O.K. I am new to this site and I see a lot of negative BLA BLA about FSU women. I was wondering if I could get some positive input from anyone that has had an enjoyable and lengthy relationships with a Ukrainian woman. I seem to have found a needle in a haystack so to speak and I can not for the life of me find any reason not to follow my heart. I have gone to length to actually try and scare her away and she does not waver. Have you ever picked up the phone to call someone and the phone rings and it"s the person you were going to call? Strange but I can"t explain the connection with her. I was married for 15 years to a good woman and have no hangups about marriage. I actually miss it.( marriage that is). I have vowed to not make the same mistakes in communicating ones need and desires to there partner. My friend is anxious to meet me so I have made plans to visit in February. I know it will be cold but could it really be any colder than say Wyoming in December? ( I think not) She has assured me that I will not be cold. Is it possible to find love so quickly? We have been brutally honest with one another as to expectations and individual concerns for relationships. Leaving family,friends and country behind. So please wish me luck and any positive input will noted.
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Well at the risk of stating the obvious - try not to get emotionally involved with someone you havn't yet met face to face. Also its a long hike to Ukraine for you so I would highly recommend having the contact details of a couple of other ladies as a backup.
Oh great, and me scheduled to land in Kiev in two weeks! :D
Hope it all evens out a little before I get there..........
I'm going there to get a 'feel' for Ukraine, talk some business, and actually meet someone I've been corresponding with. Might do the "backup" thing, but I'm not really going there to cement any relationships, so I'll probably hold off.... just want to get a feel for it....
I can go back again in March/April when the weather is nicer... and all the right reasons exist to go there.
That is of course, assuming the president is wrong, and they aren't all DEAD by then! psh...........
The way Obama is talking, we might all be dead too.... woo hoo! Party at Ground Zero? :P
Things are very "locked down" in West Ukraine.
Markets - schools - cinema - all public activities suspended and region in quarantined.
I really believe its a Rada beat-up. We were going to Lvov for a meeting on business, but it looks like that’s off now. People are wearing masks around outer Kiev today and all the Customs people had masks on yesterday in Borispol.
I've been hanging out in Russia and Ukraine for more than 3 weeks now, in now in Kyiv. Almost from the start, I saw a few people here and there with their faces covered -- on Friday, it was suddenly hundreds of people. I heard just today that almost all schools and universities have been ordered closed for at least 3 weeks.
Of course, most people are going about their business as usual. But apparently, there were very alarmist reports on TV. Before I left, I read that public health officials in New York City estimated that more than 10% of the population had already gotten H1N1. For most people, it's just a bad cold.
However, it has seriously messed up my trip. Several of the women I met or wanted to meet were affected by being sick, their child being sick, or both. It made scheduling very difficult.
Highballit, I sincerely wish you luck! Probably, you have found the real deal. The way I recommend thinking about this, you have already had some communication and developed some relationship. Meeting will mean taking it to another level. The more realistic we can be about what's happening, the better.
No it is not possible. For some reason, guys find someones 'words' mean more than they actually do, it is just one more way of communication. Hard to mess up writing letters, you can erase, change wording........make it just right. On the other hand meeting another...the real you comes out when you both open your mouths...no way to say it right...just comes out right or wrong and first impressions are made plus chemistry/attraction is there or it is not.
Kiev in February..brrrrrrrrrrrrr......expect snow on the ground. Dress up in big thick jacket, benie/hat,gloves, thermals..oh the wool scarves for your face.
0 C + or - a few -- just like most places though, could be colder or warmer -- bet on colder. You can always take off but you can't put on what you don't have. Better to have a raincoat when it is not raining than to not have one when it is pouring... Same goes for woollies...
thank you ppl for your input i will take it all into account. as for not meeting, she and i spend hours and yes i mean hours on skype video together. she wakes up at 2am just to see me:). she speaks english well and we have had only minor communication issues usually something taken out of context. i have never been a player so i don"t believe i will be having a backup girl or girls, i choose to fore go the negative karma, it seems to ruin for me the whole purpose. it would say to me if the rolls were reversed that i lack commitment and sincerity. i prefer to live my life out loud and take the risk. (no risk no reward) besides if you focus the energy on a particular relationship instead of many than it will develop stronger and faster. i have only just begun the journey. truth is none of us plan to fail we only fail to plan.
might be no harm get the swine flu vaccine b4 u go if you can, its available here all right recommended for the old and the young, but hey i cant imagine to be stuck in ukraine with that flu, I doubt theyd let u near a airplane, and end up in a hospital ,what a diaster.
Bowhunter, I am new to this forum, however, I have just recently returned from the Ukraine, in mid October. I too was told it would be cold, however, being a Canadian, from the so called land of ice and snow, I wore a jacket for maybe one evening, due to rain. In late march I plan on a return trip, and am told that it is very warm during that time. Like you said, the temperatures are no worse than those of Wisconsin in the winter, in fact I am sure you will find it quite enjoyable. Reading one of your ealier posts, I can identify with alot of what you have written. The women are very loyal, and unlike their Western counterparts, want to feel your affection and care, not only verbally but also physically and through gifts. They will never ask of anything other than your attention and care. Despite all the negative correspondence one hears of these women looking for a way out of their country, is all due to a couple of bad experiences. These women are very proud of their heritage and very loyal to their country, so to marry a man from abroad, they have put much thought and effort into doing so. Don't let loneliness and the desire to have a partner next to you cloud any decisions, but, make the trip, you will enjoy every minute of it, even if you and your lady do not connect in the manner in which you, or she desires. Good luck.
'They will never ask of anything other than your attention and care'
who is 'they'? all you know is your few experiences. don't be boorish and pretend like your an expert. obviously many people have had different experiences than you. just because you have rose colored glasses doesn't mean that some other decent men didn't get royally screwed. Ukraine's a vultures nest, but when its good, its really good. and thats why we keep trying.
highbalit,
i would definitely recommend going in the winter time. your girl will appreciate it. and if things don't work out, you can go to some of the agencies and arrange dates. i don't think their is much competition this time of the year. or try out some night clubs yourself. i hear shooters is a good place to meet people.
"They will never ask of anything other than your attention and care."
I guess that you didn't get to know any of the ladies very well. Sounds like you bought in to the standard agency line about why Ukrainian ladies make ideal wives.
As far as February in Ukraine....well, I lived there through the last winter. Some nights were really freezing. I remember driving into the city one night in January around 4am. The driver stopped for a cigarette and I thought I'd step out of the car and get some air. I lasted about 10 seconds out of the taxi. I felt like I was breathing shards of ice.
But overall it wasn't that bad. Real grey and depressing, though. I think I saw the sun only once. The days were about four hours long. (St. Petersburg and Moscow in winter are much worse, however.) The best thing was that there were fewer obnoxious foreigners.
I wonder what happened to highballit? The last we heard from him, he was told the L word.
Did everyone remember to call or send flowers today for Valentine's Day? Funny thing about my woman. She will not hang up the phone first. She can say "Paca" dozens of times and I have to hang up on her.
flowers and fruit basket arrived today at noon local time.
RB- interesting observation that they won't hang up the phone first. Same goes for skype and etc...
I did get internet greeting cards today. But I didn't check email until after we spoke. She never even asked if I received them...
Now if I didn't have to spend another eight hours trying to remove ice from roof gutters today I could relax and watch skiing on the imported snow in Vancouver. Many roads in my neighborhood are still one lane. And still almost 18" of snow on roof in some places. I think I'd rather be in Russian than here right now.