Im happy that you are happy Martin. Obviously you have quite a bit of money to blow and no one to blow it with. Hence, the wealthy man that looks like ass thinking he can buy women because he has a nice bank account.
Personally I dont give a damn. Take my advice or dont. It wont make a hill of beans to me either way. I have my woman and shes a damn good woman. The best. The only reason I popped on here was to help Julian and others like him who come afterwards. Obviously there are a lot of guys out there swinging completely in the dark and get a lot of bad advice from bad sources. There are tons of Russian dating sites that are intended to do nothing but mislead and siphon money from Westerners. Their women have no intention on leaving or having really anything to do with the guy but take money. Unfortunately they are there and a lot of guys will trust and believe out of desire to have that dream.
But enough. Take my advice, take some or none. Either way I wish you the best of everyone. I just hope that I dont log on 2 months from now and see more posts about someone paying for letters or paying a translator when he visits or sit next to two clueless guys on a plane being led around like a dog on a chain when I took the time to talk about it.
All I said was regarding your statement that 40% of pretty Ukrainian ladies are, or have been, prostitutes to be 'out of order' and you went off on one rambling about older men, younger women etc.
Now you've gone off on one again about me having money and no one to spend it on, that I'm a wealthy man with a nice bank account and I think I can buy women.
Who said all these things because it certainly wasn't me and what the phuck has these ramblings got to do with your '40%' claim?
I've never claimed to be wealthy, I have a good lady who I did not 'buy' and your suggestion, your claim, that there is a 4 in 10 chance that my wife, or any guy's Ukrainian wife, is, or has been, a prostitute just might cause offence.
Now, cut your ramblings, it's time for you to 'put up or shut up'. From where did you source this '40%' information or is it merely your personal opinion based on your trips to Kiev and/or Kharkov?
No rambling, no changing the subject, answer the question ndfb or lose all credibilty!
Ok 40% info can easily be gleaned from many posts off this board as well as other Ukrainian dating boards. I first read it here to be honest before my first visit. Then I went to Kiev. In Kiev, I was personally approached on the streets, in the clubs and at my hotel all in a three day span. I spoke to a guy from California who visits Kiev every two months because he has a friend who owns a business there and he confirms that it is quite, quite frequent. And it makes sense. Think about this. European society has never looked down on prostitution like American society does. How else can a beautiful woman earn more in one night than she does in a month if she isnt well educated or have a great job? Fact, gender protection for jobs doesnt exist in the Ukraine. Women are paid far less than men period.
Im not saying 40% are active prostitutes. I said that at some point, 40% have engaged in it, even if very temporary. I mean think about it, why not? Lets see, they can have sex for 1 hour and make $300 or work all month in a shitty job and earn the same. Why not use their assets? They honestly would be fools not to.
Honestly, who cares? Back in college I had sex with a few after drunken parties that I wish I had gotten paid for! It would have sure made it easier the next day!!!!
ndfb - Im wondering how many times you have been to the Ukraine. For all your certainty I dont give much weight to your advice. Firstly I much prefer Kiev and Odessa to any US city I have visited except San Fransisco which is outrageously expensive.
I am approaching 50. My now wife is 20. She is very good looking, Im overweight and not good looking. I found her on a small Russian language site. I am currently on my 19th visit to Kiev as my wife is still a student with one year to go on her dentistry degree.
It appears that you dont have much understanding of women here. They take pride in their appearance. If they have good looks they flaunt it. It is the custom here. If women in the west paid as much attention to their dress and makeup there would probably be less visits here. You may think they look like prostitutes I think they are stunning.
One thing that is certainly true here is that women have a more liberal sexual attitude. They are more relaxed about sex and more aggressive to chat up a man. Seems fine by me. You will never have the same opportunities in the west to date and bed beautiful women yet you seem to have disdain for one of the cheif qualities guys are going there. If you think the average western woman hasnt had sex with 30 or 40 men you are very naive.
There are many ways to meet women here with the lowest probability of success being marriage agencies. There are many versions of success of which marriage is just 1. I have seen a few approaches but it is very much a numbers game. People arent realistic in letter writing, they write what the other wants to hear not what is true. You have to go there. If you are going to go there whats the point on writing more than 3 -4 letters? You either hit it off or dont. If you dont you have to have backups. I would say probably 60% of women wont meet you when you get there, of that 30% wont like you or you wont like them. Of the 10% you may or may not get a long term relationship.
Its worth the effort for those who can put in the time and money, however the approach of trying to find a wife id bizzare, Its a nice place to visit, you can have a good time and if you find someone to have a long term relationship even better.
An individual, who has visited all of 2 cities in Ukraine, he probably isn't even European like some of us, makes an outrageous statement that 40% of 'pretties' are/have been prostitutes, when called to account for himself he cites he read it on websites, having already cited his vast experiences, well two experiences of Kiev and Kharkov actually, as his authority of such knowledge and because he's exposed as a 'waffler' he goes in to a sulk.
I wonder if his vast experiences of two cities in Ukraine taught him that also, that Ukrainian ladies like a grown man who sulks, who throws his toys out of his pram, as soon as another(s) may disagree with his 'waffle'?
To amend quote again:
ndfb you have zero clue what you are talking about. Have you actually been to Odessa, Nikopol, Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk, Berdansk, Zaporozhye, Tashkent, St Petersburg and Riga?
gentleman, that includes you martin and ndfb. lest we toil over our differences we shall acclaim no purposefull result of our rantings. let us not be misprudent in that which we attempt to attain. we should join in an amiable quest for the certain desires of our wanting. be brothers in arms. not to be thine own enemies within our ranks.
In other words. Knock it off. I came to this hoping to discover meaningful insight into something I have little knowledge of. And I am thankful of what you have provided. Insight, experience and anecdotal evidence of your experiences. Squabbling over some differences of opinion - truth or not - does little to support the meaning of this whole forum. At least for me.
I recommend a caged death match. But do it somewhere else. Let me know when you set it up. I'll be sure to attend. Please guys, I don't know the history or the whys behind it. Although it is entertaining, it detracts from those of us who are trying to gain knowledge. But I must say I do enjoy it none-the-less.
J35