I'm new to this forum but I have seen many good advices from people leaving or visiting EU countries.
Some background on me:
I'm single, still good looking and I like genuine romance and dating. I'm neither interested in paid sax nor in meeting potential brides. However, as I like to say, I don't need to find a life partner, but if I happen to find that spacial one I will only be happy.
I visited Russia and Ukraine several times for work and leasure, and still do it. I speak fairly decent russian.
I expecially like Kiev because it's a great city with parks and nice architecture and stunning women.
I'm considering to even buy a small flat there now that prices are falling sharp.
However several people advised me to check out Odessa first, because they say people are nicer, women are even more beautiful, life is cheaper and there's the sea.
Since I've never been to Odessa and I cannot visit it before 3-4 months because I'm too busy at work now, can I ask you about your opinions about these cities?
About lifestyle, beauty of the city and safety, quality of entertainments and price, general attitude of women. And whatever else you will like to tell me ))
Odessa is full of scammers more so than other cities in ukraine.It gets loaded up with foreign men all seeking that elusive lovely single lady.
It is one of the main root core chain of supply for anastasia com, army of brides agencies.These agencies have awful reputations.
I have only been once for 4 weeks in 2007 to odessa-there were a lot of forceful aggressive Muslim men there from Turkey and some other muslim countries. Some of the ladies were not interested in their attentions,but a few really beautiful ladies that are dazzled seduced by money were pairing off with these men.I saw a lot from night discos and pavement cafes ,restaurants.
There is a very wide choice of men for these women to choose from in Odessa.They will certainly not go into any permanent relationship with any western European or American man unless he has something VERY special to offer them.
I have been in Odessa about 6 months now, and have spend a total of about 30 days in Kiev over the past few years.
I totally agree with jez, above. There are many foreign men wandering around here looking for a woman. The good girls here don't trust foreign men and the bad girls just use them for money and gifts. I actually think that for meeting decent girls here being a foreigner is a disadvantage.
I know several girls that have multiple boyfriends in other countries, plus a "real" local boyfriend. When the foreign guys come here, the girls are just looking for some nice dinners, a vacation in Crimea or Turkey, or a new mobile phone. The scary thing about these girls is that when you meet them they seem very sweet and sincere.
If you want to have fun, go to the beach, and go to nightclubs, Odessa is better than Kiev, especially in the summer. If you can speak some Russian, you will meet some girls who you can hang out with for a few weeks. But, I think the chance of meeting your "special one" here is pretty much zero.
go to uzhgorod few western tourists youd be a novelty even the ladies working in the hotels I think I could easily have pulled, in the nightclub wife went home early one night I was followed by 1 girl all night.
Good mix here owned by Hungary,Czech Rep and Slovakia at different times allso close to Romanian border.
You can fly to Budapest quite cheap and get a train directly for about 25dollars there and its really a beautiful safe city. Or else rent a car and drive takes about 4 hours its only 12 km from border.
Weather is very good as its protected by Carpathian borders. Anyone deceides to go or wants some contacts with good people there let me know. But Id highly recomment it.
Im sure there is working girls here but I have never seen them even a friend who came once tried to no success he asked a taxi driver who shook his head.
If you prefer smaller city and be able to walk to many places or short drive Odessa is better plus you have sea. Kiev is large city and has many more sites to see and more expensive.
I do agree you see more foreigners in odessa, I don't know if maybe it is because smaller population it is more visible. I do have friends who are muslim and I have good time with them. Many have married girls in odessa, most work regular jobs like any ukrainian there.
I am interested in what VNV said about girls there having 'local' boyfriends. How does one know for sure if girl does or not...if she does will 'local' let her spend a week or two with guy for at most dinners...at resaurant or at apt? I don't go shopping at all.....and still meet with girls if I have time.
I know a number of girls in agencies, that I often see meeting with foreigners and a translator, who also have real boyfriends. What does the "real" boyfriend think of all of this? I can't say for sure, because I don't know any of the local boyfriends.
But I know one girl does not tell her boyfriend. She meets with foreigners in the private room of Yokogama or some other place where she won't be seen. I know another girl that says her boyfriend is OK with her meetings, as long as she isn't having sex or getting involved (although this particular girl just tried to make a visa to visit her foreign boyfriend and hasn't yet told her local boyfriend).
I can also say that I know of one small, local agency here that has a good reputation, where about half of the girls under 30 have a boyfriend of some sort or another. I know someone who works at this agency, and she convinced all of her pretty friends to put up a profile, even though they have no real interest in meeting a foreigner.
I know several otherwise "nice" girls that have the attitude that it is fine to juggle several boyfriends so that they can see who will offer them the best life. It doesn't matter if the guys are foreign or local.
There is no way of knowing "for sure" if a girl has a local boyfriend. But, in six months I've only met a few people here that I really trust.
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I know several otherwise "nice" girls that have the attitude that it is fine to juggle several boyfriends so that they can see who will offer them the best life
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And further more that's its OK to string the also-rans along even after you've made your choice just in case #1 falls through at any point.