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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > how to dress and not stand out Author Post Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2009 7:55:39 AM   The time is drawing near. How should I dress in Kiev? I have seen that women take much pride in their appearance and dress. But of course this is from photos on the sites. I have seen some personal photos that indicate it is very much like western fashion. Yet I was also sent some pics that indicate they are in the american 70's. Very hard to tell. As for the weather this time of year, end of May, anyone have any suggestions on how to pack for a twelve day trip and have all the bases covered? As this is a new experience I don't want to over dress and I don't want to look like I don't care. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2009 11:15:03 AM   Julian, Smart casual and just google for Kiev temperature or weather or similar, will be warming (heating) up nicely at this time of year. baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2009 1:53:45 PM   American casual is out. So are shorts unless you are on a hike in the woods or at the beach, only. Nice slacks and polo shirts would be the most casual. Suit and tie for the nice restaurants. Lace up dress shoes for virtually everywhere. Black slacks, black shoes, and white shirt (black jacket) is the norm for the men. The ladies make the fashion statement, you do not. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2009 6:28:37 PM   I know they are fashion oriented and I am not. I went through high school wearing things that don't match because I am classified as color blind. My sister never told me while we were in high school, but she laughed and told me years afterwards. I put my beenie on one time and I was told that the label goes on front. SOOTY Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2009 6:35:57 PM   All the ukraine women I went out with were "color blind"-I never had any problems with them ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2009 2:22:56 AM   Me neither. The opposite is true. I never felt more welcome. Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2009 3:51:04 AM   you meant to tell me blue jeans are out? I see a lot of photos of women wearing jeans. I have seen photos of folks in a couple clubs/bars wearing jeans. an observation now that it was mentioned is I never saw anyone wearing shorts... what happened to "just be yourself..." ? lace up dress shoes always? what about strolling around during the day taking in sights? suit and tie for dinner? wouldn't a dark navy blazer suffice??? how much would one expect to drop for a dinner at a 'nice' restaurant? and speaking of $$$ I hear that it is very much a cash only society. and if that is so, how much 'cash' would one expect to have for ten days? I am not by any means cheap but I am also not going to go overboard with lavish gifts etc. SERIOUSLY, do I have go everywhere as if I am on job interview??? are there gyms available during the day? I am not a sneaker guy - like most men in us. I always wear shoes. But if one day I decided to strap on a nice pair of tennis shoes or running sneaks it would looked at as blasphemy??? sooty and ragingbull -- please don't start that crap here -- please? figgis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2009 5:17:20 AM   I was there recently and i wore whatever i felt comfortable in, if you want to blend in with the locals, Black shoes, black trousers, white shirt, black leather jacket, maybe a cigarette and a bottle of home brew. The woman i was with always dressed well but they will always dress for the ocassion it depends on where you go to entertain her. baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2009 7:29:40 AM   Julian, as you can see, the forums here on Fiance.com are not the greatest. They are mostly populated with a select bunch of posters who snipe constantly at each other and offer no real constuctive information. The RussianMeetingPlace forums could be good but those are very dated and very few people post there. The best I've found is the VisaJourney forums. They have a Russia specific forum and it is populated by very knowledgeable folks who will bend over backwards with information. Their moderators also do not allow the stuff you read here. Dunromin Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2009 8:36:10 AM   Julian: I’ll use “Russian” generically for the purpose as I think there is a dime of difference once you get east of Bucharest until you hit Vladivostok for the most part. Russians dress to impress when first meeting. Women ham it up and men keep it very simple but IMO effective. Someone mentioned black slacks, white shirt and black jacket. He is correct in general but the comment requires expansion for the freshman. Black slacks yes. They don’t need to be designer but they should be (for the traveler) easy care and for spring / summer (As it will be when you are there), poly mix cotton or poly cuts the best out of the suitcase. Jeans are OK on occasions but they should be decent jeans and conservative cut. Most men tend to wear round or high neck long or short sleeved polo or polar type shirts with a black leather or other jacket over for most social situations. Black leather is very common but not mandatory. It has a very practical background. It’s fine when it rains, it’s fine when it snows, it doesn’t soil when you are jammed into a mini bus, it throws over a rack and returns looking fine. I have a very dark navy (almost black) cashmere bomber jacket (Very plain but more than decent quality) and it has served me very well the last few trips to Russia. Great with good jeans and just good enough over a button down with tie and slacks for the theatre. I tend to button down shirts more than polos as they are lighter to carry and give me more options but to each his own. Things are changing now but if in doubt, lean to plainer colours. Be yourself but fit in with the locals and over the years I have found plainer and decent quality helps me slide under the radar to some extent. A Russian woman will barbeque you in her mind if your shoes aren’t fairly spot on and spotless. Black is hard to beat. Technicolour runners will leave you as a dead man walking so to speak. I take one pair of decent black leather shoes and one pair of dark brown, very good quality loafers (Not bloody Nike’s). Summary, a range of shirts, 2 pairs of reasonable slacks and a good pair of jeans will get you through with one decent multi-purpose jacket. Focus on your shoes. Take what you want from that and do your own thing as you should, but remember, you will invest several dimes in this adventure and you get one chance to turn the lady’s head so to say. Why risk missing an opportunity by penny pinching 10 bucks on a few clothes. There is no downside to dressing well. You’ll see the surf-shirt brigade and if you talk to them, you’ll find it is either their 1st trip or their 21st trip. Either way, they haven’t and aren’t likely to strike up anything lasting for the most part. If you’re having dinner with Smokinhotkova, try not to belch, fart, blow your nose or scratch your balls at the table and make sure the empty wine bottle is removed from the table pronto (You have about 4 seconds with the wine bottle thing). Given you pass those, you’re a chance of getting at least 20 minutes into the date before she exit’s stage left. Invitation1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2009 12:31:51 PM   Hi,American Dresses are also very reasonable for fashion purposes and for all kind of functions and ceremonies so i they are the best if you wnat to choose but also some pakistani dresses are also very important specially for womens, pakistani womens wear the dressess like shalwar and kurta so this point is reasonable that they look very charming in those dresses also some inidian dresses are very commonm for these functions like saaree etc. [URL=http://www.invit.com]Invitation Letter[/URL] durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2009 1:01:57 PM   OK, my 2 cents: Disclaimer 1: At least 85% of people are more "clothes-aware" than I am. Disclaimer 2: I made 8 trips to FSU before I gave any thought to meeting women there, so my concern wasn't to make a good impression, but to blend in better (lots of people still quickly ID me as American, but I didn't want to walk around with a billboard saying "I'M A TOURIST FROM USA"). So... As others said before, no short pants, even on a miserable hot day. I almost always dress "business informal" at home, and this seems to work OK over there. The main thing I change for russia is more dark or muted colors. I used to wear black shoes, but if you go around by foot, and I walk tons when I'm over there, many of the pavements are very dusty, lots of construction zones etc. etc., and my black shoes ended up turning brown, and weren't that easy to clean up. So now I wear brown shoes, they just look better when dusty! And I've noticed plenty of men wearing brown shoes. Except in bad weather, few men wear hats. I HAVE noticed a real difference between Ukraine and Russia: in Kyiv I often see men wearing bright/multi-colored/patterned shirts. Now, these are usually older blokes (not older than me, just up the age scale), and perhaps to Ukrainian eyes are "uncool," "past it," "hicks/hayseeds," etc. I suspect that many of these guys are from small towns or villages, or from western Ukraine (Lviv, Carpathians, etc.) I don't recommend dressing like them to impress, but a bright get-up would not be as attention-getting in Kyiv as in Moscow or St. Petersburg. Hope this helps. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2009 4:44:53 PM   When you get home, don't sit on the bed with your street clothes on. I did that and got in trouble. The outside is considered dirty. The first thing she asked me to do coming from outside is wash my hands. She and her daughter also did that course. baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2009 5:00:18 PM   Wasn't the very first thing you did was change out of your street shoes and into house slippers? I bring along a pair of Merrell slip-ons and use those for inside the house. Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2009 6:40:30 PM   Thanks Gentlemen, Very good stuff. It seems as though the Blues Brothers, Jake and Elwood, would have done pretty good there. Should I bring the black Fedora and sun glasses too? All joking aside, thanks. I have it all covered. I do not skimp in the clothing or shoe department. I am curious though, I have very good quality black shoes ($$$) that are not lace ups. Is wearing shoes that do not have laces looked down upon in general. Are browns and earth tones right out? Is it reasonable to think that $150 brown dress shoes would be taken as an insult to a lady? I guess they are not as Westernised as I thought. And if I understand correctly, bring a few ties??? Power ties or funs ties okay? It sounds like I am dressing for a funeral. But I suppose it could be dressing for a funeral if I dress for fun. ??? Baron555, I am guilty as well in the "better left unsaid" department. I have read some of the stuff that goes on. And I got caught up in the amusement factor of the posturing that goes on. I have said some pretty crude things. Although at the time it seemed funny... Amazing what anonymoty can do for one's sense of class. So to all I may have offended please accept my sincere apology. Hopefully I do not look like a schmuck and represent you all well. Julian Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2009 7:10:48 PM   baron555, he who has blown all of $600 in all his airfares to/from FSU, and he already has customs, for all of his one and only trip, of what he brings along. There was no unsettlement in this thread until baron555 came along and posted @ 14.05.2009 7:29:40, one guesses trying to increase his credability of selecting his 'mail order bride' by his method of 2 months of cyber and a few days of one on one contact. Suntanned, windblown Honeymooners at last alone Feeling far above par Oh, how lucky we are While I give to you and you give to me True love, true love So on and on it will always be True love, true love Gotta give me your true love Oh yeah True love, true love Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2009 7:14:10 PM   Julian, Where whatever you feel comfortable in, if you wear something that 'is not you' then you might need to continue wearing it for the lifetime the two of you may spend together, be yourself and if she doesn't like it then best to learn that sooner rather than later! Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2009 7:15:52 PM   But not a T-Shirt with 'USA' written across it :) Leave your stars and stripes at home :) Batman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2009 7:45:53 PM   how to dress and not stand out Zip your zipper? Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2009 9:47:39 PM   I was reflecting on some of this. And as I was doing house chores it came upon me like a flash. If I go there and dress the part, does this woman think this is what it is like always. When I bring her home, will she not be in for a big surprise? It will be a culture shock for her. I fully understand the idea of respect and the culture of these women. But has anyone from the USA who subscribes to the concept of black pants, black shoe etc actually brought one of these women to the US? I feel it would be a cruel joke to play the part and then when she arrives finds out that we wear shorts all the time. We wear blue jeans all the time. We only dress like that when necessary. I spend nine months out of the year in shorts. I am not slovenly by any means. I do know how to dress sharp - and I do. I understand the concept of looking nice and playing into the whole cultural effect. But what is she going to think when she discovers that in my country, people dress for comfort and don't give a hoot what other folks think about their attire???? Perhaps I should take some cargo shorts along for effect. It is interesting in that my photos and self descritption I mention outdoors, camping, hiking etc. And I have had many correspondances from women who claim to understand this. Yet also there is the cultural side. It sounds like green acres to me. A city lawyer who would rather be a farmer. And ZSA-ZSA Gabor who ... :) I am reaalizing I wish not to go to bag a hot chick who is impressed by the nature of my attire. Yes, I can dress the part very well. And if it is necessary to do so then I will. I just wonder what happens later down the road when I get up, put on a pair of shorts and a t-shirt on a Saturday morning. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > how to dress and not stand out
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