.this way will be the key of ant problem they face : if they lost a dear or a dish was broken).
i stayed with one girl for 4 months , her contract is finished and she has to go home . i lived this case ,i visited her two times in her city , these girls have two personalies, when they reach the air port the put always put the needed face,
fot the truth , i like this girl or maybe love ,here she was good and lovely .but in her counrty i saw her with her friends(they also travell the same). ther it was impossible to beleive that these girls can or accept to work in prostitution.
they are all angels in their counrty, but outside they are what we all know : a 200$ lady per night , after her permisson.
I disagree with point A above. Why would passed away family save you $25,000? Are you of the danny school - spending HUGE amounts for the family. I can't imagine paying $25,000 to her family. Any body who ever ends up in that situation IS a sugar daddy BIG TIME.
My Moldovan lady, unfortunately lost her father at a young age. She also happens to be an only child. That means it is onnly her and her 60 year old mother living together and its been that way for twenty years.
Aunts, Uncles, cousins - either not close or passed on.
So its safe to say that 3/4 of her family has passed on - but that doesn't make it any easier.
When I brought her to America of course Mommy was left alone. And she had to call Mommy constantly. And of course Mommy was lonely now living all alone. Her daughter and her did EVERYTHING together.
You want to find a girl from a well-to-do family who ISN'T going to depend on you for money - nor is her family. The Ukrainian girl is like that.
From a Kiwi point of view, $25k to take care of her family is a no brainer.
I do agree with being watchful over their contact with other guys. Im happy for my girl to have any contact with her women friends (but not at night), but Ive seen too much to allow "men friends".
For me, Ive never pursued married women, but for others it seems to be a national sport. Russian/ Ukrainian men pursue best friends wives. Theyll do anything for you, drink vodka with you for years and all the time be trying to seduce your wife behind your back.
If ever the girl im with wants a guy friend for anything, Im like "Oh I hadnt thought about an open relationship, but there are a few blondies I could all." This normally does the trick because FSU women get really jealous.
I think FSU women like you to be a bit jealous. Either way to allow them anymore contact with other guys than is necessary is asking for disaster.
These ladies have gone through some hard times. In some places in the FSU they STILL make $200 per month. See see the same media, television and movies, that the rest of us see. And they know that till someone proves differently - they only have one life here on earth. One chance to experience things or to live in poverty.
Of course there are exceptions. There are better that some in the FSU live (prosperous places) places to live. There are opportunities with education. I'm not talking about those situations. But, fortunately or unfortunately, the most valued thing that many of these women have is their bodies.
Who among us has never done anything they weren't proud of? But just because nobody is holding a gun to their heads when they do it (though in some cases that does happen), and just because nobody is dragging them to the hotel kicking and screaming, doesn't neccessarily mean its something they want to do.
We sit back and judge because w're all pretty comfortable. You can live a good life in the west and practically do nothing. Even the poorest families in nonurban areas have a couple of cars. You have to be pretty bad not to have enough to eat. And there is welfare and public assistance aplenty if you choose to do absolutely nothing.
These people don't live in anything like that. "Choosing" is a relative thing if you have few choices. The lifestyle they choose means the difference between having something and having absolutely nothing.
I just got a reply from her, she lost the charger for her cell phone so her phone was dead. She was very busy because of eid. She said she is going to take some pictures of her at work so I can see what she does. Can't ask for more than that, if there are pictures of her working somewhere I think that pretty much closes the case. However I guess if I was super paranoid I could think she had it setup, but thankfully I am not.
She sent me some more pictures of her today also, she said she will setup skype this weekend and we will be able to chat/video so that is awesome.
The whole thing was a bit of a nightmare but made me realize I have to go meet her, not doing so now is not an option.
I do not understand, if you were finding girls that had all 6 of your criteria why would you not stay with them - How can you expect loyalty from someone who is just a nice piece of ass to you?
You posting shows I think why the thread "Is it our fault" was created, its this attitude which has probably convinced many FSU girls that guys that come over are just looking to be with a hot girl and then move on to someone else. So why not use them?
From the attitude in your letter you did them a favor moving on but how many girls did you hurt in the process??
Quote: “tell you the recipe for getting as close as you can to a match”. Mike, a lot of guys around this pursuit will “Tell you the recipe”. Interestingly enough, almost all of them haven't found “A Match”.
Dung is trying everything he can for a little credibility. First it was bragging about how many degrees his dinner guests have. Now its mentioning in every post that others know nothing because they haven't found a match yet (and he supposedly has).
Dung - stick a feather in your....eye. And pat yourself on the head saying "Good Boy Dung". Then let us get on with the business at hand.