This is an american football expression. 4th down punting situation and the kicker kicks the ball so far the cover team cannot get down field in time to "cover" the kick. This is an advantage to the return man because he sees the field and has time to pick his return route. It's called out kicking your coverage. Most punt returns for touchdowns occur when a punter out kicks the coverage. the runner just blows by the cover team. A couple local sports radio host have used this as analogy to men who go after women way out of their league. Whether he is just average or less and she is drop dead gorgeous. It usually refers to that scenario. Or just an average joe making a modest income and he is married to Miss World. And guys who don't have a shot with a woman and don't have a clue. A guy 'punts' to a woman and she just blows right by him.
Why post this???? It is because I'm sure there are many here who out kick their coverage. And it will be an opportunity for many of you to snipe at one another.
Smart Martin, I would rather you use this post than the 'how to dress...' post to attack a certain individual. Your insight is very helpful but when things start to get ugly it irritates me.
I'm sure you are aware of many who have outkicked their coverage. Call them out. This post serves no useful purpose to anyone but me. It is in the hopes that the bullshit does not continue on my other post which I am serious about. Thanks and enjoy yourselves.
I did not 'attack' that certain individual, that individual had made the first move, a generalized attack on others, and I merely clarified the situation.
You take pride in your other thread, you call it 'post', well go back and read who made the first cynical remark, I had been nothing but helpful to you in the other thread, and then return to apologise ..... if you have the balls to!
Don't let it get to you Julian. As I've told you the VisaJourney forums are much better and with real live people who are willing to help a lot.
Comments made my way do not faze me. SM is correct that my case (short correspondance (relative) and one trip are not the norm. But, I will post my comments and experiences in the hope that they will help someone like many other postings helped me in the beginning (and still do).
Actually I would question anyone who take years and years and trips and trips to find their SO.
SM: What generalized attack did I make on others? I really do want to know since I do not intend to make attacks on these forums. I try to be helpful and convey whatever knowledge I have or acquired to help others as I they have helped me.
"Actually I would question anyone who take years and years and trips and trips to find their SO."
Why would you question???? If a person wants to take thier time and make a hopeful 'right' decision?? Much of it is luck...some is good homework....some is right personality.... as you can see, there are very many variables. If I was in a hurry, I could have easily be married a couple years ago, I take my time and if girl was my other half, it would have happened but it didn't. I know of a couple guys here that married quickly and it went sour. My feeling is a better decision is made with time, just my way, right or wrong. If and when I decide to do something else, I have a wealth of experiences and many friends from my journeys to FSU.
Beem, I don't question people who are serious in their search. I just question why for some it takes so long.
One reason may be that both parties are not searching for their true soulmate or to not engage in long correspondance or are not serious is their desire for marriage between the two parties.
So if this is true, then I apologize, yes one should take their time. But I am under the understanding that the ladies here and at other marriage agencies are looking to get married and not correspond a long time or are not serious.
I know in my case, after I did my homework, I began to correspond with many very real and serious women and it didn't take too long to find my mate. Maybe I am just lucky and therefore jaded in my perception of reality. I will admit to that. But, I will share my experiences with all and many others experiences has and continue to help me.
I was always counseled that once you are serious, you should be serious and if you find the woman that meets the qualities that you seek, you pursue that relationship. There is no perfect women so one must be honest with yourself in your search. Maybe some are seeking the perfect woman, which doesn't exist except the one that you eventually find.
Please do not take offense at this but it struck me funny. Is your plan to pick the ugly duckling that no one else wants to insure success? A lot of the guys you describe may have what these ladies want.
Ozzie, my plan was to pick the lady that my heart and my head said was the one for me. It just so happened that my initial criteria also was to only correspond with decent looking women. I will not boast but my Alla looks younger than her age (as I do) and is very striking.
That is a lesser criteria than finding a good match for both of us. I am sure if you were to meet my mate, you would give a thumbs up.
Wizard, I was merely trying to create a diversion. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't have a clue about anyone on this forum. It just seems there is a lot of posturing going on. And to an 'outsider' it is ammusing but somewhat distracting at the same time. I admit that I have played into some of the B.S. myself. Was it out of frustration? Or was it just for amusement? Mostly for amusement. Thing is I have no experiences and I can not refute what anyone says. Yet there seems to be a pecking order of who knows what and who's information is reliable or what is purely conjecture. I myself don't have a clue. That is why I asked some of the questions I asked. I am very thankful to all who have provided information based on experiences they had. To me, though some may dispute the value of this forum, checking in with you guys was a valuable learning experience.
Am I going to pick the ugly duckling? I could do that here. From what I understand, I most definitely have what these ladies want. But I will be damned if I am going to just fall for the first pretty that comes along and sweet talks me. I have had enough experience on this side of the Atlantic with that. Yet, I don't want to make a total ass out of myself due to my ignorance of the culture and customs. I am a good student. Yes, first hand knowledge can't be beat. But the alternative is to take advice and shared knowledge of others.
I apologize to martin. Yes, you are correct. But at the moment I went to this I just recalled the one post. That's it.
As for my kicking game, I have a good coverage team. I have kicked a few ladies to the curb that others would lick the soles of their shoes.
Hello, Mr. Oz. How does one know who the gal is that noone wants and how does one have a clue that he has a shot would be the next question here. I picked a woman from a far away town and was not on the AOB's top 100. I wanted to avoid competition. So far, she is turning out just great.
Julian, you want to establish rules that only the subject on the thread is the only one that should be talked about? Or just on your thread? Can't you sift through it to find what you need? Sometimes I just want to respond to the previous post. I need to look at the subject of the post in order to see if my post is relevant?
You asked me not to start crap on the other thread. I made a positive statement, and so did Sooty. Although baron555's statement that Martin took offense was true, it was not on that thread.
I didn't take offence, I'll call 'a spade a spade', if I think one individual, any individual, is out of order then I will tell them so, I don't make snide remarks to deliberately antagonise others as baron555 did.
rb, I realize the chaos factor is involved. And folks say what is on their minds. It happens and it is human nature. There seems to be a lot of angst between certain parties of which I do not know the history. And once started it perpetuates and others chime in. Once the bickering starts it has a snowball effect. I am in no position to dictate 'rules' to anyone. Yet I was hopefule of keeping it to the point. I'm sure the question and answers on the other thread are a help to many besides myself. And if it starts to stray much from the main topic, others may just view it as another bs session if they come into it and read backwards. For instance. The elenas racist thread. 6000 views! Interesting subject. 600+ replies. I have no time to read to read it all and I didn't. I started from the back. And thought how out of hand it became that I myself threw in some unkind words.
So to say that women being color blind had nothing to do with the subject. And I think it was a fair assessment of the comments.
Julian
Thank you for the spelling lesson but I rely on microsoft word to correct me and if my blunder more closely resembles the wrong word it will probably be used.
I am a positive thinking person and I believe if a person wants something and works hard enough for it he can achieve it. Every thing has a cost but I will not try to discourage anyone from trying what others think is impossible.
Mr. Julian. If you look at closely at my first color blind post, you can see that it does touch on the subject. I am color blind. My second post was just responding to Sooty.
This may seem off the subject, but I have been e-mailed and pm'd by some people reading our posts. They have genuine experiences and questions, but will not share them because of the attitude of certain individuals.
Quote: “From what I understand, I most definitely have what these ladies want. But I will be damned if I am going to just fall for the first pretty that comes along and sweet talks me.”
Tap on the shoulder Julian. Very easy to draw that conclusion for one who has been around a bit and knows something of their way around women but. The but is, which ladies? The reality is there is only a small percentage of women in the east who will seriously consider marrying abroad. Of that percentage, a percentage is worth knowing. The final cut of suitable ladies will contain a high percentage of women who will consider marrying abroad but have no burning desire to do so. They will have more than enough class to be fair bait for the local boys and as a foreigner, the western punter is at a large disadvantage. It will be you doing the sweet talking in the hope of securing the affection of the genuine lovely, not her, if she is in fact genuine.
Could you glean from that the whole process is no different from home turf other than several thousand miles of distance, language, culture, statutory rights, increased costs and basic street knowledge throwing obstacles in your path and placing you behind the eight ball at the outset? IMO, if you do glean something like that, you have started to catch on.
Quote: “I am a positive thinking person and I believe if a person wants something and works hard enough for it he can achieve it. Every thing has a cost but I will not try to discourage anyone from trying what others think is impossible.”
Well said, I agree. Nevertheless, IMO, those of us who have been through the mill to an extent are duty bound to tell the plain story and point out why something may be thought impossible. The agencies will sell the positive virtues of this pursuit well enough. The plain story is, this is damned hard work and if the punter thinks the work lightens off after lovely is tucked safely in his bed back home with ring on finger he (and she) is in an awful shock. All too often the shock waves have the magnitude to bust a marriage wide open.
"...fall for the first pretty..."
As I have stated elsewhere, I have no delusions of just going over there and picking out a lady like it is a shopping mall. I fully understand and expect that any woman no matter where she lives should be treated with respect and admiration. My message of being 'sweet talked' had to do with all of the references to scammers and men being taken for a ride thinking they found the love of their life only to discover later - or sooner - that they been had.
My purpose is to find a woman who is genuinely interested in me as a person. And I will not betray myself. If I do not find someone who I believe will be a friend to me and enjoy - more want - the lifestyle I live, I won't waste my time or hers. Trying to explain to friends here why I am even considering this avenue for a partner is another subject.
Interesting meeting I had with a young lady yesterday. Went to the Springsteen concert in Hershey. he puts on a good show. I decided to get a beer and this hot tamale was in line chatting me up. She was a 27 yr old hottie. She didn't know the 2 beer rule and was getting 3. she had 2 lady friends... I offered to be the third hand. Hell she even bought me a beer $8. She refused to take my money. While we were waiting for her friends, small talk etc. I mentioned I was heading to Ukraine. She asked if I was going for a "mail order bride". She was aghast at the concept. Then she said, "Well American women only care about men with a big bank account and are mostly bitches etc..." Funny that this young woman understood. She punched her number into my phone and we will get together. Not marriage material but weekend get away fun girl. Plus she is in marketing for crown royal and has perks.
The point of that is I meet this hot looking girl much younger than I - I think she really didn't know how old I am because I look much younger - and she already gets it that most American women are shit. So why not see what it's like across the water. If I find a good lady I win. If I don't find a good lady I will not have lost. If I thought it would be easy pickings I wouldn't waste my money. This is not sport for me. And I have no intentions of getting me a young lady who will be changing my diapers when I am ninety-five.