I would try bride.ru. Because you get direct contact. Also, I would suggest going after russian girls because the ukraine market is flooded right now. Maybe girls near australia, like novsibirsk and cities on the east coast.
lol! i tried online-dating-ukraine.com, thought it seemed pretty good, ended getting some email addresses for a couple of girls. had to send/read quite a few messages first though, or there's the option of paying 50 usd (i think) to request it earlier. girls *seem* real enough, but who knows until you actually go and meet them? i must have spent a lot of money at there.
i also used to use bride.ru, paying for silver membership i think. it did seem pretty good because you could at least get their email addresses for free, or phone number. spoke to one russian girl a few times, but time difference was 12 hours so that wasn't going to go anywhere!
i did get the address for one girl that i really liked from bride.ru and i sent her some roses. 12 of them! bugger! i never heard from her again! how was i supposed to know i was meant to send an odd number of flowers? (even though by default you could only choose an odd number from the flowers site!)
Quote: “Maybe girls near australia, like novsibirsk and cities on the east coast.”
Quite near isn’t it. Novosibirsk is about 1800 miles from the nearest East coastal part of Russia, but I guess it is all relative because it is only 10 hours flying time plus a 10 hour connection plus another 5 hours flying by the shortest route out of Aus.
Free Russian language sites ar the best. Literally hundreds of thousands of girls. Contact is free if I didnt mention it. You canuse online translators to work it all out and pick up some Russian. Girls and language.
I'm from america. So I don't correspond with anybody from vladivostok for logistic reasons. However, voronezh is right across the border from ukraine. So this would be a good option because she could meet you in kiev and you both have a vested interest in making it work.
Vladivostok is further (Flying time including connections) via the shortest route from Aus than is Novosibirsk. Point is, there isn’t any short cuts. It’s a long way and it’s hard work from here if any punter wants to develop and sustain a relationship which might have some chance of developing into a lasting marriage. The punters need to get their head around that from the outset. When I used to visit honey before she was Mrs, the best I shot the trip out in was 47 hours 30 door to door including planes, trains and automobiles. Some trips were 60 hours door to door.
Dudes:
I thought Vladivostok was a good place to start.
My first two scammers were from there. It was good lessons.
So be careful, you may think it is better trying there because
of location but they know all the tricks there too...
there seems to be a general acceptance that small towns are a better place than the bigger cities.
please don't be fooled like i was.
you may have noticed many beautiful girls from the southern Ukraine regions.
i have spent a summer in these regions.
Let me tell you, being from a small town doesn't mean your stupid. These people don't have a lot of opportunity and have perfected the art of extracting money from foreigners. They do it with precision and without any feeling of remorse. They do it out of necessity, greed, and the fact that they were not raised with any kind of religion. Say what you will, but if you were raised Christian like i was then you would be very hard pressed to scam people the way they do. It is cruel and criminal.
the bottom line is, if you can't find a girl in a big city, your chances in a smaller one are not that much better. In a big city, there will at least be places to go to at night, alternate forms of entertainment, etc..
living in the small town that one summer was extremely boring. and the amount of women that were interested in me because I was a foreigner was extremely small.
i am open to questions if anyone wants to ask. i want to help people not make the same mistakes i did. ukraine doesn't deserve your money.
"if you were raised Christian like i was then you would be very hard pressed to scam people the way they do. It is cruel and criminal."
Gecko.......have you heard of these guys......Rev's Jerry Farwell and Jim Bakker????
Christian or not, scams are not reserved to a certain country or certain town or even to being religious or not.
As far as spending my money, as long as i feel i got value from it, i have no problems
in ukraine or anywhere in FSU. Look to have a great time and experience as much as possible so that meeting right girl is secondary.
Gecko,
I share your views about Bride.ru.
I met my girl through this site and we get married in a few weeks. And it was easy.
I can't understand why anyone would communicate through agency mediators.
Also, after two years of communicating and learning from her about her friends and family, and meeting some of them, this view of all Russians being a nation of scammers and dishonest people is bullshit.
For those from the U.K contemplating meeting a F.S.U. lady, it is worth knowing that if you choose a Russian rather than a Ukraine lady, it is now quite easy, once a relationship is established, to get her to the U.K. on a visitor visa to stay for up to 2 weeks at a time at your home. This is invaluable to your relationship, for her to gain confidence about making such a huge move from everything that she knows, and to meet your relatives and friends in advance and to see how her future will be. This relates to Russian nationals, not to residents of Ukraine.
"They do it out of necessity, greed, and the fact that they were not raised with any kind of religion. Say what you will, but if you were raised Christian like i was then you would be very hard pressed to scam people the way they do."
What has religion to do with it ???? I'm an atheist, does it mean I steal everything that's not glued and scam people on a daily basis ?? What a stupid remark....living somewhere in the "Bible-belt" of the US, I guess ?
i'm from the northeast and i stand by what i said about religion. i know being raised Christian has made me a better person if only for the level of guilt i live with for even THINKING sinful thoughts. I am sure there are a lot of Christians out there who know what I am talking about. I am also sure there are people who use religion for their personal gain. But these are false idols and shouldn't be worshiped. But we already knew that!
I also know atheist have nothing better to do than put down believers. I am sure you feel a little better about yourself when you put others down.
thomasm3, instead of putting people down, why don't you offer up some advice. The topic on this thread is 'best online dating options...'
obviously i am talking mostly about the Ukrainians we deal with. I am talking mainly about the marriage agencies.
I don't know much about the other industries. But it is widely known that ukraine is one of the most corrupt country in the world. So this speaks to other industries. The study was done over all countries in world so i don't think they had an agenda to make ukraine look bad.
BEEMER18 says, 'meeting right girl is secondary.'
ok beemer, we know what your about. getting third world pussy are you? getting good value for your money are you are you? or maybe your just really enjoying the trips to Chernobyl? or maybe the beautiful beaches in odessa? beemer there are other sites for mongers such as yourself. you don't need to pollute these forums.
well some of us are looking for love and 'meeting the right girl' is not secondary! and i'd like to post about how we can help each other do this in the most efficient ways. i think we can all agree that the marriage agencies aren't here to help us. so lets help ourselves!!!
geco...you have no idea who or what I am about.......
guess you haven't been in this forum very long. if it was getting laid that I wanted I wouldn't be going 7000 miles...I'd be around the corner. Have you ever heard the saying...you find what you don't look for....just ask Pete. Some guys are so into finding the 'right girl' that the best ways are getting excluded. Why put all eggs in one basket? Don't be a foreigner, get to know people and develop friendships, this will go a long way into meeting girls, not the ones from agencies or sites. I do still use sites to meet some girls but I don't rely on them anymore. I don't have the means to stay for months at a time.....so I have my way...I just concentrate on 2 cities for a few weeks...
I think biggest problem with scammers is the fools that feed into it and send $$$$$$$.
@gecko: you have no idea what you're talking about. Feeling better about putting believers down ? LOL...I don't give a crap what you believe, I just hate reading some fanatic propaganda...you didn't answer my question: so as I don't follow ANY religion, does it make me a bad prson who has no values or remorse ? Cause that's what I understood...
Christianity preaches love of your fellow man. The fact that it doesn't always work that way is neither here nor there. Christian countries are generally more stable than the countries ruled by religous fanatics.
On the other hand; communism preached love of an ideology. The state was the be all and end all. The number of ordinary Russians who died for the pursuit of that ideology is unknown. But everyone knows the figure ran into millions.
When Russia stabilised after the purges, discrimination, ethnic cleansing etc, etc and WW2 it left a nation who regarded their fellow man as someone to be used or abused to get a step up. Read Animal farm...that's the way it was...dont do as I do...do as I say.
Generally people will gravitate to the lowest form of human behavoir that is neither lawless or held in low regard by ones peers. Shafting your fellow man for a little extra was not lawless or frowned upon in communist countries, since the state is God.
This is the legacy you see now in fsu, especially Ukraine which was always the county mother russia raped as an example to the lesser states not to mess with the kremlin.
That's why Ukrainians girls have such contempt for fat americans who come over and flash their money. That's why they circle and go in for the kill.
It's not about religion or lack of it, its what was in the place of religion to keep the people in check.
thomasm3. is that what you understood? well you missed the point. I was speaking to a culture and not about you specifically. By the way, you live in a predominantly Christian society. Take a look at whats written on your money. what does it say?
I've lived in many places in the world and amongst many people. I prefer to be around spiritual people. Thats a preference. There are many people who are spiritual in Ukraine.
In addition to the good advice Beemer said in his previous post, I would add the following:
if your their on a sunday, or any day for that matter, ask the girl your with to take you to the local church so that you can give your thanks. Its not like a long service like in america so you can go for just a few minutes. walk in walk out. but i would think it would leave a good impression.
That will accomplish two things: establish your a spiritual person, it will let you know if she is a spiritual person.
Listen, in a normal situation, it would be nice if we all had mutual friends to introduce us to establish trust. but short of that, its nice to know that at least you both believe in the same things.
thomasm3, most believers are not fanatics. You should try being more accurate with your remarks and less negative. No one is saying anything negative about you, i'm just saying something positive about spiritual people.