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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Best Visa for to get for living long term in Ukraine (Uk based @ the moment) Author Post JinUK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/3/2009 9:54:28 AM   I want to live in Ukraine possibly long term. I have visited 7 times in the last 2 years. I searched the web but as usual things get confusing and complicated, so I thought I would ask on here as I am sure some of you are living in Ukraine with your ladies. I have a small pension I have taken early and some savings which would be enough to live there comfortably without working(hopefully). I don't want to get married yet, I want to make sure I can settle there for at least 12 months. I don't want a business visa as I would have to pay tax even though I wouldn't be earning. Thanks in advance. J chrisc4 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/3/2009 11:30:34 AM   For now you will be better off just doing the 90 day crossing the boarder and then coming back its no problem, you could get a 1 year business visa , it does not mean you have to pay tax, and if you make money here you pay it to Ukraine not UK, If thing were to work out and you liked it here you could go for resedency,which is what I have , if you want to know anything else,send us a e-mail chris.campling4@btopenworld.com Pitter Pen Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/4/2009 3:18:47 AM   1) You may get a Private Visa, and in particular the type of the visa which is marked "VP" (or in Ukrainian – "Ï-1"). The VP is issued for the term of 6 months and is easy to be obtained by a citizen of the United Kingdom. The term of the VP may be prolonged. 2) You also may obtain an Immigration Visa. There can be three types of this visa but the most appropriate for you are: - the VA (IM-1 in Ukrainian) that is issued for those one who got a job in Ukraine. The VA is issued for one year and may be prolonged either. - the VE (IM-2 in Ukrainian) that is issued for a person who is coming to Ukraine for permanent place of living. You will also need to obtain a permit for permanent place of living. To obtain this permit you have to correspond to certain requirements, and in general, I guess you cannot obtain such a right now. But everything may be possible. Regarding taxation. Of course there are several ways of taxation. But there is a possibility to pay taxes in the UK. Some regions of the UK are off-shore areas for Ukraine and are used by our companies in order to diminish their taxes. JinUK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/4/2009 4:33:32 AM   Thanks Chris, I am pretty certain you can't do the 90 day border crossing now,they changed the rules last year. I think you have to pay tax even if you don't earn anything on a business visa. Although if it was for only 1 year it may the easiest option. I may contact you later regarding the residency visa Thanks Pitter Pen Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/4/2009 8:40:24 AM   If you are in Ukraine, do not have business, real estate, car and are not an employee, then you are free of taxes. If you have business here, then you may be registered as a payer of taxes upon the simplified taxation system. It will cost you near 200 UAH (25 USD) per month. If you have profit in Ukraine, then you need to follow the procedure of avoidance of double taxation. Otherwise you will need to pay taxes in both of the countries. chrisc4 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/4/2009 2:31:03 PM   Jim at the moment you can do 2,90 days back to back with out any problems,afriend of mine has just done this any more you may have to drop a couple of hundred Hrn to the guy on the border,then it would not be any problem !!!! its the cheapest optoin but if you were to fly in and out of kiev, I dont think they would even look at your passport, you could also get a visa via the Ukraine embassy in London ,but these days they are not sokeen to give you one, you can go throught the imagration visa's,but its a real pain for shore and you will need someone to`help you,i did it but its a pain in the ass to do for shore , standing in many ques for hours on end !!! need reg in a apt etc, I pay the simplyfied tax but to do that you idealy need to be a resident, but if your not working you dont need to pay any tax ( and even if you are there are not really that intrseted either )its a wonderulsystem for shore ! ben2006 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/4/2009 4:26:09 PM   Chrisc4 are you from Australia my any chance? Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/4/2009 5:12:33 PM   Many business people, particularly those that visit Israel, and other M. Eastern countries, have 2 passports, one for the Israeli stamps and one for all the rest! So if one had 2 passports, could one enter and leave Ukraine, after 3 months, and then re-enter on the 2nd passport and continue alternating passports every 3 months? Pitter Pen Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/5/2009 2:45:44 AM   Chrisc4, could you explain your "you may have to drop a couple of hundred Hrn to the guy on the border,then it would not be any problem"? Did you mean the bribe? If yes, then such a person will be an illigal in Ukraine and after the first check of his/her documents by the police he/she will be deported. ben2006 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/5/2009 8:30:34 AM   "So if one had 2 passports, could one enter and leave Ukraine, after 3 months, and then re-enter on the 2nd passport and continue alternating passports every 3 months?" Never tried but I think it may work as when they checked my passport to see how long as had stayed (I had stayed 82 days) they looked only at the dates on the passport stamps and not the computer so if you had 2 passports then probably it would work. Of course if they catch you then your'll get deported and banned from reentering for some time which probably isn't worth the risk if your really keen to live there. Getting an extra passport is easy, you just pay and give a reason such as traveling to countries that are incompatiable with each other, ie Israel/Arab countries. chrisc4 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/5/2009 8:31:56 AM   Ben I am from the UK,but been living in Ukraine for the last 5 years Pitter,yes its a bribe, he wont be illgal as he has the stamp to show he left and re entre the country, apart from Odessa and Kiev, the police dont nornally stop you and ask for your documents, unless you drive a car ! then you get stopped almost every week !!! bigest problem my friend had was he had UK regestard car here and that had to cross the boarder every 2 months chrisc4 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/5/2009 8:48:38 AM   They check the passports more on the land boards, and most of the time they are only intreted in what they can get for themselfs (just like most of the past and present goverment ) kiev airport is so busy these days they have relaxed the check in recent years, I mainly fly into Simferopol,and they are a real pain there ,they scan every bag that you bring in, they dont like you bring food product in, I once came by ferry from Istanbul and the they was much more relaxed never looked at anything, If you want a second UK passport,just say you have lost your old one and they send you a replacment, peteb Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/5/2009 12:32:27 PM   now ukraine is part of WTO, you can stay here for 180 days in a calender year with no real problems. but you must register before your first 90 days is up. then, at least 3 days before the 180 days is up, you need to register with the police. after this just register every 90 days. if you are living with your girl, for example, she can state that you live with her and you will not be a burden, etc, on the ukraine economy. but you still need to register every 90 days. registering you address can be a problem, since most landlords here don't pay taxes and don't want you 'offically' living there. we have a contract for this place (kyiv) but it won't count legally. at least that is a summary of the information i have been able to cobble together so far! if you don't register every 90 days you will be fined (offically) 200grv, but in reality it's more like 500 and i heard of 1 person being fined over 800. still not a lot of money though. poland seems to be the most popular place for border hopping instead of registering. /pete Pitter Pen Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/5/2009 1:30:35 PM   Chrisc4, you cannot just say you lost the passport. Well, you do can, but you will need to correct all your documents, all registers, etc. And all services like police etc will get the info that you lost your passport and now have a new one. Police may check you all the time as anyone else. Also you will need to register yourself at you permanent/temporary place of living. JinUK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2009 5:29:16 AM   Thanks for the replies, still confused though. I don't want to get involved in bribes etc as I don't want anything to compromised and get banned altogether. Pitter, you mentioned the Va visa, I won't have a job or much chance of getting one so i doubt I would be eligible. Where do I find about the ve visa? I have an address where I would be living in Ukraine if that is what is required. Is there a good website that explains each visa in detail? Do I need to go to the Embassy in London in person or can it be done by mail? PeteB, are you saying you do not need any special visa and do not have to home after 90 days and can just register with police after your passport has beeen stamped in the normal way after arriving in Ukraine. Thanks J JinUK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2009 6:27:40 AM   I pulled this from www.ukraine.com. This is what PeteB was alluding to. Non-residents who enter the country on a visa may stay for a period not longer than 90 continuous days from the date of their passport control stamp. Individuals entering Ukraine by means of the simplified or visa-free arrangement may stay for a period of 90 cumulative days within any 180 day period. Citizens of WTO member countries may stay in Ukraine for a period of 180 cumulative days during a one year period. Those who plan to stay beyond these periods may register with the Department of Citizenship, Immigration and Registration to do so. Should travelers stay longer than their stipulated days without registration, they would face a fine. It is recommended to register at least three days prior to passport entry stamp expiration. Relevant from May 2008 I take that to mean I can stay for 180 cumulative days as long as I register with the relevant department, and can then stay another 180. Pitter Pen Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/9/2009 4:27:55 AM   JinUK, go to the Embassy in person (or call them), this is not a must but you will find out everything in what you are unsure. As a citizen of the UK you can enter Ukraine without any visa but the term of living in Ukraine in this case will be less than 90 days. If you want to stay for a longer term, VE visa is more appropriate for you as i understand. Remember also that if you do not want to break any law, then a person who came into a new district has to register her place of residence within 7 days. I do not know your purpose but I think it is better for just come into Ukraine without any visa. Rent an apartment here, have some live and if you still want to stay here, then come back to the UK and get the visa. What particular issue still confuses you? JinUK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/9/2009 7:38:30 AM   Thnaks for the reply Pitter. The reason for me to wanting to live there, is to live with a woman I have known for 2 years and visited 8 times now. I have stayed at her apartment a few times so I would have somewhere to live. I don't want to go there with just a 90 day visa as I think I need at least 12 months to make sure I can settle. Maybe I am just being too cautious. Things can change once you start living with someone as a lot of these posts suggest. After 12 months we would probably get married. I am confused by the whole process to be honest.There actually seems to be too many options all with various caveats. Basically I want the best visa for someone who is effectively retiring, and as I won't be earning I don't want to pay tax. You mentioned the VE visa in an earlier post but said I probably would not meet all the requirements yet. I think that would be the best one to pursue at this stage. I need to check what the requirements are. I assume I must contact London to make enquiries. Thanks J J Pitter Pen Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/10/2009 4:46:23 AM   JinUK, the VE visa is an immigration visa. To obtain the VE visa you need to obtain an immigration permit. Below you can read all requirements for obtaining such a permit. An immigration permit is granted within the immigration quota. The immigration quota is determined by the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine for each category of immigrants: 1) scientists and cultural workers whose immigration corresponds to the Ukrainian interests; 2) highly experienced and skilled workers and specialists who are in acute lack for the Ukrainian economy; 3) persons who invested into the Ukrainian economy not less than 100 000 USD and registered their investment; 4) persons who are direct brother or sister, grandfather or grandmother, grandson or granddaughter of Ukrainian citizens; 5) persons who were citizens of Ukraine in the past; 6) an immigrant's parents, husband or wife and his/her infant children; 7) refugees who have been living permanently in Ukraine for more than 3 years upon the date of obtaining of the status of refugee, and also their parents, husband or wife and his/her infant children who live with them. An immigration permit may be granted out of the quota: 1) to one of the spouse if he/she is married to a citizen of Ukraine for more than 2 years; to children or parents of citizens of Ukraine; 2) to persons who are guardians or trustees of citizens of Ukraine or are under guardianship or trusteeship of Ukrainian citizens; 3) to persons who has a right on acquisition of citizenship of Ukraine based on territorial origin; 4) to persons whose immigration is in the interests of Ukraine; 5) to foreigners or stateless citizens who have Ukrainian origin or Ukrainian ethnic origin. You do not need a VP (Ï-1) visa as you may enter into Ukraine on the same term (90 days) without any visa. A VA (²Ì-1) visa gives you a right to stay in Ukraine for one year and may be prolonged, but you do not want to be employed. However "to be employed" officially does not obligatorily mean "to work" in fact, so you may contemplate this. A VE (²Ì-2) visa… well… I think now you see that you cannot obtain it now. Though maybe you are eligible to the VE (I do not know). I guess you should not have any question now, but if you do have you may ask:) peteb Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/10/2009 8:45:17 PM   jin: this subject has been discusses a lot on expatua.com, that's where my info came from. i think you will still have to register every 90 days, even if you did have some kind of long term multi-entry visa. easy for me as i am in kiev i guess. does she own her own house/flat? if she does then at least you won't have problems registering there. /pete Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Best Visa for to get for living long term in Ukraine (Uk based @ the moment)
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