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Ecoast34

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	Send: 7/1/2009 7:05:26 PM

Hi all! I'm new here and have been reading some of the posts. There's a lot of good info here, but I'm still unsure about something. I've been corresponding with a girl for a month now and she seems really nice and genuine. She is 26 and has a 3 yr old child. From the letters we exchanged, I have good vibes with her. She has opened up to me quite a bit since our first letters and I also sent her photos which she asked for. However, when I tried to ask for her phone number, she said she has a contract with the agency and I will have to call her through the agency. But this is the last thing I want to do. Since she has a child, she has no time for the internet cafe so I don't want to ask her to setup a personal email account. I suspect one of the two reasons or both: 1)She is really not serious 2)She may be genuine, but the agency is somehow holding her hostage or telling her not to give me her number. Or maybe the interpretor is tampering with the letters. What do some of you more experienced guys out there think about this? Is this just a scam? I'm going to ask for her home address next to see how she responds. Any suggestions or advice is greatly appreciated! Thanks!

Artinshki

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	Send: 7/2/2009 11:49:59 AM

Ecoast, It depends on the agency, but anytime there are agency obstacles to communication, it is not a good sign. If she does not speak English and the agency is translating for you, you can only trust she is as genuine as the agency is honest. What is the agency? Others here may have an opinion on it. Also check the agency against a scam database which you can find through a web search. I have done most of my searching through A Foreign Affair and the Angelika network. Both of them have had more positives than negatives for me.

Rag'n'Bull

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	Send: 7/2/2009 12:15:10 PM

What is the name of the agency? Run the name of the agency followed by the word 'scam' thru google and see what results might appear. Also run her name thru google.

baron555

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	Send: 7/2/2009 1:25:50 PM

She is 26 when I tried to ask for her phone number she said she has a contract with the agency and I will have to call her through the agency So a young woman who does not have a personal phone? How many American young women do you know do NOT have a mobile phone? and contract? Why would any good agency try to stifle the meeting of their listing with a possible partner? You sent photos but what about her? Photos in everyday situations? Red Flags big time. Move on to a new agency and a new woman.

Kirkland

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	Send: 7/2/2009 3:30:24 PM

Unless she's living in a cave she's prolly got a mobile phone. If you won't give you a better means of contacting her other than through an agency; move on

Armin(Bonddd)

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	Send: 7/2/2009 3:36:10 PM

<However, when I tried to ask for her phone number, she said she has a contract with the agency and I will have to call her through the agency.> What a bullshit, you are really being scammed. And what if she gives you her number that agency will take her to the court? Never believe when girls can't give their contacts or even don't have an e-mail. Is she from a wild countryside? What country is she from?

baron555

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	Send: 7/2/2009 6:34:58 PM

I used Elenas Models. They have a feature called Expression of Interest. Let me step aside and tell folks that before you even think about starting to correspond with any woman, you must have two things ready. 1. A nice introduction letter professionally translated into Russian. Even if they say they can speak and read English writing to them in Russian, their native language is courteous but also may be essential since if they use the Internet cafe, they pay by the time. Also professionally translated means not using an online translator or a translation software. These do not pick up on idioms or other expressions that differ and are said differently in Russian versus English. My introduction letter was 7 pages long and told a nice story all about me. It took me three weeks to write and edit and edit and then two weeks to translate. Time and time again I had ladies respond that they had never received such an interesting and sincere letter from a man. I had succeeded in making my letter stand out amongst the millions of other letters they receive. Second many commented that it was an excellent translation and therefore there was no misunderstanding. 2. You must be ready to travel. Within about two to three months, you ought to know what lady or ladies you want to meet. By the fact that they are on the agency, they have made up their mind that they are serious (unless they are scammers or GTG, Good Time Girls, well, I guess they are serious too!!). You can not wait to make up your mind; why should they wait for you when there are millions of other men coming to see them? So with the EM site, you upload your profile and pictures (a must) and you can browse the ladies and click a button and send them an Expression of Interest. They get an email from the agency saying these men are interested in you. They then can look at your profile and send back a reply via the agency as Not Interested or Yes I am Interested. I thought this was a nice feature since it gave them a chance to check you out and for you to not waste your time cold calling. Many did responded back to me Not Interested. I'd say my averages were about 35-40% were interested. Also I used my upper head and selected an appropriate age range. EM also, like here on Fiance.com, the ladies tell you the age range of the man they are interested in. I did not go outside of that box. Then I used the agency's email feature to send them a very short email that said thanks and I like your profile and I think we have a lot in common. Look for my long introduction letter titled "such and such" to be sent to your email address xxxx@xxx.ru or whatever. I obtained the email address from EM which was part of the membership package I paid for. Then I'd send the letter and virtually every time, they would respond back to my private email (not my personal email but a Yahoo email I set up just for this adventure). And we would correspond by these emails and never went back to the agency. I do not know how Fiance.com works, since all my interest is here in these forums, just to spread my limited knowledge of the process.

Land of oz

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	Send: 7/2/2009 11:40:33 PM

Some agencies do use scare tactics with the ladies. I had a friend who went to I believe Poltava (dont quote me on that) but anyhow he rented his own apt and the agency found out about it and threatened the lady he met to discontinue her profile for not using their services. Everything is not black and white over there so do not be surprised when it does not make sense to Western Standards. Good agencies (if there are any have some bad women)and bad agencies have some good women. That is the advantage of using an entity like fiance.com, if you are new you have you have someone who knows the culture to help if things do not seem right. But still ultimately it is you who decides if the risk is too high with an individual lady or not.

Ecoast34

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	Send: 7/6/2009 10:33:35 PM

Thanks to everyone for your input and replies! She is from Marganets, Ukraine. I already know she has a phone because she has mentioned it in one of her letters. I've already googled her name and didn't find anything negative. She told me to not be surprised because the agency will be sending me a letter. I don't have the agency name yet. And yes, I've gotten photos of her daily life. I understand if she doesn't have email because she has no time for the internet cafe. She works two jobs (one is for a children's charity) and has a son. But at this point I'm still unsure. I believe she is sincere, but just in a bad agency like Land Of OZ said. I like this girl, but if I can't find a way to get around the agency, I will move on.

Rag'n'Bull

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	Send: 7/7/2009 5:30:34 AM

Ecoast, What time difference is there between her sending/receiving letters from an internet cafe as opposed to an agency? Diddly squat! The only difference might be that for a fee(s) the agency post her profile on website(s) and translate the letters for her. But by saying that you are not aware of the agency name it would appear that these letters are from/to her personal email address or they are not emails but online messaging via a dating site. Well any reputable agency would have their own email address(s) for letter writing, if she has allowed them the password to her personal email then that indicates that something underhand is going on, but if it's all online messaging then, either way, the agency are earning a fee per letter. An agency cannot hold her to ransom, whilst the agency may doctor your letters to omit contact information she knows your name, she knows the site on which you contacted each other, she could nip off to an internet cafe, set up another email account and find you on that site to start writing with you outside of the agency ..... IF SHE REALLY WANTED TO! You listed 2 options in your first post, well here are options 3 & 4: 3. She is in cahoots with the agency, she is revenuing $$$ from these communications, per letter, per telephone call via the agency, and should you decide to travel to her that agency will do their best to take you to the cleaners, airport transfers, accommodation, interpreter services, sightseeing etc. etc. etc. and, if she is still under this supposed contract, you will either have to pay perhaps a hundred or few dollars for her information or you'll return home still communicating via the agency. 4. One or the other doesn't exist. Either she doesn't exist or the agency doesn't exist. But I'd place a bet on '3' being the favourite, it's an all too common scenario, the man travels and if the lady does turn up she may only turn up for one date and thereafter make excuses that you are not compatible or she is too busy to see you etc. and perhaps the agency step in to, for a fee, introduce the guy to other ladies and all these ladies are being paid by the agency for any monies they can squeeze from the guy.

baron555

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	Send: 7/7/2009 9:13:51 AM

I agree with SM. I think any reputable agency would not get in the way of making a match happen. Do you have her address? You could send her a letter via that method and obtain her phone number and maybe her personal email. If she insists on continuing to do things via the agency, I would take that as a red flag and run away. There are plenty of other FSU fish out there.

Mondelo

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	Send: 7/7/2009 12:39:43 PM

I'm sorry, she is feeding you some bull Ecoast. She says she doesn't have time to go to the internet cafe? Well guess what she obviously has time to go to the agency to talk with you so going to an internet cafe to talk to you directly should be about the same effort for her. She also won't give you her phone number but says you can call her through the agency? Sounds to me like a girl who is getting paid by the agency to me as Martin says too. If this girl was really serious about you she would give you her contact info and talk to you by phone and email privately. I think it is time to move on I'm afraid.

gecko

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	Send: 7/9/2009 12:36:14 AM

if she doesn't have time to email you, to communicate with you, what does that say?

Ecoast34

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	Send: 7/9/2009 8:42:37 PM

Well, she never told me she was too busy, I just assumed she was based on things she told me about her daily life, including her son and all. I correspond with her via fiance.com. She says that when the agency receives my letter, they translate it and then call her by phone. She can then pick up the letter or have them read it to her over the phone and she can also give her replies that same way. This I believe because someone else mentioned this same type of process in this forum. I guess it does save her a lot of time. I have no intention of using any of the agency services other than letter correspondence and translation. And I pay a monthly fee as opposed to per letter. SM, I also thought of your scenarios and you're probably right about #3. The main reason why I posted this was to: 1. Find out if girls actually do have these types of contracts with their agencies. 2. Determine if there is a good way to get around it if the girl was genuine. I still don't have a clear cut answer, but you guys have helped me a lot. THANKS!!! She's not the only girl I'm communicating with so it's not that big of a deal.

baron555

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	Send: 7/10/2009 9:03:12 AM

read it to her over the phone So she does have a phone. She has time to talk with the agency but not with you? You need to be cruelly blunt with her; demand the phone number or the address and if she will not give that to you then she is not serious. And why have the agency translate when you can do it yourself. The monthly fee is the scam. She will talk to you forever.

Rag'n'Bull

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	Send: 7/10/2009 9:14:21 AM

Ecoast, I subscribed to fiance.com for a short time some years ago and I don't recall, despite asking, ever being provided with any lady's email address, other guys have had positive experiences of obtaining contact information but alas I wasn't one of them. The agency are revenuing per letter allbeit you are not paying per letter but what harm can there be divulging an email address unless it is a financial harm? I certainly wouldn't commit to travelling to meet a lady with whom I hadn't had one to one contact with and particularly a lady who cannot even be bothered to put the legwork in. She wants to improve her life, we all want to improve our lives and it's bl00dy hard work doing so, meanwhile she sits on her @ss at home, inner city phone calls in Ukraine are free, expecting others to make the required efforts upon her behalf. Being a single working mother is no excuse, the websites are littered with single working mothers and they can find the time to put the legwork in! All negative signs Ecoast so, as you say, no big deal and best to move on.

beemer18

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	Send: 7/10/2009 7:04:54 PM

"And why have the agency translate when you can do it yourself. The monthly fee is the scam. She will talk to you forever" Be careful baron....not nice to ridicule fiance.com!!! Your lucky olga didn't see that!!! Just to let you guys know, didn't take much checking but after looking at a couple pics I'd have to say this girl EC is talking to is not so serious( nice ass though!!). Something about being a Miss Wow that makes me think she is a letter writer, for those that have seen past hreads in re to Miss Wow's. I hope I have the right girl EC....if not, forgive me if so that phone call through the agency is just for $$$ and if you ever got around to visiting either she will flake out or use you for what she can get. There are some things that I have gone through with a busy girl( small child) like phoning in for letters and dictating them over phone and my current girl didn't want to talk on phone before meeting(she thought her english was poor). I think it matters on guys posts......but because this girl has a '3' in english, e-mail addresses and phone numbers will not do much for EC other than going through a third party for phone calls.

Rag'n'Bull

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	Send: 7/10/2009 7:21:55 PM

beemer, Are you wanting to sleep with me or something because it seems we keep agreeing with each other :) 007

baron555

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	Send: 7/10/2009 8:43:25 PM

y current girl didn't want to talk on phone before meeting(she thought her english was poor). I think it matters on guys posts......but because this girl has a '3' in english, e-mail addresses and phone numbers will not do much for EC other than going through a third party for phone calls. I think this is a bunch of crap. Here's a lady who wants to meet her soulmate and has agreed he might be beyond her borders, he speaks English, and just because she is only a 3, she will not speak with him on the phone? What will she do when they are married, bring a laptop to bed and email through the agency? I would never ever visit a lady whom I did not at least speak to on the phone let alone Skype. How do you know Dimitri (who may be the lady) will appeal to you?

beemer18

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	Send: 7/10/2009 9:38:17 PM

"I think this is a bunch of crap. Here's a lady who wants to meet her soulmate and has agreed he might be beyond her borders, he speaks English, and just because she is only a 3, she will not speak with him on the phone?" Oh yea Baron??? Because she is only a '3' is a good enough reason for not speaking on phone without interpreter. She never said she wouldn't speak to him( read again), she said EC would have to go through the agency. What, is this same as some guy who was on this forum a while back that 'called' a girl on phone and she didn't speak any english...his reason???...because he wanted to hear her voice..big deal. I have never ran into any dimitri's or boris'.....maybe it is luck or maybe I am doing something right, who knows, after a short writing period, I visit...maybe 1 girl or maybe several girls...but we do meet.....the single most important aspect of any relationship...... "I would never ever visit a lady whom I did not at least speak to on the phone let alone Skype." By the way, how many girls with '3' in english have you spoken on phone or had on skype? Seems we don't see eye to eye on things.....thats okay, shows there are different ways to end up in the same place.

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