Shaz, in my limited experience, yes the videochats do help. It's not how lone you have corresponding but what is the quality of the correspondence. For me, Alla and I had been using Skype (video and audio) similarly for about a month before we both, simultaneously, determined that we were very attracted to each other and should meet. We then began to correspond with each other exclusively. Our relationship ratcheted up a notch as we continued to correspond and plan the meeting. A month and a half later we met.
Our hearts confirmed with our meeting what our heads had been telling us; that we were made for each other.
Our Clock did not reset; it was kicked into overdrive!
I am so happy to learn for positive outcomes from these agencies, really nothing good has happened so far with me(baron555). Anyway my videochats I am using are through Anastasia, paying premium charges, and having 40-50 minutes for example(billgreen54). These girls have no computers or no access to internet so they tell me to commuincate through the agency, I have no choice in this matter. Anyway I agree when you actually go there the clock starts over.
Ok Smart Martin, I will not video chat there anymore as I am not getting even 50% response from girls I am telling them I will meet them, their attitude sucks. Anyway I checked out Kiev connections but the rates are like $12 per letter & registration alone cost $120.00 is that worth it? And are there any other real serious girls website for Ukraine(ualays.com also $8 per letter)? What about city of brides? Any help appreciated.
I'll agree with other guys, this videochat through anastasia is probably just money maker for
all involved, what is $50 for 10 minutes, jezzzz. I bet this girl has little to no english skills and is incrediblly beautiful. You must be rich Shaz...or incredibly naive. If you think she is worth it, write her for a couple months, talk on phone couple times and visit her. This should minimize your costs and find out if girl in genuine. I am also a beliver in seeing muliple girls on first visits, too many times your plans go to pot...did I say that??? I mean to pieces.
I don't believe the anastasia scam stuff as much as I believe it is the type of girl some men choose
....girls way out of their league.
No dealing with Elenas but in 2 years on fiance only met a couple of girls that I felt were sincere, getting phone numbers and e-mail addresses didn't amount to much. Only time dealt with Kievconnections....went to office, picked a couple girls they got me a couple dates in a couple minutes time...where else can someone do that...of course at $40 a pop. Girls were there mainly for the date.
COB is a scam as well. And all of these letter places don't tell you that you should get the woman's personal email and get her away from the agency quick.
And if you went into KC cold, what did you expect but girls just interested in dating? I can vouch for KC having met the owner and his wife; very legit but they make their money running letters and interpreting. So if you can separate a woman from her agency quickly, that is best.
Some folks are lousy at corresponding or do not project well in their profiles or during their correspondence. For them, this can take a long time. Some also are not really serious and therefore they attract the same in the women.
Within the first 20 women who I sent Expressions of Interest did I receive back the same. I then used the agency email once to introduce myself and tell them I would send them my long (and really good) introduction letter on their personal email that I bought (so many with my particular membership level) from EM. Within the first two weeks I would say that I was corresponding with a handful of real women. Within the first month I had whittled this down to about 5 really strong possibilities. Within the next month I added a few to the short list and dropped some off.
Whem my Alla and I decided at the two month mark to take our correspondence exclusive, I had to say good bye to 6 other super women with whom be both could have been the "one".
And I am just a regular guy. I don't know why others have so much trouble?
"And if you went into KC cold, what did you expect but girls just interested in dating?"
Since you know KC very well baron, you do know it is a marriage agency and not a dating site. I didn't go there for 'dates'. I had info from several girls I was interested in meeting. I figured I would try to meet them without correspondence......hmmmm......just like at home. You missed my point of how easy it was to set up a date...from a paying customer. One girl checked her watch and when it hit 1 hour, meeting was over, that is what I paid for. The other girl was only interested in meeting and nothing else but we got along great and spent a couple other days. She didn't get into it much but when I asked about her getting paid for meeting with guys, she only said it was worth her trouble. These agencies are a business, to make a profit, it is not in their favor for their top girls to find a guy, sort of a conflict of interest. As far as being legit, I don't know,I can only speak of my experience. By the way, Baron, can you get some money back for me from KC, they never got back to me when I requested for refund.
First and last time I have ever been to an agency.
Beem I didn't say I know them so well, I only said I have met the owners and that the agency is legit. You got what you paid for; obviously you didn't click with the girls you met. Yes they may be only Dating Girls and nothing else. That is why I didn't use them. They are not a call girl service so there is no guarentee that you will go further than the first meeting. You understand and understood that, right?
Same as those Social or Tours; I think those are the same. I personally would rather use the method I took; I got to know some about the girls (and my girl) before I made the expensive trip.
A few years ago I tried match.com in America. One lady I met checked her watch and told me she was meeting with another guy that same night!!! Just a lady meeting as many men as possible for her dime. And she indicated she was meeting many men hoping to find one that clicked... ? So it goes.
kc -- interesting. By the way -- how much did you spend for your video meetings? Add it all up. I went for the big ticket item at KC. I figured why not? Spend enough on weekends and local dates that taking time off from that was a push. In a month of dating in the states -- if you are in an urban area -- the dollars add up. I weighed all of this before I decided to try KC. It reasoned out for the cost. My problem was I was in a hurry. Big mistake. But only because I had a window to visit and pushed forward to make it happen. In retrospect, had I taken more time before I travelled I believe I would have been successful with KC. I find it interesting that I received a message from them a week ago indicating a lady was very interested in me and provided a phone number directly to her. She was a lady I was very interested in meeting but I was unsure she would be interested in me -- go figure. I believe they are sincere in their desire to make a match and to be successful in finding a man for their ladies. There are always women who are not sure. But if you sincerely desire to meet a woman, a real person, then I would consider it. Just be sure to insist on getting personal contact information. Immediately! Once you do, you will be able to correspond independant of the agency. I know this for a fact. It can be a bit daunting at first. But if you decide to give KC a try, be patient and make sure you are able to speak to and/or write personally to the lady. Once you have established a repoire with several - 5 if you go with matchmaker option- then make the trip. It will be worth it. But make sure you have at least ten to fourteen days for this. It is interesting. Had I not been impatient with them I believe I would have been a success. These are not top of the line models. But in person much better than you may think. They do not go out of their way to make professional photos. They take the girl for a walk and take a few digital photos - for the most part. Some ladies already have nice photos. My 2 cents about KC.
And they will bend over backwards to help you while you are there. This is a fact I know. As a first time traveller to Kiev, I was appreciative of the support, advice AND availability of the staff and owner to help with anything! Worth the bucks for a first time traveller. I did not meet the lady of my dreams there, but I assure you it was money well spent.
beemer, your insinuating that the girls at kc meet only for money is a bit outrageous, not only that, it makes it more difficult for the sincere girls who are there. I have a hard time believing a girl with a steady income would risk losing it all just because some 'stranger' wanted to know if she was getting paid. that doesn't add up.
i have been to kc on a few occasions. i have no problems with them. the people showed up. there are no gaurantees in this business. probably you need to meet a 100 women before you really click with someone that you want to spend the rest of your life with. that is not the agencies fault. its just life.
i have also used afa in kiev. i don't have a problem with them. although, unfortunately, they have changed over the years to become more and more like anastasia.
gecko...not insinuating anything...just telling what actually happened with the 2 girls I met with.
This was while I was in Kiev already. I never had any communication with either girl. You tell me if it is reasonable for a girl to meet within a couple hours notice, that happened to me, it did make me wonder. I did run into another guy in an internet cafe that told me he usually met with girl same day he was in agency.
"i have been to kc on a few occasions. i have no problems with them. the people showed up"
Well at $40 a pop...don't you think girl has to show up, right?
To reinterate, I had no problems that it didn't work out with these girls, you either click or you don't.....I know that there are guarantees.
I didn't ask the girl if she got 'paid' for meeting with me......I only asked about being so readily available for meetings...and I didn't run back to agency to confront them. With everything involved
in searching the FSU for your partner, what is wrong with questioning( internally) something that may or may not be on the level.
My experience with elenasmodels: despite their silly name, they seem to be very well run. It has less "junk" than any other site I know of. The fees are relatively high, but to me well worth it.
One thing em does that I haven't seen elsewhere - there is very clear marker that goes onto a woman's profile only if she has come into a elenasmodels office, and they have checked her identity papers.
Yes, scammers get profiles up, but thanks to good "policing," the percentage is low, and they tend not to last long.
Also, there are girls who are obviously not serious (very young willing to meet men twice their age, lots of sexy pose photos, etc.), but these are not a problem because they are so easy to recognize. As far as I can tell, the great majority of elenasmodels women are sincere about wanting to marry. So in exchange for the money I pay, I avoid a bunch of questions and worry.
I had an early experience with elenasmodels at their Kyiv office. I was traveling, and had intended to get a paid membership (so I could make contacts), but found out that I couldn't do this outside my home country. So I quickly made a list of ID numbers for women in Kyiv I was interested to meet, and went down to their office. While I sat there, a woman in the office went through the list to see which of the women she had phone numbers for, called one by one, and when she got an answer, started reading off my particulars. Several of them said "no" as soon as they heard my age, height and weight (this was not very fun). But two agreed to meet me the next day, and as I recall, it was $40 per. They were both attractive, nice and sincere. I had no impression that the women get paid for anything!
I debated whether or not to post this. But after reading Durak's message...
I explained my experience with KC. And my impatience. Which led me to EM. I had correspondance with many women. Narrowed it down to a few. And had many opportunities to meet with several during my visit to Kiev. Could have gone to Odessa. But I chose Kiev. I just now sent a letter to a lady in Kiev I met from EM. Although we have become nothing more than pen pals. She is very sweet and sincerely looking for a mate. If I wanted to pro-create at this time... Anyway, the lady I am visiting and spending another week with I met through elena's models. Was it Baron(?) who mentioned the 'expression of interest' thing. Works very well. Yes, I met a few who were questionable from EM. But I believe the majority are very sincere. And I know I probably (prolly?) was hasty in dismissing several for minor infractions - according to the rules of engagement from the forum here. I was very skeptical going forward after all I had read. Now? After one trip and meeting with a lady I met through EM I am returning. Another week with the woman I met. And I did my homework before I met this lady. EM has provided a population of sincere women who are ready, willing and able to make the commitment to an international relationship. And that means they are willing to relocate with the right man. Just don't be a schmuck and you will succeed. And as Baron555 states, ",,kicked into overdrive."
So shaz444 -- do not fall in love with a pretty face. Do not fall in love with a sexy body. Enlist common sense and correspond with a lady. When you are certain and comfortable with the exchange of information, and there is a mutual attraction, then consider meeting. And meet you must! I would not travel to see anyone if you have not spoken. Whether it is brief and her other than Russian language skills suck , it is imperitive to speak with her before you meet. Even if it is only, "HI I do not understand." Get it? That is exactly the conversation I had. We both laughed. After a few months we are able to have a real conversation.
Good luck. Seek out other options. In the long run, if you are worried about spending money for an agency that is legit, you have other worries. This is not a cheap way to meet a woman.