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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Economic Crisis in Kiv? Author Post TINTIN Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/24/2009 4:41:05 PM   Hi all my friends!!!!!!! Any guys just returned from Ukraine?.I was in Kiev 6 weeks ago and shops shutting down also More beggers on the streets also. Restaurants empty.Back on saturday for one night then i fly onto Tunis Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/24/2009 7:55:01 PM   Kiv? 'KIV' is the IATA 3 letter designator for Chisinau/Kishinev airport and that isn't in Ukraine! ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/25/2009 1:03:02 AM   I don't understand why such a country in crisis still insist on wearing the nicest clothes. It is something we have to live with when we go there, but I bet they will change when they move here. Dunromin Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/25/2009 8:14:40 AM   RB: Who will change and who will “move here”? If you are speaking of the tiny handful of women who might marry someone from “here”, I think you are mistaken. Mrs has been criticized at times for over dressing “here” and when asked advice, I have suggested she lift it up another notch if the others don’t like it. I’ve no particular desire to see her pushing a grocery trolley in a toweling dress and flip flops with an arse 3 feet wide. bowhunter Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/25/2009 8:25:07 AM   ok dunromin that was funny, true but funny. I see to many of them now dont want to add to it. I did notice some empty store front when I was there. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/25/2009 11:21:22 AM   I read that somewhere that rather than lifting it up a notch, they go down a notch, but never completely change. In the case of her 12 year old daughter, I don't see her not changing, due to peer pressure. It's no big deal to me. I will not push her either way. I am looking forward to her teaching me how to dress and picking out my clothes. There is a more important question here. Why does such a country in economic crisis still insist on wearing the nicest clothes? There is probably nothing we can do about it. I even enjoy watching them. But, I don't understand not eating and going without certain necesities for the sake of fashion. I was in 4th grade when I emigrated here from the Philippines with my family. I still remember my 1st grade teacher telling us it doesn't matter if your clothes are old, or even has holes. The main thing is it is clean. Dunromin Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/25/2009 5:42:52 PM   RB: Have you not heard the saying, “If you are going bust, buy a new suit”? Money and personal standards are not mutually inclusive. Your 1st grade teacher saw “clean” as the benchmark for personal standards. Nothing wrong with that but each sees it differently. Russian women are different. This is important to them and yes they will scrimp and scrape if they must in order to afford nice clothes. It’s the way they are for the most part. You don’t understand it? Why would you bother trying? They are women! That said, I think the picture is wider yet than you are speaking of here and for me has always been an interesting area. I have noticed in the east a lack of wealth at a civic level and yet unlimited ornate monuments which cannot be maintained or are decaying due to that lack of civic wealth. Apart from the statues, take look at some of the fences around government buildings in some cities. Massive concrete and ornate metal constructions which cost a fortune to maintain at any level and are run down due to lack of resources when a simple decorative metal construction in the first instance would have done nicely and cost nothing to maintain for who knows how long. Interestingly, I have noticed similar in many developing or less than developing countries all over the world. Do I think their priorities are all wrong? Yes I do. Is it my call to make? No it is not. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/25/2009 10:15:44 PM   I have noticed the elaborate fountains with no water. Garbage accumulates and mixes with rain water. Does not smell good. bowhunter Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/26/2009 9:35:50 AM   sounds like Paris now rb ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/27/2009 1:23:59 AM   I am not surprised, bowhunter. Thousands of businesses are giving tax money to the government. What does France do? Impose a 35 hour work week. peteb Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/31/2009 6:37:41 AM   we went to a supermarket a few weeks ago in the middle of the day and these two total babes walked by wearing the shortest/thinest dresses i think i have ever seen in my life. girls here just like to dress up i guess. heck... i'm not allowed out of the house to even to go to the shop until i've made sure i look the best than i can! lol to quote olya... "ukrainian girls just don't know how to dress appropriately for the occasion" yup! as for things getting worse here, yep i guess so. but at least the dollar doesn't seem to be going up like before. almost 7.5 now i think. /pete ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/1/2009 5:24:21 PM   Pete, 7.5 UAH does not seem as high as before. It has been around 8.00 for months. I'm a skeptic if that's good news or not. I have seen news reports before that the government is limiting the hryvia's fall. Maxirat Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/3/2009 6:05:17 AM   They have been propping the grv up since October 08 - most of the IMF two payments thus far have been used for this Our NZ$ is now worth 5grv - same as what 1 US$ did this time last year. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/3/2009 4:55:41 PM   Since they're manipulating the growth or fall of the hryvnia, perhaps the fall to 7.5 means they are due for another IMF payment? I am not there to observe the economy, but I do read news reports. Including Pete's post, I have not read any good economic news. durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/3/2009 6:51:08 PM   Hey Guys, I'm not smart about economics, but my $.02: When the market value of a state's currency drops, that state has to spend a lot of money to "prop it up". In the case of Russia, they spent many tens of billions of dollars trying to protect the ruble, while the cost of a dollar went from 27 to 34 rub (rough figures). Simply, Russia was buying up rubles (using reserves of other currencies) at higher than their market value. As far as I know, Ukraine doesn't have anything like these reserves, and is in a much weaker position to prop up the UAH. Having your currency lose value is helpful, IF you owe a lot of money in that currency (your debt repayment becomes cheaper). But I think that the big debts in Russia and Ukraine are mostly payable in dollars, Euros, and other currencies, so weakening of their currencies only hurts them. In just the past couple of weeks, the ruble has gained on the dollar more than 10% (today about 30.5 to the dollar). But I think this is about the dollar sliding, and not any big change in these smaller economies. The weakening dollar is great news for these countries... and more expense for us travelers... But it is probably a hopeful sign: the dollar got so strong (compared to other currencies) because of financial panic. The return of exchange rates toward more normal levels reflects (I hope) more confidence around the world. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/3/2009 7:04:30 PM   Oh yes, there was one good economic news. Ukraine have not used their allocation of carbon emissions allocation according to the Kyoto protocol, so they sold it to Japan. It sounds like Ukraine got a good price for it, but it was confidential. It's good news that they got money for it, but that also means that industry is slow. Carbon usage is one of the main things that drive the economy. It's funny how you can still go above your allocation by paying one who has not used it. peteb Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2009 12:48:12 PM   bad new for me too as i get paid in dollars! i think i might have to switch back to working for clients in the uk for gbp! Maxirat Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2009 5:40:54 PM   Durak Yes - the diff between Russia and Ukraine - Ukraine has/had NO reserves. Russia had 550B Interesting about the carbon credit sale to Japan - that’s typical practice for the clowns in Kiev to do. Their book keeping is likened to a child in a candy store !!! But the mother-inlaw says the restaurant trade is picking up speed. She’s been very busy this last few weeks and her boss has 2 of his 3 restaurants running at full speed now. So some of them are still spending on luxuries !!!!!!!! Texasdude Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/6/2009 1:45:27 AM   Writing letters to a restaurant manager in Ukraine and she also says business is picking up enough to where she is working overtime. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/6/2009 4:54:38 PM   The carbon credit sale was marketing and not bookkeeping. I think it was a good move. If Japan wants to pay them for it, why not? 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