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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Asking ladies address? Author Post smartguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/24/2009 8:33:35 AM   Hello, I am asking a question, I noticed some ladies avoid to give their personnal contacts and disappear as soon as I ask. Are they scammers or should I make something wrong? What are your experiences? If they are genuine, when is the best time to ask? Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/24/2009 10:04:14 AM   Depends how soon you are asking. If you're asking after a reasonable time in to the correspondence, and they refuse, make excuses, or disappear, then it's probably because they, or an agency, are merely generating letter witing revenue and, either, the agency are writing the letters without the lady's knowledge or she wasn't that interested in you anyway. baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/24/2009 10:52:09 AM   Yes they are scammers. But I think the first bit of personal information, besides having their personal email address would be their phone number. There may be some real ladies who may be hesitant to have men find out where they live. So once you have the phone number and maybe talk (even if you both don't speak the other language well), then that would the time to ask for the address. Now how will you use the address? I would use it to send a letter to the lady and would not under any circumstance send a gift until you are very serious with each other. devilmaycare Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/24/2009 12:06:59 PM   "I noticed some ladies avoid to give their personnal contacts and disappear as soon as I ask" DEFINATLY scammers. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/24/2009 2:12:07 PM   A scam is a deception, a proven deception. These idiots that shout 'scammer' as soon as a lady may not obey to their demand(s), if one has been scammed then say they have been scammed and how, if the guy hasn't been scammed then he's merely making noise because his male pride has been hurt. Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/24/2009 2:22:02 PM   he was probably referring to ladies that he paid hundreds dollars to read their letters about how much they love him, and then they disappeared when he wanted to meet:) devilmaycare Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/24/2009 2:36:52 PM   Martin you are the most annoyingly pedantic person on planet earth, but I kind of like you anyway :-). I think its reasonable to classify someone who enters into correspondence in order to scam as a "scammer". Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/24/2009 2:50:40 PM   Olga, The laugh is that many of these guys, I've done it myself, will start off writing to 5, 10, 15 or whatever number of ladies and, one by one, will reduce that number of ladies, the guy won't offer explanation to the lady, he will simply drop her and it could be something she said, to develop things further, such as "when are you coming to visit me?" that may prompt him to drop her. But when the guy tries to develop things further such as asking for address and/or phone number, when that lady may be writing to 5, 10, 15 or whatever number of men, and she drops him, well then she must be a scammer! Talk about male chauvenism, more like male heads stuck up male asses! Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/24/2009 6:03:19 PM   devilmaycare, But how has it been established, beyond reasonable doubt, that a lady who drops a guy after him having asked for her address and/or phone number has been corresponding to scam him? It hasn't! beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/24/2009 7:09:20 PM   It is SO interesting hearing the reponses here. Talk about jumping to conclusions...maybe we should ask smartguy which site this is on first. Second, how soon was he asking for contact info and Third, what is girls english level. Not knowing these answers, how can you say a girl is a scammer. Kudos Martin......best to have an open mind here, too many times we(guys)get only one side of a story...lets analayze first, then draw our conclusions. What if these girls are on Fiance? it happened to me when I was here some time ago....are they still scammers???????? Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/24/2009 8:13:38 PM   pedantic "too concerned with what are thought to be correct rules and details, e.g. in language" I had to look at the dictionary to find out what kind of person you were Martin. Don't know why I would try to learn Russian. I do not even know enough English to keep up with the Devil. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/24/2009 8:27:46 PM   Oz, I'm a secret agent you know, just ask beemer, better still ask those tw@ts scooby and ragingbull, long since seen running away with their tails between their legs, so if you must address me then please be correct, it is '007 Pedantic' :) gecko Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/24/2009 9:37:43 PM   establish some chemistry before asking for the digits. don't be too eager. it comes off as desperate and insincere. after all, the point of is to get to know her not get her contact info. websites like this one offer women a safe and anonymous way to weed out the gentleman from the psychos. after 5 exchanges, ask for her number. and then call her immediately. just to say hello. keep it short and witty. then say goodbye. keep them wanting more. remember, real men call on the phone and establish relationship in this way. emails are practically a waste of time. imho. after 5 exchanges if she doesn't give you the digits, tell her to contact you when she is available. then cease conversation until she does. this is not advice. its just what i would do. after many years, i've learned to be efficient. one thing i know is, when a girl likes you, you will know it. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/25/2009 3:24:51 AM   gecko, 5 letters could be 5 days of writing, and the first one or two of those letters would be 'canned' letters, standard intro letters, have two people learned about each other, learned to trust each other, that the guy isn't one on the 90% 'fruit cakes' that write such letters to ladies etc. within perhaps a few days? One cannot put a time frame on it, a number of letters frame on it, it should happen when it feels mutually right and not when he dictates it is right. And don't forget, because all these guys have been reading the same cr@p on the internet, lady profiles and immediately starts correspondence with 20 guys, 5 days/letters later all 20 guys suddenly, out of the blue, ask for her address which she provides, 2 days later 20 bunches of flowers arrive because all 20 guys, still not thinking for themselves, are checking her out because it's something they read on the internet. Lady thinks "These idiots must think I'm stupid"! gecko Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/25/2009 1:21:08 PM   sm, are you under the assumption that women are not as shallow as men? I'm under no such dillusion. There are very few men an attractive girl will find both attractive and interesting. If she likes you, she will be happy to give you her digits after even one conversation. I say after 5 only because its not face to face. Wait any longer, and a ukr girl will think your not interested. Attractive girls expect things to happen rather quickly. And they do! especially in ukraine. it might be 'civilized' in some western countries to be 'friends' first. in ukr, women expect you to be forthright. anyway, thats my opinion. to summarize: email is for p###ys sms is for w####ys phone - real men Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/25/2009 1:28:18 PM   gecko, With all due respect ..... you're off your head! The world, the internet in particular, is a very dangerous place, a pretty lady divulging her address or other contact information to a stranger on the internet could lead to all sorts of problems, perhaps endangering her safety You continue in the belief that you're a 'real man', I'm sure you'll go far. Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/25/2009 4:02:26 PM   I agree with gecko on this, giving ones phone number out so they can talk on the phone is not dangerous to the girl... what could happen... prank phone calls??? This in no way endangers the lady. Smart Martin, gecko never mentioned "divulging her address or other contact information" he simply said "digits" ie:phone number. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/25/2009 4:36:35 PM   Digits could be house/apartment number etc. also. What does digits actually mean? I've got 20 digits, 10 on my hands and 10 on my feet, there you go, I've told you my digits! Perhaps I haven't been referring to gecko in particular but this 'American' nonsense that I have read on the web over the years to demand her address, phone number and send the bunch of flowers nonsense. Those are the one's that are off their heads. Guys, just imagine you've got a 'beauty' of a daughter and all these damn foreigners start demanding her contact information, would you encourage her or deter her? P.S. And I don't have a daughter! Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/25/2009 5:30:29 PM   I hear there are thousands of women over there so I think there are plenty that will give their contact info to the right first impression and the rest can correspond with you other guys. Before the american marriage broker act (law) it was common to purchase the contact info of the lady and the agencies hoped you would not use snail mail but would use their services. Long distance relationships are difficult to say the least. Telephone, Internet, snail mail are all useful tools to attempt to keep it alive. Telephone is limited if you do not know a lot of each others language so it needs to be short and sweet in this case. Cards or little inexpensive gifts are not fast but will be there in most cases in less than 3 weeks. I had good success with candy bars in Russia but almost no success in Ukraine ( I think the mailman ate them). Even a self addressed letter with a Ukrainian air mail stamp will give her the opportunity to send something back to you. None of this is possible if you do not have her info. My wife gave me her info right off and if I needed to do it again I would want available info on ladies I communicated with. So it is not a right and wrong, it is a personal preference just like that character on that other thread wanting big busts and red hair. As for the excuse of the security of the ladies I dare say there is much more danger of meeting a flake through an agency or of the agency itself than by giving their contact info to someone half way around the world. And I stand corrected Martin or "agent 007 Pedantic sir" :-). Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/25/2009 6:05:55 PM   Oz, You're making comparison to an agency scenario. Let us not compare 'evil's', let us compare independent ladies that have, away from any agency, posted their profiles! Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Asking ladies address?
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