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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > For the married w/ FSU women: how much annual salary seem reasonable? Author Post DeepColor Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/5/2009 6:55:43 PM   This question is for the married men who have FSU wives. There is no exact answer of course, but what's your feeling/range of the annual salary (taking into the everyday expenses, and cost of living if you're inclined), to make the journey a success? Quotes in dollars is preferred but not necessary. Many thanks for the insights. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/6/2009 2:47:57 AM   DeepColor, I've read your question a few times and I can't figure out what you're asking? Whose salary, your or hers, why a salary to make the journey (one journey!) a success? Are you asking how much of a salary a guy needs to be earning to attract a lady and to maintain her thereafter? GeminiDreams Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/6/2009 8:24:44 AM   Well firstly starts with journies and time. It wont happen on 1 trip you need at least 3 months in place over 4 - 6 trips. Some may be successful sooner but dont count on it. Budget $20-40k on seach then $20 - 40k for wedding and taking her to your country. baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/6/2009 9:50:25 AM   Here's my numbers to bring my fiance and her 2 year old here: Internet for Email & Skype: $45 x 9 months = $405 Int'l Calling Card: $20 x 9 = $180 Text Messaging: $10 x 9 = $90 Gifts: $1000 Plane Tickets to visit her: $600 Apartment for visit: $1200 Expenses for visit: $1000 Ring & Jewelry: $1100 K-1 Petition Fee: $455 FedEx for her forms: $250 Meidical & Interview costs: $422 Tickets for them to here: $2000 Preschool 1st year: $9000 New Car for her: $10000 Decorate child's room: $1000 ESL course: $2000 Clothes: $2000 Cosmetics & other: $1000 Travel back to her country: $5000 Total: $38,702 Plus then you add in the cost to feed two more mouths (in my case). Only you know your own living situation and cost of living. So make a listing of your everyday expenses (everything) then add in for more food, clothes, travel, school, insurance, etc. and you will then have what you need for an annual income to support the new person or people in your life. DeepColor Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/7/2009 9:12:03 AM   Thanks guys for the helpful responses. The picture is getting clearer for me. Martin, yes, the best answer is the answer to your question: “Are you asking how much of a salary a guy needs to be earning to attract a lady and to maintain her thereafter?”, and Baron shed a lot of light on the question for me. Baron’s total quote of ~$38k seems to be near the high range, while bear’s quote of $5.6k seems to be on the low end, but both did not mention any ceremonies as Gemini mentioned. Which makes me think that for some of the girls, is exchanging vows in court enough? The general categories of cost I’m aware of so far are: Communications – use of introduction (marriage) agencies, calling cards, interpreters, etc. Transportation – plane, train (city to city), etc Lodging Meals and Incidentals – clothes and cosmetics can fit here Gifts – flowers for the most part to send the right message – gifts could be optional for others Immigration The Ceremonies - the wedding, rings, honeymoon, etc. and then, expenses for her to adjust to life in your native country, such as ESL classes for some, driving courses, etc. – organize it to Schooling or make your own category, such as The Adjustment Categorizing is helpful in the management of costs in general to my view; it helps in determining what expenses may have been overlooked, and how to get the costs down. Figuring this stuff out lets the man help her to understand what to expect as well. I did some research on this site regarding immigration issues and originally found this site through google due to my choice of keywords, so it's not me that's getting all the help that's appreciated. =)) Regards, Paul baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/7/2009 1:23:09 PM   THE best site for immigation related stuff is Visa Journey. devilmaycare Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/7/2009 1:59:05 PM   By far and away the biggest cost is the wasted trips to meet girls where it doesn't work out, for whatever reason, and there's no way you can quantify that in advance. _Bagira Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/7/2009 3:01:09 PM   woman poit of view: How much do you need to integrate her in American life? She do not to feel that her level of leving drop dramaticaly. To the poin then she will find job at least $20K? I think that at least $20K for the first year (car, food, community college). Do not waist time on ESL classes - it is easy to learn English through proffecionall classes. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/7/2009 3:11:54 PM   DeepColor, Well Baron555's 38k figure is, I presume, based on him hooking up with the first lady he met during that budget and whilst finding the right lady at first attempt is possible it is a rarity, it's comparible to suggesting that one marries their first ever girlfriend, their childhood sweetheart. But his $600 for travel is VERY low, I live in UK and a round trip to a regional airport in Ukraine is circa $600 thus, I can only presume, that Baron555 is, what is known as, a 'one trip wonder' whereas he has travelled to her once, known her only for a minimal time and is already committing to marriage and a bucket load of other expenses, I can speak from experience and definitely warn against trying the 'one trip wonder' route. But with regards to what salary one needs to be earning to live happily ever after really depends upon the lady, if one is seeking a less than beautiful lady similar to their own age then it would be much the same, aside of return travels to her country and perhaps some financial support for her parents, to marrying a lady from one's own domicile but if one is seeking a 'glamour puss' perhaps 20 years younger than oneself then one is likely to need a bl00dy good bank balance! How does end up with a million dollars out of such a process? One starts with ten million dollars! GeminiDreams Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/7/2009 3:22:18 PM   Well my wedding cost me $20,000 in kiev. Of course I paid most of the expenses and there were many weddings on that day which pushed a few costs up such as the limo cost was double. I flew my three kids from Australia and their accommodation for a week. flew my sister from Canada (freqent flyer points) and her accomodation for 5 days. My employer paid for the honeymoon fares in lieu of me travelling economy rather than business. Spent a week in Seychelles, 4 days in Paris and a week in Africa (my workplace unfortunately). Pretty enjoyable I must say. The point being is I didnt overly splurge and this is a small part of the exercise. Now of couse danny has a yacht so his travel and accommodation expenses are cheap. However I can tell you there is an expectation that the wedding and honeymoon are of fairytale proportions to go with the fairytale life with the foreign guy. If you cant sustain the fairytale with a reasonable income then any success is temporary. Read the other topics of women who immediately go in search of the weathy guy once they have citizenship. Is it scamming or is it the fairytale life turning to suburban drudgery. baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/7/2009 4:07:32 PM   Martin, I'll add more info to your comments on my personal experience: "based on him hooking up with the first lady he met" I corresponded extensively with many women, using combinations of emails, photos, text msg, and Skype, for at least two months prior to deciding on "the" woman. Our meeting was just between us and we both confirmed that we had an intense attraction and got engaged. I did not need to go there to meet women; I met them online and I corresponded with long letters that honestly told my story and asked and answered questions back and forth. Yes I did have some gold diggers and also one out and out scammer. But there were a handfull of very real women (no red flags at all) who were all viable "candidates" and I obviously was one of theirs also. (My expectations and age requirements were reasonable also.) "it's comparible to suggesting that one marries their first ever girlfriend, their childhood sweetheart." Yes rare but I am far from a child. Both of us have been married before so that experience allowed us to progress very rapidly in our courtship and relationship. No need to keep looking for "the perfect" woman when she shows up right away. (And everyone's definition of perfect is different.) "But his $600 for travel is VERY low," Actually it was $615, Delta round trip from Chicago to Kiev, connecing in JFK. Real cost back in Feb., 2009. "a 'one trip wonder'" Only need one trip to determine physical attraction and have proof of meeting for K-1 Visa. "whereas he has travelled to her once, known her only for a minimal time and is already committing to marriage and a bucket load of other expenses," Yes, don't need to keep shopping. I knew all about this lady and she about me prior to our physical meeting. That confirmed our attraction. "I can speak from experience and definitely warn against trying the 'one trip wonder' route." I think that this assumes you really do not know about the woman prior to you visiting. Many folks do not know how to correspond and exchange information, some are very shy and NEED to meet physically for many times prior to committing. Every case is unique; there is NO real one right answer. Yes you need to ensure everything is proper and you cross all your Ts. I do not worry about any negativity from anyone's comments on my situation; it is of no concern to me. Yes be cautious, I support that. Phil Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/7/2009 7:30:11 PM   Baron, I did not make my post to have a 'pop' at you but other more experienced readers will read in to your most recent post the same as I am. I have a good American friend, he met and married the first lady, things seem to have worked out for them, it's not impossible, but the odds are stacked against and for you to state that you corresponded EXTENSIVELY, for all of 2 months which is a 'bugger all' period, and you met 'them' online because that 8is impossible, a meeting can be only face to face. But you say you are both divorced thus you should know the mistakes, that neither of you are youngsters, so I hope things do work out for you but you are giving an impression to other readers that one trip is all that is required and that is a very dangerous impression to give. And yes, I did the 'one trip wonder' route once, I've never denied it, it was a frigging nightmare, a hostile environment in my own home, so much so that I had to send her packing after only a few weeks and all because she had put on an act, and I had fallen for her act, for the week or so we had occupied together previously. bowhunter Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/7/2009 8:02:32 PM   well one of the lady's I met on my first trip is the one I keep going back for. I have met other lady's and had a great time, I dont know if its because she is from a small city or just good luck but so far she seems to be just what I am looking for ( time will tell). I am going back for my 3rd trip I will see her and one other lady time permiting. I expect at least 2 years getting to know her before I make any decision. baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/7/2009 8:20:32 PM   Martin, don't worry, I didn't take your comments as an attack (even though reading through some posters here, it's amazing that the mods allow it). I do disagree with this statement: and you met 'them' online because that 8is impossible, a meeting can be only face to face. I will admit a true meeting is face to face, but I also do believe that you can learn all about a person through correspondence. Now for this to be true, both people have to be very honest and truthful in their motives. Alla and I are not finished, so I will let everyone how we will turn out. And thank you for your warm wishes. Sorry about your experience. Bowie: I also am totally against what you are planning to do (and nothing negative about you). If you are SERIOUS about getting to know about one woman, how CAN you also visit another. The first will know; women are like that. And yes take your time but is the first meets your standards, then why keep shopping? Again, nothing negative against you; we all have to do what we feel is right. I also hope we are all very honest with the women because if you are not, that is the type of women we may be attracting and therefore setting ourselves up for heartache. Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/7/2009 10:00:37 PM   Baron you did this, You only visited her once (600 airfare) and did not go to her interview and fly back with them. Dont forget the $1600 to adjust her and her daughters status from a k1 fiance to get a I-485 permanent resident status. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/7/2009 10:35:44 PM   It costs that much to adjust both of them, Mr. Land of Oz? Is that just USCIS fees, or does it include lawyer's fees? EG Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/8/2009 12:25:47 AM   "By far and away the biggest cost is the wasted trips to meet girls where it doesn't work out, for whatever reason, and there's no way you can quantify that in advance." Yes, 5 wasted trips under my belt and I am sure I have a few more before I find the right one. That's just life. This is an expansive and time consuming exercise - and Baron was extremely lucky that the women he met was the one for him. Good luck Baron. EG ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/8/2009 12:36:40 AM   Come on, EG. Weren't those trips fun? Were not those places you visited, and the people you met interesting? If you really want to marry an FSU, aren't those learning opportunities about their culture? I got scammed in one of my visit, but I'm sure it will be worth it, if my gf is anywhere near how she was when I saw her, and how she is on the phone. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/8/2009 3:22:16 AM   A trip should not be considered a waste but a 'learning experience'. It took me 5 years of trips before I found the lady but, as a single guy, I considered all the trips to be holidays and I had a pretty lady to accompany me on each of them. baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/8/2009 5:37:25 AM   Ozzie, read more thoroughly through the information I provided, OK? Baron you did this, You only visited her once (600 airfare) Correct. and did not go to her interview and fly back with them. We haven't gotten to the interview yet.....and I will not be allowed to be with her at the interview. I plan to meet them at the connecting airport, either JFK or ATL. Dont forget the $1600 to adjust her Actually it will be more like $2000, that amount is in the listing I provided. and her daughters Her young son actually. status from a k1 fiance to get a I-485 permanent resident status. 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