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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > what do I do now?? Author Post nick40 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/17/2009 6:16:16 PM   Hi Guys I have been registered on Anastasia for about six months. Over that time, I now have an inbox of 3215, to which I have replied to seven. I have sent a few letters to a lady by the name of Olya from Kharkov. She has now asked me to visit her this spring or early summer, and I have to say that on the face of it, she seems really nice. But her English is "beginner", and my Russian/Ukranian is non-existant. She seems genuine, but I have absolutely no experience in all this, as I said I have replied to only a few other ladies, and stopped after a letter or two cause they didn't sound right for me. (most were about 20-23 and models) So I would really appreciate your advice on where I go from here, and if you think she is a scammer, how do I tell and what should I do?? If she is, what is in it for her to ask me over. PS, I live in Australia Thanks guys in advance nick40 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/17/2009 7:28:56 PM   PS her name is olya, ID 1085008 Adman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/17/2009 9:10:15 PM   Hi Nick A good start would be to get her phone number and email address. Gettings these contact details does mean is or isnt a scammer. If she wants you to visit her then there is no reason she would not give them to you. If she wont give them to you you are wasting your time and money. nick40 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/17/2009 9:51:54 PM   Thanks Adman But if she doesn't have a mobile and no English anyway, does it matter. Also, if I ask for an e-mail address, won't Anastasia block that?? I am sure you have plenty of experience, but I would love to know what is in it for her for me to go over there and visit. Her name is Olga ID 10085008 ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/17/2009 10:04:31 PM   Nick, get ready to get scammed. If you're afraid to get scammed, then you will not get through this. It is trial and error. Read as much as you can from this forum. I like Kirkland's first post in "End of an Era". In it, he says to read between the lines and after you thought you've done everything right, you still don't know if you got scammed. Learn Russian. There is a thread on the best ways to learn. gecko Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/17/2009 10:27:49 PM   there is no way to know. but by not selecting the young model types you have already decreased your chances. ask yourself, is she learning english on her own? if she is not, if she claims she is too busy or does not have any money, then she is probably not sincere. by the way, when you visit, you will need apartment and translating services right? so the translator who has been doing all your emails will probably do that for you. and if you do not accept this then it will look like you don't trust her right? so, you hold no cards. if your not able to contact her independently via email or phone, and if you are not able to have dialogue at even a childs level, then ukraine is an awfully long way to go for an awkward first date. sincere women will want to contact you directly and generally move away from the agency as quickly as possible. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/17/2009 11:32:55 PM   Adman...have you ever used anastasia before??? You cannot get contact info in letters. Does this mean your advice would be to go to another site? I have been with anastasia for over a year now and try to use it only as a vehicle, one of several to meet girls. I have met a handful over time. Not as many say that girls from anastasia never meet you. I plan my visits on MY schedule and try to write girls a few months before visiting an area.....trying to keep endless letters to a minumum. There are ways to get contact info, one is flower delivery or a phone call, both through anastasia. I have found a company to deliver flowers to a girl and get her phone number. You can get a girls postal address in letters. I am one of the few that plans to meet number of girls on a trip......if the first girl does not work out. You do have a possible problem if girl does not speak english, it can get real expensive to have an interpreter tag along, also I don't like the idea of a girl asking me to visit her. Pitter Pen Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/18/2009 2:34:35 AM   A couple of weeks I was asked another guy from Australia to find out info about his lady (also from Kharkiv). I found a private detective for him who wanted 400 USD and another guy who had a special database and could find out one's real name, date of birth, address and place of employment for near 100 USD. So if you want I can give you their contacts or contact them in behalf of you. But you have been talking with her for not a long time so it is better just to find more info from her, keep talking with her, do not hurry. Also google something like "scam (her name)", there are good antiscam websites. Another option is to come to her and even though she is a scammer, just to have nice time in Ukraine (there is snow now here). So if you have unnecessary 2000 USD for tickets, then you are welcome :) Adman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/18/2009 2:36:48 AM   Beemer, I did use Anastasia few years ago, Like many guys it was the first Russia dating site I came across. It wouldnt be my top pick now though. My post was to suggest his only way forward from here is to get her contact details and ditch anastasia. Dunromin Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/18/2009 7:24:09 AM   Nick: What to do now? IMO, you make every reasonable effort to develop direct contact by phone, messenger or whatever and then you can move forward. If you can’t do that, forget it and move to another site because you will ultimately waste time, effort and money repeating the process over and over. thenorwegian Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/18/2009 10:34:00 AM   Why you not only ask for her address in your letter to her at Anastasia? Maybe you like to send her something - like postcards from your city or whatever. You will of course get her address if she is serious about you. Give her your address at same time. If you not get her address in the next letter - and she not say anything about it - maybe the agency/translator at Anastasia try to ignore it - often they do. So in next letter say you not get her address and that maybe she forget? And tell her you liked her but to continue a serious contact - you need her address. And tell that even you get her address you still want to continue write letters with her at the agency. If you not get it then - forget her. Then you send her a letter with all your contact information and ask her to send you a sms or postcard with her phone numbers or email if she have. I used Anastasia before and sometimes they are useful as translators. As you I get 20 introduction letters daily - but it is long time since I open any - when I already have my contacts. I ask every time for the address in first or second letter - if I not get it I have moved on. In last December I get a letter from a interesting woman in Kharkov - so I decide to open and answer. In her reply she say she would ask the agency to add her address with her letter. But it was no address there. Well I think about complaining - but did not bother and forget the hole thing. One week ago I again get a letter from this women - pretty nice doctor in Kharkov. I think what? - is it a sophisticated scam from the agency? I open her letter and she wonder why I not get back to her and how I was and so. Translated by the same translator. I write them and ask whats going on - and get this reply: "Please be informed that I have requested the lady's local agency to give the lady's address which she promised. By the way I would like you to know that the lady is not obliged to give her postal address when the correspondence is less than 5 letters from each side. So I would say the lady is rather interested in you if she wished to obtain contacts from the beginning. I would also like to inform you that we do not add credits back in such a situation. I would like to ask you for some patience and as soon as I get the lady's address I will let you know." It is okay - I get the address two days later - and everyone can make mistakes - so if the address and she is for real - it is okay from the Anastasia agency. If I bother to find out if she is real or not - I don't know. Maybe I send a post cart and wait for a response. leonfromkherson Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/18/2009 2:20:10 PM   anastasia posts ladies only with passports - they must be not scammer :) if you decided to visit a girl - ask her post address. Also ask anastasia about girls address - use method from thenorwegian. When you will call you girl using Anastasia call service - you can ask addres and phone/cell phone of your girl. Also ask anastasia about local agency who serviced your girl. Dont forget to agree with your girl dates of your arriving in her city. Dont make surprice for your girl - you will have bad surprice for you. And if you will decide to visist one girl only - try to visit more girl in that city. If you will not any chemistry with one girl - you will not have break heart and you will meet another girl. nick40 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/18/2009 7:35:32 PM   Thanks guys for the advice. I want to know........ by visiting her, what is in it for her??? why should she bother asking me over if she has no interest??? leonfromkherson Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/18/2009 8:20:56 PM   if you not sure you want to visit her - dont do it. You will waste your time, money and you will feel yourself very bad. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/18/2009 10:26:57 PM   Nick..... What do you think you might have that she might want? Or what do you want of her? ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/18/2009 10:46:01 PM   OK, Nick. I just looked her up. She's either a scammer or she wants a husband and someone who will be a father to her 8 year old boy. You are a candidate. If you ever do meet her, and she decides that you do not meet that criteria, she still might scam you. Of course, you might hit it off and live happily ever after. kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/20/2009 7:59:32 AM   hi ya Nick, you ask what's in it for her.. well a lot of things, someone interesting and different for her to meet in her land. maybe a possibility of a future with you. or a break from her boring life at your expense. Kharkov is a bit of a crap city, unless you like markets, I think they are the biggest over there.. never forget looking at a man there, on some steps last summer,, his foot was rotten, has to be dead now surely.. but it could be anything mate.. its only with a lot of time and putting yourself through this you will learn to see between the lines of these girls, not always. no one else can truly tell you otherwise.. there's a bit to learn about these women, much games are played with agencies and whom ever. the $ is a big motivation to this land and is whats against your search. you can throw the word trust out the window in that world, truly.. you are using Anastasia, it’s a lot of money spent to chat to a women for really what reason? you must be thinking of going over? for any other girls you may contact I would change from that site, swap to lucky lovers or something like that.. all I can say mate is if you think you like the idea of this type of adventure,, which it is,, get on a plane and have a look.. treat the trip as a holiday.. that in it self will give you the first steps of a better knowledge of this. personally I think you and that girl will not work, why I say this,, who ever married there first love from school.. do you get what I am saying, this whole thing is a bit of a learning curve, just like those school days.. I started this 3 years ago I think, its been a great ride and wouldn't change a thing, seen a land I only read about, met some beautiful women. can trust only two for the 4 months I've been there.. you don’t really need a hell of a lot of $ to do it, just plan ahead. by the why my Ukraine and Russian is also none existent other then thanks hello: ) I put these girls in two category's Nick, the ones that would meet me at the international airport away from their city, who I think are the more serious types. and the ones you meet in their own city, who really are not so serious of what's going on, if the later case, be sure to have many phone numbers.. if they hide anything, like phone, address's or make things difficult, later them. also strangely the ones that are overly keen to get you there are suspect as well, they are hungry for everything but not you : ) just common sense is the trick. but that’s me mate, good luck. shaz444 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/20/2009 10:22:58 PM   God this is GOOD advice. I am also planning to visit Kherson, but the girl I am corresponding with has given me her agency address in the 3rd email. Now I need to get her all addresses from her by having a video call. Is there a airport in Kherson sh she can come & pick me up? If not, what shall I ask her to do for me? Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/21/2009 3:20:26 AM   Kiwinorth , Spot on mate! kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/22/2009 9:11:16 AM   hi ya shaz,, well one could say to you, what do you need dune? look if i came to visit you, i speak Russian with very limited English (lets just say that). what would you do for me in this land you live in,, would i have to find my own accommodation? do i have to find my own way to you from some major airport, what or how do i get train tickets and so on.. remember i don't know nothing about your world, I have language barriers, I'm just some redneck Russian.. i know who visits me, i go out of my way for them, and usually my cost,,,, I travel 4 half hours by car to airport to pick them up, this is just normal for us.. its unacceptable having these people defend totally for themselves in my world, so why is it different for guys going to Ukraine or Russia to visit a so called friend? this in it self can be used to figure them out if they are worthy of your attention. basically go fishing in a sense,, act a little dumb on it. don't show them a totally independent person who can do this himself,, and see what she will do for you or how she helps you, how much she goes out of her way for you. why fly to her city, how about train from international airport with her, you get quality time with her straight away. tell her you need help for accommodation, ask how much apartment will cost with her influence.. hey if you are there for a reasonable period, see if she can rent apartment at Ukraine or Russian price not tourist price, and they can do this.. if they are very serious she will organize everything to their powers which is usually her personal time to help and maybe minimum dollars for you to rent. ask her exactly what she can do, you are lost in this world of hers.. this way if you were even about to get scammed for $ she will show herself possibly early in the piece, it will show if she can even be bothered. free dinners just are not worth that hassle: ) remember tell her the attention you need, its new to you, you don’t speak Russian.. maybe she will say yes i will pick you up at airport in car, i will organize taxi or friend, if this is all she can do for you" well straight away you are open to be scammed. very few girls use cars in this way, its all trains and buses so its possible you are about to start lining peoples pockets. most normal girls will bus or train to airport and then you guys can taxi or train from there to where ever without her having some dodgy third party influence.. basically if they cannot do small basic things of organizing themselves and small things for you they really are not seriously interested in you.. I haven't met one yet that works 7 days a week, they always have free days and enough moneys to get to a meeting at airport, its a good start.. and those translator devices are crap mate.. also meeting a person with very limited English puts you in a bad position straight away, I don’t like this idea at all. I have enjoyed human translators, one has become such a close friend, it's money well spent to fast track through certain things.. if you get your own translator, try been honest with her, ask her her thoughts of what this women is like.. actually this is something you can get her to organize the odd day hopefully for free if its really needed, all Ukraine's have English speaking friends. but do have a independent translator under your control for a period, you will learn things faster.. but as I've said before trust no one, until PROVEN different. for me,, what will she do for you, a person traveling from another world to her world,,, smile and eat with you,, that's not good enough for me.. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > what do I do now??
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