Just had a look at the site. It's a *matchmaker* agency. Looks better than the *romance tour* type agency and would appear to suit one who is very serious about marrying a girl from Kiev.
Letter writing seems pricey, but not when you consider you probably will not write many letters. KC charges $12 per relatively *short* letter each way--$24 send/receive. Interesting is they offer a *matchmaker* deal for about $450 where they arrange for you to meet 5 gals in Kiev. To get to the 5 gals you choose lists of 10 from their available pool and they contact them with your profile/photos until they come up with 5 that will definitely meet you. Of course you also have to pay for travel and room (rooms they can arrange) and everyday expenses.
Once you know who the 5 gals are, you can write to them so you will be fairly acquainted upon your arrival in Kiev.
Seems a much better, focused approach to finding *the one* than going to several socials hoping to find someone among hundreds of gals you know nothing about, or writing endlessly to girls that may or may not exist.
So am I to understand that I can not get an email address or other contact information for a woman on this site? It seems fishy. It is also interesting that I have heard no mention of KC anywhere. And are there really that many women in Kiev - do they have the market cornered? It is an interesting way they present themselves. American owned and managed. They seem to offer a wide array of services. Much like a full service tour site. I am new to this idea. They seem sincere (all grifters are) yet I am skeptical in that they promise to introduce you to five women from Kiev. As far as I can tell, and from everything I read on this forum, most all seem to be scams. And of course this one in particular claims to be "scam free". Yet after browsing some of the photos, I think I recognize a few from my limited search on the "known scammers" lists that seem to be everywhere.
Just curious. It seem too good to be true - and of course that is the old saying, "If it seems too good to be true than it probably is."
Thanks for your input. J35
What I mean...is if you go to this agency and want to meet one of the girls, it will cost you $40 for each meeting they set up. What got me, is they call each girl you want to meet and wihtin 10-15 minutes you have your dates.......try calling a girl you know in kiev and get a date that fast!!!!!! I met 2 girls, the blond wasn't interested to meet agin and the brunette I saw for next 5 days, she told me that when we first met she thought it was only for that night, apparently my charm and wit impressed her. I still think those girls in this agency are mainly to date guys looking for a night out while in kiev.+
Interdating site has similar type arrangement setting up meetings for you with girls interested in you at $200-$500 but I think amount of girls is not limited to 5 and from pics there, girls are very nice looking!!!! They do claim to be able to provide contact details for girls, even if you just deliver flowers to girl for $99 but girl may or may not be interested in you, that is the catch.
beemer...So what do you think? Better or worse than *Romance Tours* where you attend several pot-luck socials? Or you haven't tried both? What about compared to PPL? If the girls in KC, or similar sites, are just to date guys looking for a night out, why not just got to an *Escort* agency where fees are much less?
(If the girls in KC, or similar sites, are just to date guys looking for a night out, why not just got to an *Escort* agency where fees are much less?)
HH.........I have never been to a social, it really doesn't appeal to me. I just prefer to find a girl and write to her since I am very good in communicating this way. To me if you are young and good looking and outgoing maybe social is better. The key is to be able to adapt as you learn this process on your journey. I have made changes from when I started 3 years ago. Concentrate on an area, find girls and write couple months before coming and meet, which is most important thing( advantage socials), this is only way to know if there is chemistry and a good first step of many to come.
I do not mind PPL's, just don't write for long and try to get contact info while writing. Also all sites will allow you to give a girl your/a ukrainian phone number. I have had just as good luck if not better with anastasia as opposed to fiance....it is probably more the girls I find than any agency or site.
Girls interested only to date guys are everywhere, just like girl that will scam you, girls that use guys as well as goldiggers....to me they are all different.
Many guys here are looking for a partner for possible marriage so 'escort' girls are not really a topic here.
Martin, Beemer, you seem to know much about this subject. For one who is testing the waters I felt it to be a bad idea just running over there and getting lost in the fray so to speak. Your insight has been very helpful. And until I learn russian and can speak without getting into trouble I thought using an agency like one of these would be a safe way to test the waters. Then after I familiarize myself with the area, head back in a month or so.
I suggest that you communicate, firstly emails then telephone, with some ladies directly, there are a number of websites out there where ladies post independently and not via agencies.
From emails etc. you should be able to detect if the lady(s) is genuine, copy & paste emails on to a Word document to display punctuation errors to establish if any copying & pasting went in to the letters, ask 2 questions in each early letter and if she fails to answer 75% then she is not reading your letters before replying (too busy writing to a number of men) and if she merely sends letters talking about the weather, her work, what she did today, the sort of thing where the same letter can be sent to umpteen men, then move on.
Also Google her name, address, telephone number, any details you have on her before taking it further.
And once, only once, you have established something worth investigating further then make your travel plans.
Your better off using direct contact sites like Elenas models/club10/city-of-brides/bride.ru etc as all the women speak english. Really though there actually a lot to be said for "running over there and getting lost in the fray", just stick to major city that is relatively foreigner friendly like kiev/odessa/moscow/st-petersburg, use the internet to book everything plus most of here can give you advice on where to stay and what to do in those cities.
bride.ru has been a known scam for years, google will reveal however the bride.ru homepage is a dead giveaway, it says '700 beautiful Russian brides a week', they are predicting that, week in, week out, 700 new ladies will join, not just new ladies but beautiful new ladies, each week, what they probably mean is that they will poach 700 profiles each week from other sites :)
As for City of Brides, well that's agency affilates and reknowned for scams!
Gents, All good advice.
devil, I am going to get lost in the fray. I have a few very interesting prospects. One I think we agree to be friends(?) When I told her I did not want to have children she politely excused herself as someone I wanted to meet. Give her credit! But I wouldn't mind spending an afternoon with her just to get a flavor of the mindset of the local women. Call it what you want. I call it a free lesson in Ukrainian women. Everyone can say what they want. I actually asked her if she wouldn't mind showing me around even if we were not 'hooking up'. Could be a plus. She is a doll! Very sharp mind. There is a lady I have been corresponding with for over a month. She is travelling by her own means - I looked it up, 24 hours by train - to meet me in Kiev. I have to put aside at least three/four days for her. I have already committed to meet the five from KC. But I did this wisely. I picked a couple I knew had no intention of wanting to be with me. A couple hours of my time. There are a couple from another space that are much more appealing and we will set up our own "dates". Think of it as a fact finding mission. And gentlemen, I have no intentions of spending a wad of money on these women. I will treat them as any other date I would have here. If something clicks, good. I need not say anymore on the subject of getting scammed. And of course I will keep a journal and be happy to share my experience honestly. The good, the bad and the ugly.
Your attitude going in ("think of it as a fact finding mission") will serve you well. It is best to look at things realistically (I keep trying, but I'm not always successful).
I'm quite impressed that a gal is making a long train trip, in order to meet you. I would be really flattered if someone did such a thing to see me!
I expect you'll have a lot of good experiences, and a lot of educational ones, and even a few that can be both ;) If this will be your first trip to the Russian-speaking world, it is quite an experience. I've had some very happy moments there, and some really dark moments too, but I always have a special feeling to be there.
You probably already know this, but the abundance of beautiful women in Kyiv is really impressive. But what impresses me even more, is how many of the women are highly educated, and really accomplished. And how many can speak English well... I've been studying Russian for 4 years now, and I've met many women (and even spoken with teenagers) whose command of English is very strong (a lot better than my Russian!). And many women have a poise, and air of dignity about them, that I have not seen even once in my life in America.
Wherever you go, people are people. Some women are coarse and poorly educated, and unfortunately, many who participate in dating agencies or websites have rotten intentions (if the people making the profiles are even women!). But if you stick to the better websites (I think elenasmodels is the best-policed), you can be sure that the majority want more than anything else to be loved, well-treated, and have a good family life.
I wish you well - have you set a date yet for your travel? And I very much look forward, to reading about your experiences.
yes durak, I am leaving in about a month. It's only for 12 days but I'll at least get my feet wet. As I said, I have no delusions so I will not be let down. Yes, a lady is travelling all that way to meet me. Unfortunately a lady from Minsk cannot get away from her job to meet me. And she expressed extreme disappointment that she couldn't. But it is too short notice for me to include Belarus in my trip. perhaps next time. She is a true sweetheart. I have no doubts about her sincerety - of course we have heard this before guys so don't jump on me. I have been talking to her on the phone and skype often. Add the web cam to that. But I will not meet her this trip. The rest will be a learning experience. And maybe I can convince my 'friend' to adopt a child rather than ruining her fantastic body. I do promise to tell all with honesty and humility. Hopefully not so much humility but, there is a sucker born every day. Hopefully from what I have read, and from much insight of those here I am well enough armed to not make a total fool of myself. we shall see.
ndfb seems to think that women who have a healthly lifestyle, eat healthy, are attractive and dress attractively are prostitutes.
Yes I am sure there are some that are only looking for a good time from some foreigner but I don't think you are giving them enough credt. And from your travels there you got this impression, it may be that that was what you were looking for and 40% of the time you found it.
I hope you treat and respect your future bride better. Don't mean to pick a fight but those comments were degrading. Most of your other comments though are spot on. I was in Kiev in February meeting up with my Alla (not Ukrainian) but can concur to the UA women.
I'm not sure how my reply to another thread wound up on this topic.
Anyway, yes Kiev Connections is a legit organization. I got to meet Brett and his lovely wife Alla during my recent stay in Kiev in February. I only rented an apartment from him but I can vouch for his service and his staff. Very friendly folks and the women are very real.
Also some of you may be confused about their letter service. You do not need to use this service. You can obtain the email or address of the ladies yourself and write to them on your own. His letter service will take your email and photos, translate it into Ukrainian language including altering the sentences so they make sense, and then deliver that directly to the ladies.
If you are OK with your Ukraine language or your lady speaks and writes English, then you do not need to do this.
Here is my 2 cents it seems to me just use what you are comfortable with. I know site's who charge a monthly fee similar to American matchmaking site's and some that charge per letter. I am not sure what works best but I do know I have met some interesting and quite friendly people, in my travels I have seen some things I could never see in any other place. the only advise I would give is enjoy what Ukraine has to offer and have a good time.