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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Another scammer Elena Matsuk(ID: 1104556) Author Post shaz444 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/9/2009 12:41:51 AM   These are my facts with her: Corresponded for over 7 months writing deep emotional & hard letters about my previous experiences with other girls & how bad it has been already with online dating, so she was my last try & she said she won’t let me down. Had 6 – 7 long video chats during the period. Had 10-11 phone conversations. Decided to meet in Odessa ASAP, but I was waiting to cross check her. She was insisting I come immediately. I asked her to let me introduce to her parents, all she said they know about you & they think you are nice man. I asked her for her parents postal address, she said it was broken!!! She hasn’t up till now given the real postal address. I just asked her last Saturday will she sign a legal marriage document when I meet her, she said “I would love to”. Guys I am just trying to warn you do your homework before you make any plans going abroad? So I booked my flight…and Orbitz in Polish airline for $1157 Ukraine visa for $142 rush service. Anastasia Apartments for 11 days for $900 Lawyer in Odessa to process No impediment certificate for marriage to UKR Citizen $180 Travel insurance $50 Car rental for 11 days $650 Guess what was her last letter today when I told her my flight is booked for October 28 flying to Odessa 6:53 pm & reaching Odessa in the morning, I got her letter today saying “I can’t meet you because I have to go with my friend to another country. I hope you understand”. Ok fine emergency do happen, but come on, be rude to me instead keep me hanging on!!! I am human being too???? Ok, now for the costs, I had to cancel everything which I had paid for, I have lost about $900 on cancellation charges but I am still keeping my insurance for a later date. She just didn’t make me come all the way & waste more money OR most important my time!!! Really I have nothing against Russian / Eastern Europeans but this has got me changing my mind about girls from this part of the world. These girls are good at writing letters, that’s what convinced me at first. Our American/Canadian girls might not be that pretty to post profiles on regular/local websites as these girls here are, but really I will go out with any average babe now before I get scammed. This is my second scammer post after Anna Moiseenko on this forum FYI. If there is anything else I will post it later. VNVnation Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2009 11:08:46 AM   Shaz, Not to say "I told you so...", but... I wrote on your thread "Double standards" that: 1. Correspondence means very little until you meet in person. Seven months of deep emotional letters written on a pay-per-letter site like Anastasia--and asking a girl to marry you before meeting--is ridiculous. 2. Dishonest agencies (A-web) want to keep letter-writing going and to discourage meetings. I know a girl who is a "translator" for A-web, but she actually gets paid $1/letter to write fake letters. Your Elena probably gets some percentage of the fee for your video chats and phone conversations. Are you a human being too? To A-web and most of its affiliates, the answer is "no." You're just a stupid foreigner who is paying them lots of money to indulge your fantasy. This has been discussed numerous times here, and on virtually every other RW dating forum. There are real girls on A-web; I know a few and others have met some. But for the most part, the odds of writing to a young, beautiful model-type girl on A-web are too low to invest months of time, money, and emotion. Get a membership here on fiance.com, and write to girls that have private emails. Write to a number of normal women less than 10 years younger than you and find out if anyone has genuine interest. After you have established basic compatibility with a couple of girls, take a trip. Have a backup plan in place with a local agency that can arrange meetings if things fall apart. Don't expect to write to one girl, and then on your first trip marry her. It might happen, but chances are that you will have to take several trips and meet many women, before you meet the right one. shaz444 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2009 11:30:18 AM   Hi VNVnation long time heard from you! Anyway yeah let me know who are the real women on A web ??? This is getting out of control, specially the amount of time invested, I don't care for the money long as there is a positive outcome. It will probably be I have to make a trip to all my scammers & choose DATE ME to have them force to meet me & tell me on my face "YES / NO" to my relations. But what other choice do I have? Yes I will probably end up writing to fiance.com girls. I always have a backup plan, if I go to UKRAINE maaan I will have at least 15 backups in my case!!!!!!!! devilmaycare Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2009 12:00:47 PM   Sorry but there are SO MANY obvious givaways in that profile the girl isnt serious, and shaz you've been on this forum long enough to know as well as anyone. First and foremost is her listed maximum age: 60 !! (for a 25 YO girl) for god sake give me a break. Even if she had said 50 it would have been pretty damning. A girl who is serious will usually put a limit no more that 15-20 years over her own, and usually not a round figure i.e. they will say "46" or "37" rather than "50" or "60". Serious girl do not want the hassle of corresponding with guys outside their genuinely desired age range. Other bad indicators are: Her age, under 25, No kids Never Married RodanTsunami Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2009 1:41:12 PM   Gentlemen, I too have had similar event in my first trip to Ukraine. I suggest holding all means of expendatures until you arrive. Plan to stay in a hotel until you have met and plan to stay in that city. It is true and they will tell you that an apartment is less expensive. Pay by the night if you stay under their arrangements. The automobile rental is something I had not thought of, yet it does allow you control of your movements. The price seems rather high though. Maybe some of the men staying in the Ukraine have other rental agencies known to them. To these agencies it is a business. I have made it clear to those I deal with that I will present them a fine gratuity for the desired result. I pay them a fair price for what is presented to me in good faith. Like you have stated though, time is most valuable. It is for most of us a long and expensive trip,,, if the lady of your attention will not meet you at the airport,,,, get right back in the ticket line. Make a holiday of it in Rome or Paris , but leave skid marks as you leave.......... Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2009 2:02:09 PM   What the hell was Shaz playing at preparing marriage documents fot/to a lady he had never met? Likewise a Ukrainian hire car, has he not seen the state of the roads and the way the lunatics drive? Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2009 3:38:14 PM   Shaz, have you already cancelled everything? If not, I'd recommend still going! I went out to meet two girls I met on here - neither of which worked out. Thing is, I took another agency's details as a back up, met a 27 year old blond stunner, and things are going well. I'm planning to go out again in a month or so to see her. (I'm 34 btw) VNVnation is absolutely right - just get your ass out there as soon as you have a good enough rapport. If it goes wrong, you'll actually save money from avoiding all the wasted letters - plus that old saying 'plenty more fish in the sea' is only useful if you're IN the sea. Nothing to lose! Any town you go to meet a girl in, people on here can tell you a reputable agency nearby, so the backups are easy to arrange. Also, I wouldn't recommend spending too much until you have something certain. You should be able to do a trip for around $2,000 all in. I pay a little less. I could spend more for better apartments etc., but I figure 'go cheap, go often' :) shaz444 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/13/2009 10:26:21 AM   Oh my God, I just got a letter from customer support defending Elena's not to meet up with me, say the girl only flirts with you !!!! : Here is the letter from Helen, the agency admits: Dear Shaz, Thank you for your letters and for your patience. I have to admit that I am slightly confused by what you've written. You've asked us to look into Elena 1104556 and her correspondence with you. I have read some of your correspondence and it seems to me that Elena was nervous about things going too quickly. You seem to like to act quickly but some ladies can be scared off until they have the time to think about it. I think this is what’s happened in your case. Ladies often flirt and are happy to discuss the hypothetical but ladies you meet online are the same as any other lady. When push comes to shove some prefer to back out rather than to see what could happen. I hope that, on reflection, you’ve come to the same conclusion that we have about Elena. Have a great day! Kind regards, Helen, Customer Service administrator Guys 7 months & she insisted I meet up? Who is at fault? Shaz Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/13/2009 12:36:42 PM   Well 7 months could hardly cause any (real) person to be nervous about things going too quickly! Shaz, it is quite apparent that your only relationship was with an agency stooge, the writings would have been to/from an interpreter, for the video they drag her in to accommodate you each time, but as soon as you may be travelling then they disappear in to the blue yonder. But why would she have been demanding you to travel? Please tell Shaz, was your travel being persuaded whilst she/agency were trying to persuade you to allow the agency to arrange apartment, transport, interpreter etc. and might you have declined these agency services? Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/13/2009 1:21:39 PM   shazz444, how much did you spend for video chats? shaz444 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/13/2009 1:22:36 PM   Sorry I have nothing against A Web but this is ridiculous, if I was customer support there is NO WAY I Would say such a comment about the girls on my website to client to begin with. Something is very wrong about the whole online dating scene here??? SCAMMERS SCAMMERS SCAMMERS Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/13/2009 5:22:48 PM   hhaz, Would "A" stand for Anastasia by any chance? Just a thought but has it occurred to you, at any time, to run "anastasia scam" thru Google? P.S. And forget the Google result that links fiance.com , that was some ass talking from exactly that :) gecko Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/13/2009 9:30:52 PM   anastasia web is almost a complete fraud. but demanding to meet the girls parents and that she sign a legal document is a bit psychotic. do you think you can go over there and purchase somebody? it doesn't work that way. frankly, if i was a girl, i would be very frightened of you. you want it so badly, we all do..the ironic thing is that girls like a man who could care less. a man who knows that 'he' is the prize. so don't get to serious too soon. it just comes off as desperate. and nobodies attracted to that. shaz444 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/14/2009 3:03:34 PM   Guys SOMETHING IS VERY WRONG WITH THIS GIRL!!! I created a fake profile of another man & it is free to send 1 letter & read 1 letter back as introductory package from Aweb. So I sent Elena a intro letter from this guy only, She obviously replied back. After 2 weeks I checked his email today & saw a email from Elena to ask this fake profile to CALL HER ANYTIME !!!! I just don't get it??? I HAVE BEEN WRITING TO HER FOR OVER 7 MONTHS & TALKING ABOUT REAL INTIMATE THINGS & MEETING & She decides to flirt with a guy who sends 1 letter to call her anytime??? WHat the hell is going on ??? I don't believe this? Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/14/2009 3:51:37 PM   Google for "Anastasia Scam" for phucks sake, are you reading this thread or just posting to it Shaz? durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/14/2009 4:25:27 PM   @shaz444, who wrote "WHat the hell is going on ???" dude, read colin's thread titled 'Ukraine' You attached yourself to a vampire, which drank some of your blood. I know, it's miserable. Be a good friend to yourself: look at the situation as realistically as you can. Lying is easy, and is very cheap to do. So when lying can bring in money, it makes a very profitable business. I am no expert: there must be hundreds of different dating sites out there. But the network of anastasia sites is truly famous for being terrible: it may be scam central. If you want to continue, I recommend elenasmodels (and I think several other guys would too) -- it certainly has its share of scammers, but has a lot of really credible gals, especially the ones who don't seem "too good to be true." Sorry. baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/14/2009 4:45:51 PM   I HAVE BEEN WRITING TO HER FOR OVER 7 MONTHS & TALKING ABOUT REAL INTIMATE THINGS & MEETING & She decides to flirt with a guy who sends 1 letter to call her anytime??? WHat the hell is going on ??? I don't believe this? How do you know she was a female? You really need to stop and do your homework. You are being scammed. 7 months? Maybe you are not cut out for this? Well, actually maybe you are cut out for this. They love to take your money, these scammers. And you fell in love with pictures. shaz444 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/14/2009 4:50:56 PM   Gecko you are right! marriage wise! Durak she really looks like a vampire if you think of big teeth & dracula mask!!! Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/14/2009 7:23:56 PM   I may be wrong - but I may be right... When someone first suggested to me that I look to Russia to find a good woman I thought he was nuts. Why would I lower myself to try to plunk some destitute lady from an impoverished country. But my reason, or the reason it was suggested to me is because I was finished with all of the B.S. that the "modern American women" posses. Quote from another here. After reading up on the subject I figured maybe I could actually meet someone who had a good head on her shoulders and wasn't ruined already... Enough about that. Except that I had no delusions and wasn't privy to all that went on etc. What I am starting to gather is that there are some who think it is easy pickings. Just sign up for a Russian/Ukraine/whatever dating site and you can take your pick. It is becoming apparent to me that many younger guys (think 30's) believe that it is like ordering from an LL Bean Catalogue. Just go through some of the required phases and bingo -- hot young Russian bride. And now they are discovering the scams. And after they figure out how to not get scammed and are on the trail to real women, it gets harder. These women are not stupid!!!!!! And for the most part not desparate enough to just pick and go with any schmoe who happens along. But they are discovering that there are many stupid men out there. That was not directed at anyone, just a generalization. It must be frustrating for a genuine lady that she puts up with what some guys feed her on the dating sites. After they (men)get scammed their attitude changes and they suspect everyone and it shows. This is not an easy task. And it ain't cheap either. Do your homework fellas. A person of average intelligence should never get scammed. But there are trusting souls who do. Take it for what it is and move on. Call it gaining experience. Still much cheaper than an average college education in the good ol' US of A. gecko Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/14/2009 8:22:13 PM   the bottom line is: if a girl likes you, i mean really likes you, she will make certain you get her phone number. If she is indifferent to you, she will do everything through the dating agency. She probably has an understanding with the dating agency to communicate with people she is not interested in. in this way, the dating agency makes money. also, if she plays the game, the DA will allow her to give her actual phone no. to men she is sincerely interested in. 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