As a newcomer to this site, it never ceases to amaze me how every thread gets twisted into some form of personal attack by someone on someone else. Here's a really radical suggestion - try keeping to the topic of the original post! Most threads start with something interesting, but too many unfortunately degenerate far too soon.
I've seen mentions in other threads recently about how attacks have turned new members away - I'm not in that situation because I'm not likely to be asking questions that might invite ridicule. I've been to Russia (admittedly only once, although I hope to go again within the next couple of years), having made all my own arrangements and having had a wonderful time (OK, the girl wasn't right for me, but that's a minor detail).
Since I joined this forum I've seen some really good advice handed out, but I've also seen so much absolute crap dished up that I almost feel like leaving because most of the threads turn into a nonsensical waste of time. Please, guys, step back and do yourselves (and everyone else) a favour by taking a look at what you've written BEFORE you hit the SEND button. Why, in the space of 10 threads, should I have to wade through 4595 attacks on Danny? And no, that doesn't need an answer!
As for calling each others' wives or girlfriends "prostitutes" or "whores," words fail me. I'm presuming here that this particular occupation is not one that is (or has been) followed by the ladies in question, therefore the statements are libellous. Does the great American tradition of "freedom of speech" over-ride what is the law in most countries around the world? Or is the other great American tradition of suing the pants off all and sundry not an option?
I'm bemused but not particularily surprised at attacks on folk like Danny mentioned here.
Just because someone is different or does things differently leaves them open to scrutiny and ultimately judgement by those who are too insecure to be their own person.
A pack mentality.
They know who they are.
The problem being, is new guys don't get involved. Recently a new guy asked a relatively docile but rookie question and got jumped for it. Called an idiot right from the start. Why a guy gets hammered here is not for a difference of opinion. He gets hammered because of stupidity. We've had a litany of new guys get hammered by a few stupid people. Though I'm may be considered one of the trouble makers by the more PC crowd, my intent is to help new guys.
I'm no expert, I've been married to a lady from Mariupol for going on three years. You want to know about Kiev, Mariupol or Yalta I can help. You need to watch, there are more scams in these forums than the women will ever pull on new guys.
It's far from Pack mentality. It's guys with common sense refuting idiots. I've known Jet a long time, he has an issue with Dunromin at the moment. I like Jet, but Dunromin has done nothing to me. So where's the pack mentality Kirk? Pact mentality is just eupehmism for neutrality, even though you agree with Pack. Lack of security' nope I will disagree. It's insecure to not challenge idiocy.
As for freedom of speech, it has it limits. You can't yell fire in a theatre. Though suing a fool for idiotic statements in a forum like this is like shoving jello through a garden hose. "I'm in total agreement with Billy Carter, "Kill all the lawyers and Kill them tonight"
I've taken this search very seriously and it worked for me. Maybe that's why I don't take to ignorant stupid remarks so well. This is a serious undertaking for many. It doesn't need to be polluted by idiots who just want to destroy the ambition of others. I encourage any man to try this. What is a lifetime of happiness worth to you?
Most of us really want to help a new guy who comes in. That's what we are here for. There is a certain brotherhood here. What offends some of us occasionally is when people come in and start flailing about and making ridiculous statements, or unduly attacking another member or a practice advocated without reason. If a new person, or even one who has been here a while, attacks someone else, he can expect a response from the person attacked. There is nothing new and revolutionary about that.
There IS very little pack mentality here. Generally if a person is refuted en-masse it is because he has attacked others en-masse. The situation with danny is a good example of this. Its hard to find a single regular writer who danny hasn't attacked. Thats why he tend to receive neagative responses from all of us.
I DO have an issue with dunromin (and happen to believe that he is an ignorant pompous ass) but you will note that it has been my issue alone. Pack mentality would suggest that others would ALSO go head to head against him. You'll notice that they haven't. Neither have they attacked me. This is a one-on-one dispute so far and properly its been kept that way by the forum.
There are disputes that nasfan has had and while I respect his opinion, I don't necessarily share his dispute. I tend to steer clear in those situations. That is not to say I will not comment if the issue is one that I am interested in, but I will try to comment so as not to provoke either side.
Now sometimes in a dispute that nasfan might be having (for instance) the other party will broaden the attack, or wil call in subject matter that I do have issues with. Then of course I WILL join in, but there has to be good reason.
It would be great to be able to stay on the subject matter specific to the title of the thread. But that would require much stronger moderation than we have now. Some threads are started to answer a simple question. And when that question is answered shoud the thread necessarily DIE? This is free flowing forum much like life is.
Ben, which particular backwater south of the Bombays do you call home? :) Seriously, I know nothing about Moldova so your posts always interest me. The fact that you've decided to split your life between east and west (although for us it's north-west and a bit more north-west!) is also something that I've vaguely considered, so I may well ask for advice if I think about it a bit more seriously.
In response to the others - Kirkland: I haven't realy noticed a pack mentality yet (apart from attacking Danny, which everyone seems to do in their own way), but then I've only been here for a short time.
Nasfan: thank you - I think your last paragraph sums up what this forum is (or should be) all about.
Jetmba: I've been watching your spat with Dunromin with a bemused look, but surely by now you could both put it to bed? Most of the posts from both of you are full of sensible advice, and it seems a shame that what appears to me to have started as a misunderstanding has escalated into Forum War III!
The question about moderation is also one that I've wondered about. To me, the threads (or at least the individual posts) referring to prostitutes and whores should have been yanked as soon as there was a complaint. If this was a porn fetish site, maybe fair enough, but it isn't - for me, there's no place on here for this sort of rubbish. I come from a country where litigation of the type we hear about in the United States just doesn't exist, but even I would sue the forum owner if this sort of libel was published about my own nearest and dearest and left for the world to see AFTER I'd asked for it to be removed.
I'm from the deep south, Aucklander..far far away from the Bombany hills :) Let me know if your ever over this way. I plan to be here a while, at least until we have won the Rugby World cup in 2011 so I can end my exile. I'm glad I have proved some interest anyhow.
Quote: “As for calling each others' wives or girlfriends "prostitutes" or "whores," words fail me.”
If a few decide to have a frank exchange from time to time, so be it, but non participant wives, partners and friends are off limits IMO.
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QUOTE (by DungRimming): "Quote: “As for calling each others' wives or girlfriends "prostitutes" or "whores," words fail me.”
If a few decide to have a frank exchange from time to time, so be it, but non participant wives, partners and friends are off limits IMO."
And that's why you told me that my fiance came from a cesspool? How is that again? You also told us all earlier that women from Romance Socials were paid to attend - and that most likely I had kept time with hookers when I met my fiance? Later you mentioned that I was perhaps with a retired hooker?
DungRimming - you must learn to speak with your mouth (with the home that at least IT can be accurate and consistant) rather than through your ASS as you have shown us all lately.
Quoting what certain members say in the hope that other members will pounce on that and give their own opinion is pack mentality.
It's human nature. We're a social animal. A pack animal.
In every strata of human society there are factions where if you don't conform to their norm you are ostracized, ridiculed and flung out.
Doesn’t matter what you say or do…if you’re not in…you’re not in.
(Doesn’t matter what you say or do…if you’re not in…you’re not in.)
Well I'm certainly not in with the 'in crowd' here so that only serves to reitterate what I say above, I speak as I find and not how other(s) believe I should speak/find.
I can think of 2 members that, more or less, speak the same crap as each other, slapping each other on the back so to speak (and it's probably not who you think you are!) but I don't believe 2 people constitutes a 'pack'.
First of all Kirkland, animals are incapable of cognizant reason. Pack mentality starts without a thought process. More of a frenzied rabid attack. Second we can be social animals or we don't have to be social. I prefer at times to be on my own. A bit of a free spirit.
Also it does not bother me to not be accepted. Accepted by who? Who is ordained such merit that I should worry about acceptance. That's the PC mentality. That is not for me. We have seen what the Political Correct mentality has done to the world. I won't go along to get along to for the sake of harmony, if I think something is wrong or know that is wrong. I'm not afraid to challenge the status quo.
Though you have condemnation for people here who have disputes with others, especially the idiots that deserve it, but you yourself will celebrate by wanting a book from a man who admitted to paying others to beat woman. Something is a little haywire with your thought process.
I also disagree about there being a "pack mentality". It implies that there is or was a coordinated plan to single individuals out. There wasn't!
IMO, there are usually a few trolls on any forum who like to stir the pot. Speaking for myself, I had enough of certain opinions going unchallenged and I took action. Others joining in and expressing similar view points does not constitute a "pack mentality".
Well put Nasfan6. I'll still be buying the book though.
MIKE00 just didn't just roll over after being shafted.
He took the law into his owns hands and got his cash back.
How many men have been shafted by the law which protects wrong doers?..Ex wives taking you for as much as, company stealing your pension, lawyers, foreigners living in your country but living by their rules, can't turn them down for employment or they'll take you to court, even the kids who cause hundreds in damage to your car and you can't do a thing about it.
A dog bites you in the arse and try to protect yourself by kicking it in the teeth since its the only thing its gonna understand you get the police at your door for animal cruelty.
Seems to me its open season for the your average working man. Let's all bend over....again.
What's fair:- a woman who rips a guy off 35K and then learns the hard way.
Or a woman who rips a guy off 35K and goes and does it again to the next guy.
Kirkland, then don't go giving any guys shit about disputes in this forum and how you are above it all. Mike00 didn't do shit. You believe it you're a bigger fool than I think you are. Secondly if he had the balls mate, he would have done it himself. He did roll over, he was an idiot from the beginning and he set a bad example for new guys traveling abroad. Then boasted how it wouldn't bother him to lose 100k, then in another thread complains how it almost broke him. He's full of shit. He was going to buy his lady a BMW and thanked Navarreman for helping him patch up his relationship. That was in July of 2007. Can't dodge his own writings.
If she would have tried to poison him, he would have spread it all over the forum. Why wait over a year to tell a fabricated story? Go ahead and buy the book purely fiction. Just like the rest of his nonsense. If he was so straight up, he would have more defenders than Quasi and Monada. I rest my case.