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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > from donetsk to lugansk, is it safe? Author Post starseer Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/5/2009 8:46:51 PM   I will go to Donetsk soon. And from there i plan to go to Lugansk. Is it safe to travel between these cities? and what is the best way? by taxi or bus? thank you. peteb Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/6/2009 4:22:21 AM   can't answer now as olya is out - but as her parents are from lugansk and sister lives in donetsk she must have some idea - i'll ask her later if no-one else replies (and if we have internet when we get to the crimea) /pete Armin(Bonddd) Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/6/2009 5:40:23 AM   It's 145 km, 2,5 - 3 hours by bus, 1.5 by a car. I don't think taxi fair will be more than $120 Both ways are rather safe but bus is much cheaper gecko Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/6/2009 6:47:35 PM   i really don't understand peoples fear of traveling in fsu countries. from what i can tell they are the safest places i have ever visited. I mean, what do you think is going to happen to you on a 2.5 bus ride in the middle of the day? go to the bus station in donetsk in the morning. if dontesk is like any other city, there will be a bus or mashrutka leaving every hour to lugansk. for buses you need a ticket. mashrutka (minivan) are first come first serve. i would leave by 8am when its not so hot outside. usually the last bus leaves at 7pm. good luck and beware. you might die. leonfromkherson Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/8/2009 11:24:46 AM   gecko, very often foreigners ask - is it safe to go from for example, Odessa to, for example, Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk, Kherson etc. Why do they ask it? gecko Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/9/2009 9:20:13 PM   because they live with their mommys durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/9/2009 10:29:38 PM   @leon, I don't know why people ask this question, but here is maybe a clue. I have two Ukrainian friends from America, who both seemed quite worried when I told them my plan to take a four-hour bus ride south from Kyiv. Their thinking was that a foreigner alone could be a target for robbers. I made the round trip two times, and it was as boring as any such trip would be in America; I had absolutely no worries. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/10/2009 8:04:29 AM   There was a day when, rather than fart around with a taxi, I was going to walk home, across the dam, in Zaporozhye. It was a hot day so, as one does, I stopped en-route for refreshments in the Irish pub where I met up with best friend. When she heard that I intended to walk across the dam she said "no way" as I'd be lucky to reach the other side with my wallet etc. intact. And that's just the crossing of a single stretch of road that is unsafe! Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/11/2009 8:05:50 PM   I just walked across the dam in Zaporozhye with my girl and her daughter at sunset... last week and it was safe... except for the occasional holes in the dam that would allow you to fall through into the river! Just remamber, you can get into trouble in any city... Ukraine or USA. Just follow your instincts and pay attention to the surroundings. Mini Cooper Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/11/2009 8:08:07 PM   spelling... remember Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/11/2009 11:10:29 PM   Well if you smoke and go to the toilet often there is a real danger the bus driver will send the stewardess to chase you out of the toilet half done so he can continue his 15 mile per hour journey. I am with mini Cooper on this. I am not smart enough to be scared. When I was in Dnepropetrovsk I would walk a mile to the Internet cafe at 4 AM to talk to my kids in the US in their evening sharing the sidewalk with only a few groups of wandering boys. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/12/2009 4:04:05 AM   I walked to a KFC and back in SPb, back in February, after midnight and all I was accosted by was the beggers asking for a train fare or whatever. I never suggested that I was scared and it is obvious that, as part of a group, it would be safer to walk than by oneself across a dam, I was told there was a history of attacks on the Zaporozhye dam of people walking by themselves. The topic of this thread is 'is it safe?' and not 'is one scared?' durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/12/2009 4:15:25 AM   Just re-read my post above, where I wrote "two Ukrainian friends from America," which is nonsense... they are from Ukraine, of course, and have lived in America about 10 years. There is a perception in Russia/Ukraine that foreigners traveling alone are at risk, especially in rural areas. I have heard this from enough people, that there must be some pretty big basis for this perception (not saying how accurate it is, just that there is some thread in the culture or history behind it). Maybe I already told this story on another post here - a Russian who was visiting relatives in a city in the Urals was told, "it's dangerous for you to get to our neighborhood alone - we will come get you." Mind you, these were Russians speaking to another Russian. I got this story from another member of this family. Personally, I have only a few minor problems in 10 visits there (a gypsy who came after me quite aggressively, wallet stolen by pickpocket, shakedown by police). 99.9% of the time I feel more secure than in any American city. I have never felt particularly scared, though I once had an anxious 10 or 15 minutes walking on a street at night in a semi-deserted industrial area - I was thinking how vulnerable I could be if a bad actor came my way. Here are my thoughts about personal safety: 1) Try to blend in. 2) Use common sense (if you have any, mine is very small). 3) Think hard before going alone to a rural area. I don't mean taking a bus through the countryside - I mean getting off the bus to go somewhere. 4) The last point is a little tricky: for those of you from America, we have this idea that we know we are in a bad neighborhood, because it has a certain look to it. Maybe this isn't accurate, but at least we THINK we know how to tell a safe place from a dangerous place. In Russia/Ukraine, we CAN'T recognize the bad neighborhoods. They may look exactly like the good neighborhoods. If it helps you to get the picture, imagine that when you are over there, your radar isn't working right. 5) By far your biggest safety risk will be roads and traffic. (This seems to me a much worse problem in big Russian cities than in Ukraine.) If you get killed or wind up in a hospital, it will probably happen on a road - this is a much bigger danger than crime! 6) HIV is spreading rapidly, especially among young people. 'nuff said. Kirkland Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/12/2009 4:15:30 PM   Can't say I've every really been accosted by any unsavoury characters except for the odd drunk asking for money. Instances like these I usually get to employ my favourite response:- "Get to fuck" (delivered in a contolled but aggresive manner). I have little time for scroungers and vagrants and like to let them know it. My girlfriend was mugged in Barcelona subway recently...3 guys. No harm done except a stolen purse and she was a bit shaken. Have to say its a good job I wasn't there. Blend in is good advice, look purposeful and don't hang around alone. If you look intimidating..that usually helps. Meaning:- if you're on the subway and you look like you might cut a bastards throat and kick him onto the tracks, a prospective muggers might think twice. HIV is something to consider at any time, anywhere. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/12/2009 5:32:35 PM   I recall during a time that I lived and worked in Ostend, Belgium for some 2.5 years, Ostend is/was a seaport where the 'English' would come across for a day, get as drunk as was possible, often causing trouble, before returning back to UK the same day. One evening I was walking, between watering holes, with a Swedish guy I worked with, we were conversing in English, when a group of locals 'pounced' on us and questioned if we were English? It was apparent that they wanted to give one, or both, of us a good hiding, obviously over something one or more 'day tripper drunks' had done, but having previously lived and worked in Australia, and picked up the Australian lingo, I replied something to the effect "Geez mate, nah, I'm Oztralian and me mate here is Swedish" and with that they left us alone and wandered off :) It shouldn't be a case of being afraid to venture out but how to deal with a situation when a situation may arise. leonfromkherson Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/18/2009 3:02:16 PM   I guess in any country men can have problems if he - will drink alot in the bar/club with unknown people - will walk (very often dead drunk) in unknown place (I mean not city centre) - will decide to go home from nightclub (especially if it is far from his apt/hotel) instead of taking taxi ... other options? bowhunter Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/23/2009 3:45:14 PM   in my travels I have seen a lot worse places than Ukraine. Bercelona is one of them and a few places in Mexico. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/23/2009 4:24:40 PM   Or any British town/city centre at nighclub kicking out time on a Saturday night / Sunday morning! Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/23/2009 5:33:55 PM   Maybe things have changed but 20 years ago I had a fun experience in Vidalia, Georgia on a hot Saturday night... I went to one of the "juke" joints on the North side of town... sawdust floors and bullet holes in the ceiling. Trying to get in I passed two guys fighting outside and once inside there was a fight every hour to keep me entertained! Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > from donetsk to lugansk, is it safe?
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