I know many women who would say publically no self respecting women would except money but at the same time privatively not object if it’s given as a gift with no string attached from someone who cares about her problems.
My wife is pretty hard and can take care of herself if she wanted but she will say to me I want you to treat me like a baby and just fix I my problems without me having to say anything. I'm certainly not saying send money to girls you haven't meet but in RB's case he’s not expecting anything and he’s making a judgement call and knows the risks.
To say you shouldn't spend a cent on a girl until she gets to your country and is not practical advice to newbie’s. Few guys would succeed under that rule. Not saying it doesn’t work but plenty of guys have sent money and are happily married.
I live over there and I can tell you if a guy is tight with money he’s considered unlikely to help in a crisis or that he only cares about himself. Plenty of guys over there who don't spend a cent their women.
Also Nas you say you call it how you see it and want to help new guys. I've read many posts from you advising guys don't chase after the young hotties but look for a women more your age. You have said nothing about Jetmba who is searching for girls 18-32 when he is 52. You agree with his approach, is 18 not too young? Why not call it how you see it? If it’s not hypocrisy it’s certainly being selective in your criticism. I’m sure if RB had a dating profile that said he was searching for girls as young 18 you would be the first on his case.
Mind you at least nasfan will argue the subject and not attack the person, I respect that. I agree with a number of things he says but not everything. At least he will try and prove you wrong and not just resort to insults on the whole.
Ben Jet and I have been on different sides of Issues. I don't advocate Romance Socials and I have made it clear when guys look at a 20 year age differnce they are looking for trouble or trying to pump up their own egos. Go back and read some old threads where Jet and I have debated.
As for money, send it for things you require them to do. Driving lessons, english lessons, but the relationship needs to be established to make her transition to the states viable. Here's one for RB to enjoy. Before my wife came to the states she needed dental work and she was concerned about the cost in the states. I was coming in a month to bring her to the states and she wanted to get the work done inexpensively. Well don't trust Ukrainian dentistry, they don't do root canals correctly and the bridge work was horrifying. Needless to say all the work she had done, had to be redone again. Neonred who is a good friend of mine and a dentist and married to a lady from Rostov told me they are 2 decades behind in dentistry. Careful on the cheap dentistry you will pay later.
RB's situation sends red flags up all over. One if one is on an international dating site don't you think they would think they need a passport. Two if this is a job requirement, who is going to pay for the visa's and work permits for this woman? That will be the next issue brought up. Usually an employer will defer those costs if the employee is that good. Too much there to make me question.
Another BS, Nasfan. It was already pointed out by Danny. It was pointed out when I first told of the passport. Second of all, I said I already knew the risks.
Ben, I have met her. I talk to her almost everyday for almost a year. I talk to her mother. I talk to her daughter. She waits for me to come back. I have retorted to insults. Whoever tells me she is not a self respecting woman is way out of line.
"You have said nothing about Jetmba who is searching for girls 18-32 when he is 52."
"Mind you at least nasfan will argue the subject and not attack the person, I respect that."
Ben:
You are a lying hypocrit.
You admitted previously that you did a Goodle search to try and find something embarrasing on me. In other words - you were looking for something to attack me personally with. You had no issue - you had a person (namely "jetmbs") and you deliberately looked for a subject from which you could attack me personally.
The DIRT that you dug up was of your own making. It was a profile on a website that I had not visted since November 27th 2007 - cerrtainly not an active search or one that I hace heard from during that time. Further - although the setting said 18 to 32 - that was because I hadn't placed a lower limit on my search - I had only placed an upper limit of 32. The 18 was the value that is entered by default.
I have never, in fact, looked for an 18 year old - despite your personal attack to make it look as if I have. The two women I have been involved with over the last two and 1/2 years are currently 29 years old - much closer to my stated upward limit of 32.
Ben - its a small forum. Liars and hypocrits are see for what they are. You cannot pretend it away.
I admit by the way - that without spellcheck I never would have made it through graduate school. I am a very poor speller (especially when I hurry) - but that is certainly better than being a liar or a hypocrite.
Corrected, my post should have said this:
"You have said nothing about Jetmba who is searching for girls 18-32 when he is 52."
"Mind you at least nasfan will argue the subject and not attack the person, I respect that."
Ben:
You are a lying hypocrite.
You admitted previously that you did a Google search to try and find something embarrassing on me. In other words - you were looking for something to attack me personally with. You had no issue - you had a person (namely "jetmba") and you deliberately looked for a subject from which you could attack me personally.
The DIRT that you dug up was of your own making. It was a profile on a website that I had not visited since November 27th 2007 - certainly not an active search or one that I have heard from during that time. Further - although the setting said 18 to 32 - that was because I hadn't placed a lower limit on my search - I had only placed an upper limit of 32. The 18 was the value that is entered by default.
I have never, in fact, looked for an 18 year old - despite your personal attack to make it look as if I have. The two women I have been involved with over the last two and 1/2 years are currently 29 years old - much closer to my stated upward limit of 32.
Ben - its a small forum. Liars and hypocrites are see for what they are. You cannot pretend it away.
Jetmba
Like anyone, if someone attacks or insults me, such as name calling like you calling me a geek recently or saying all guys from my county are whackjobs or whatever you did then gloves are off and you are a fair target. If you're prepared to dish it out you have to accept something in return with interest. What do you expect me to do?
I don't deny and never have that I insulted you or didn't look up your profile to embarrass you. Like you said I admitted it at the time. But I never scope to personal insults first. I don't mind banter, I don't have a problem with someone poking fun at me as long as it’s not to insult, infact me and my friend always do this. I gave you a chance to take back what you said at the time but you were so sure you knew NZ guys even though you had only meet one girl (30 years ago) from my country and had never actually been there. It wasn't light hearted banter it was insulting. From then on you have had digs at me when you can and resort to insults.
So exactly what have I lied about? Hypocrit? maybe it depends on what mood I am in when I post, and I actually EVER said I don't attack people, I just said I respect nas as he will agrue the subject.
"I gave you a chance to take back what you said at the time but you were so sure you knew NZ guys even though you had only meet one girl (30 years ago) from my country and had never actually been there. It wasn't light hearted banter it was insulting. "
Ben:
Put up or shut up. FIND this horrible insult that I dealt to your country supposedly years ago - that you have been covertly seething over ever since. Find these grievace insults so that others may have a fair chance to judge for ehich you have been harboring a grudge for years. Let the forum community judge and lets see what was said that was so bad.
Certainly you must recall what it is or where it is. Bring it up (if you can stand the pain of seeing it again) and let us all see what you pretend was so bad that it tore you apart inside.
Go ahead. We'll wait.
"Hypocrit? maybe it depends on what mood I am in when I post, and I actually EVER said I don't attack people, I just said I respect nas as he will agrue the subject. "
So you admit you MAKE personal attacks (depending on your mood) but don't respect people who make personal attacks - so you clearly don't respect yourself. And yet you still grieve because I supposedly don't respect your country?
Ben - seriously - read your post again. There is a lot of paranoia, irrationality and possibly some bipolar issues shown here.
Are you using this forum for therapy? Maybe you should see a professional?
Um yes? didn't I just say exactly that above? Its not only a spell checker you need but a reading comprehension checker. By saying I respect people who don't attack the subject doesn....ah f**k it. Whats the point in trying to explain something to you. I stand by my comments above.
I don't need to search the forum and dig out the conversation. Its there for anyone to search and read and lets be honest no one cares. I'm just telling you that when you attack me I give it back. Understand?
No RB, it's you who is out of line. Using this forum for a crying towel and the hypocrisy you spew here. You want to hear stories, but ignore the facts. Just do a search on passport for work scams. They are there. Second you want to put words in my mouth fine. I know without a doubt you haven't spent much time in Ukraine. Nor understand it's culture at all. Nor understand the women who bust their ass each day working for a pittance who are educated and do not ask for a handout. Plenty of Single mothers over there and I know two who wouldn't do such a thing.
First of all, I am not crying. The only reason this is being discussed is your bringing it up. What are you doing in this forum? Aren't you getting enough? Oh. You're not getting any at all. She doesn't exist. Don't take it out on us.
If the Fiance.com administrators removed Martin and a thing called jetmba, 95% of the fighting would be removed from the forum.
Jetmba is a classic example of a person who will be a sponsor every time he chases young women.
I hope the people in the future will see what jetmba does and learn to do the exact opposite.
Jetmba is a loser in every facet of life.
People needed to look at he's photo on he's luckylovers profile that he has taken himself to see that jetmba @ 52 y/o, will never get what he is chasing in 18-32 y/o women.
Even if the women are blind, they would still smell him ;)
Even if jetmba was gay, the situation would still be the same.
Most educated people in the world, stop, look and laugh at people like jetmba. When they hear jetmba say, " We're the sloth!, Period!, Been! You know the person is dysfunctional and in need of special care :)
Fiance.com team, it's time to remove them both to allow the forum to continue for what It's real purpose is for.
Would anyone else on here like to see this?
You say that you do not look for an 18 y/o but I just happened to stumble across this profile and I KNOW it to be you because it is your pic as you had in your avatar previously ..... so please cut the cr@p jetmba:
"I don't need to search the forum and dig out the conversation"
In other words its a strawman argument. I hurt your poor widdle feelings years ago and you can't get over it. And people in the forum would laugh if they saw how minor this years long grudge is really.
Martin you continue to show what a seriously disturbed person you are.
I am also surprised the forum moderators allow it, because it must be bad advertising for their site. I wouldnt be looking here for a guy if I was a woman.
Danny I forgot more about the FSU than you have ever learned. Expecially the part that the USSR was never a country. I know you have intellectual issues, so calling the USSR a country I will give you a pass on.
Flapping my trap? God talk about the pot calling the kettle black. At least I don't hide behind 20 different names here. As for being in the FSU longer than I have, maybe maybe not.
So if Ukraine and Russia are the same it means that you are looking as a wife buyer for a poverty stricken woman?? You know little of what my wife owns and what she did in Ukraine.
I would also lay a few quid on her in an english spelling test against you.
I'm still trying to understand how you can be on Elena's Models website when you condemned the guys here for doing the same thing? I'm sure you are on more sites than that. It just goes to show that you stories don't add up. You attacked others here for that and you are doing the same thing.
There is some nice laddies in Ukraine.But they dont seem to appreshee ate my interlectual abilities.I was surprised they speek Russian in Ukraine-I thort they would speek french or maybe spanish.
The ukraine women I did meet I think were impressssed by my clothes-I try to blend in with local peeple in ukraine-so I wear black pointy shoes with my tartan kilt,pink t shirt,and cowboy hat.
I will report back soon on this forum