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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Listen Up - Read this !!!!!!!!!! Author Post Maxirat Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/9/2009 3:23:51 PM   Kherson - I hope you do not mind me starting a new topic on your Post. I think its the best post on this forum for many moons !!!! There are many good "women" on all sites. They are incredible women who make the best wives and mothers etc Talented – hard working loyal women – emphasis on the word “women” not girls !!!! """as Ukrainian who work in field of accomodation and transportation foreign visitors, I guess the problem is not in sites, problem in men heads. If you will read scam sites, you will see 80% of scam stories had such scenario - men coressponded with very young ladies. Last summer I accomodated one man (he looked like about 60 y.o.) His interpreter said me he told all women he is 45 y.o. he wanted to meet girl not older than 25 y.o. When interpreter adviced him to meet older women (about 45) he said he dont need her advices. another client, about 50 y.o asked me - what girl will meet him? I said, young girl - 20-25 y.o will meet him for money... women - 30-35 (divorced, with children) will meet him for making family and emigration (for happiness their children). women - 35-40 (who has adult children) can meet him for making their own family. After my words that man was very sad, he said me he dont need my advices. You asking What are the best sites for meeting real ladies? All sites have real ladies. Now all sites like anastasia-international.com (anastasiaweb.com) require from women their domestic passports, ( for women with children) children birth certificate and (for divorced women) document about divorcing. Young pretty girls receive tonns of letters from mature men every day. And mature women receive couple letters per month. then 1st category of men cry on scam sites """" Kirkland Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/9/2009 3:34:36 PM   Yes...women...that's what I've been trying to say all the time. myusername Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2009 4:41:03 AM   @Maxirat "Now all sites like anastasia-international.com (anastasiaweb.com) require from women their domestic passports, ( for women with children) children birth certificate and (for divorced women) document about divorcing. " How can you confirm this or is this hearsay? And even if they did do this (for real) does it really change a thing? Is there an actual storefront with the same portfolio that they display on the web? Are the girls accessible from this portfolio? I doubt these points but I am open to someone proving me wrong. For all those that have been scammed I think you are either stupid, hopeful, brainwashed, naive and any combo of the above. As I posted in another thread I am prepared to be "scammed" and so far I have no evidence that any of these girls have any intention of seeking anything other than money. Just because they live in a foreign country doesn't mean they are not humans. I don't really see anything that points to this industry being a nice way to go buy a prostitute under the ruse of having a "girlfriend." I realize a few of you have found your wives over there, and a few of you go on your sex tours and i think its great. But boy oh boy does it seem like a round about way of getting the job done. $10.00++ emails? Sending flowers in hopes that you can get a girls address and she might possible respond via standard post? This seems like an eternity of work and cash when why not just fly over and stay a few months? Western girls want the exact same thing (money) but can get away with it more directly than having to put themselves on a site pretending they want to marry for love to someone who they probably do not find attractive, doesn't speak the same language, and basically have not a single thing in common. Do you see any sites where western women do this? No, why? Because it is largely a scam and in the US the regulatory agencies would have these agencies shut down for fraud. Remember, girls are girls no matter where they live. I've never been to Ukraine so I could be completely wrong, but I've been to many many places and I've never seen anything that indicates otherwise. pika Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2009 8:40:25 AM   You're probably right, many men are looking for unrealistically young girls, but I can say that, in my case (I am 43), I have been contacted by 18-23 y.o... countless times. 18 is honestly too young, but 23 ... why not ? At least, that's what you think when you receive such letter. But it's what they say that gets to your head, like 'Ukrainian men' are spoiled, they have no money, they drink too much, they are too many women alone etc After a while, after having exchanged letters that make sense, you feel a connection and it is nothing more than human to want to meet the other person. But the reality is that the young girls are surely the most beautiful ones, and THEY have no problem finding a boyfriend, it's all a lie to make money. I spent two weeks in Ukraine recently, mostly Nikolaev and Odessa, and it is always the same pattern. The girls that had invited me never showed up ... her mom was sick, she was busy, she tried to find my apartment but never found it bla bla It was like writing to a ghost, a very in love ghost, that also not forgets to ask for flowers, borrow money for 'her university or she will be thrown out' ... but does never find one hour in one whole week to see you ... My point is this : she let me do all the traveling from Europe for nothing ... she let me spent the travel money shamelessly just to put me in a situation where I would be exposed to the generalized scamming that goes around in Nikolaev. I mean, as tourists, we always expect to pay more, but there, it is beyond belief : people are rude, unfriendly, taxi drivers try to charge you 10 times the regular price shamelessly, women let you come and not see you, they want presents, borrow money etc Now, you could think it was one exception, I had bad luck, but, in the week that I was there, I tried to meet other women from natashaclub.com, at least to see someone and something. I could meet some, but it was unfortunately the same pattern : they say they speak english but they come with their translator (10-20$ per hour), they want to go to the restaurant (and, believe it or not, they even order deserts to bring home ... as I said, they have no shame, no respect), they try to borrom money from you, they come with their sister or a friend so they can also enjoy the dinner, or a drink. Finally, the hotels and accomodation agencies, big RIP OFF, I mean 50-100$ per night ... I mean those prices are 'ok' in western countries but over there, the cost of living is at least 10 times lower. Some people live in Kiev with only 200 $ per month ... Private landlords have flats that they rent at an incredibly high price, just because we can afford it. And to top if off, they even have you pay in dollars, which translates in an increasingly high price in uah, although apartments are not imported goods. This just shows that they pull every trick to scam tourists, and I have never seen such a thing in all the other countries I have visited. In the end, I had a conversation with an american who gives english lessons there, and he told me the whole truth. As I said, it is a giant, organized scam : local agencies hire young women (there are ads in local newspapers) to write letters and show their body parts on webcam, so it is their JOB, everything they do, they get paid for, the flowers people have delivered to them are plastic flowers, they take a picture, send it to you, and split the money, all of them have boyfriends or husbands, so they do not care at all about us, we are just milk caws to them. He even told me that he could not speak too much about that because the local mafia would get to him. I understand that, it's probably Ukraine's best business after all ... Now, there are some serious girls, really looking for someone, but it's like the lottery, sometimes someone wins, but everybody plans and pays every week. And scammers just take advantage of all the players ... It all comes down to this : young and beautiful girls, like everywhere, can have it all, and there is no reason why they would choose an older man, who does not speak their language, leave their family etc when they can have a good man in their hometown. Maybe they change their minds when they get older and have been mistreated or are fed up of seeing nice places in the world on TV and never see them for real, but, come on, 18-25 years old in all countries just like to go around with their friends or boyfriend, nothing will ever change that. They don't dream about leaving their family with someone who is 30 years older ... I learned it the hard way, and I can tell you that I look like I am 35, but still, I was treated like a stupid tourist. I should have been more clever and known that dreams like that are movies. And don't believe the agencies, Natashaclub assured me that 'they have never heard about such things', 'that they will take the necessary steps', 'that they will ask the girl why she did not show up' ... I mean, their answers are so unreal that it is just a sign that they belong to the scam, they actually are the starting point and the ones who make the most money from it. I hope my testimony will make men think twice before going to such website. Avoid Ukraine at all cost ! beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2009 7:42:18 PM   Pika, your problem is that you thought you can get a young girl. There are many reasons for why your trip turned out this way, it has more to do with YOU than the sites. YOU picked the girls to write to, you let their words go to your head, you spent the money for your trip, you gave girls money for their needs. Nobody put a gun to your head. It is just a good learning experience. I bet the girls you wrote to were stunning young 22-23 years olds. there are scams everywhere but the guys that do their homework and are realistic, don't go through what you went through. I am sure if you had gone to visit a women over 35, your chances would have been better. You sound like a spurnned man I don't have problems meeting with girls, and they are young mid 20's, just haven't found what I am looking for yet.......... close though, very close. pika Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/11/2009 5:02:48 AM   beemer, you are right, I learned about myself just as much as I learned about Ukraine, that's how I really see it. I tole my friends 'sometimes you go to a country looking for someone, and all you find is yourself' ... that was exactly my case. Yes, words get to the head, especially from a good looking 22 year old. My last girlfriend here in my country was a very good looking 29 yo, so I do not believe that the age was the main problem (I should have done my homework better). But why then do you say that you are meeting mid 20's, since it is supposedly not a good idea ??? beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/11/2009 10:51:50 AM   "But why then do you say that you are meeting mid 20's, since it is supposedly not a good idea ??? Good question, Pika. When you know yourself and know what you like AND have the interests and personality to be able to have a meaningful relationship with a younger girl then it is possible, not likely but possible. Chances are very high to get a girl that uses you if she is in her early 20's, so tread lightly, experience in what to look for can help me to find a girl that is serious and sincere. I visit on my own timing, do all my bookings and let girl/s know when I will be there. When meeting girl/s, if interpreter needed keep it to one or maybe two nights, meet girl in a cafe not to have dinner, and find out in first meeting if you are both interested and definately try to meet alone again. I am one of the few that believe in meeting multiple girls on visits, only one if things go great and best of all, visit same areas so I have friends there to fall back on or to fill in the cracks. Odessa and Chisinau have been my focus in past year. This is definately not for the meek....mistakes are always being made, just have to learn from them. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Listen Up - Read this !!!!!!!!!!
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