Thought I would start this to keep those of you scheduled or intending to arrive into Ukraine over this next few weeks.
The word pandemic is slightly on the heavy side I imagine, but it’s what’s been pushed via the political media machine. I do hope it is over hyped for political gain and not truly a case of perhaps poorer communities etc in the grip of a flu that can be fatal to the weak and impoverished that also may already be suffering from poor conditions or health.
I will post local news articles and we will have to wait and see if it is as serious as they are inferring. If it is as serious as they are saying via the media, then it could pose problems to those of us here or those who due to arrive.
As one member has already mentioned – his meetings were effected etc.
People are definably running scared, masks on and Chemist/Medical shops with people lined up out the doors etc. The two main Leaders ( PM and President) seem to be competing for airspace on the subject, so I do have my suspicions ??
Pandemic (H1N1) 2009, Ukraine
On 28 October 2009, the Ministry of Health of the Ukraine informed that Ternopil, Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, and Chernivtsi regions had an unusually high level of activity of acute respiratory illness in the western part of the country, associated with an increased number of hospital admissions and fatalities.
As of 30 October 2009, over 2,300 individuals have been admitted to hospital, including over 1,100 children. One hundred and thirty one (131) cases have required intensive care, including 32 children. As of 31 October 2009, a total of 38 fatalities associated with severe manifestations of ARI have been registered. Preliminary epidemiological data analysis indicates that severe cases and deaths primarily occur among previously healthy young adults aged 20 – 50 years.
Wow Maxirat, in a matter of a couple weeks it went from nothing to an pandemic????
I was there and saw nothing of what you described. I get the feeling this is merely a scare tactic
to look at the right hand while the left hand is in the cookie jar. Talk is very cheap.
It is always something there...from the orange revolution to the politicl unrest to econonmic crisis to now swine flu. As far as i know this flu affects mainly the very young or the very old unless the population is malnourished and weak.
Out of curiosity, who is paying for this masks or medicine???
By the way, thanks for the updates when you are in Kiev.
To reinforce a little bit, what I posted on another thread, the change in Kyiv was very abrupt! My observation of people wearing masks (or using a scarf or the neck of a sweater/coat as an improvised mask) probably increased between 10 to 50 times, between Thursday and Friday.
Because I have met a number of single mothers of young children (this is a demographic in which I am hunting), I am mindful of the terrific disruption that will be cause by 3+ weeks of school closures.
I suspect that beemer is on target -- this seems to be such an overreaction, perhaps it is a political ploy, to distract attention from other problems in Ukraine. Some of the posters on this forum love to complain about the US and UK governments -- I'm curious what their slant would be after living here, or in Russia, for 5 or 10 years...
Yes indeed; lets all wear a paper mask. That will stop a pandemic in its tracks.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anything...but I have to ask the question....how many people die of "normal" flu every year anyway?
I read figures of between 250,000 and 500,000 worlwide.
"Four doctors died of flu in Ukraine's Ternopol and Lvov regions, Health Minister Vasily Knyazevich said at the Sunday meeting of the operative headquarters for the prevention and treatment of A/H1N1 flu.
"Every doctor entering an ICU or a room where patients in severe condition are staying must take care of one's security. Meanwhile, the state must provide doctors and nurses with everything they need," he said.
The ministers asked researchers to make an A/H1N1 flu forecast.
An international delegation of experts will come to Ukraine on November 2 for helping resolve the cold and flu problem."
It is bad, i came back from Ukraine in september and i had real bad cold/flu for about 5 weeks after. Girlfriend told me yesterday that all schools and uni's will be closed to protect the young. Sounds like it has mutated into a different varient of swine flu and much more dangerous.
Well there is a flu epidemic in Ukraine now, but it isn't worse than it was last year or the year before. Every year more than 1000 people here die because of colds and pneumonia. Politicians made the havoc because there are President elections in some months. There is nothing to worry too much.
The government overreacted to an outbreak of the swine flu in Ukraine to give competitive advantage to Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko at the next presidential election.
The panic triggered by the government’s decision to declare the outbreak a major threat, has served to overshadow recent scandals involving Tymoshenko loyalists, Arseniy Yatseniuk, the No. 3 most popular presidential candidate, said.
“This is in fact part of the political campaign,” Yatseniuk said in an interview with ICTV. “The main thing is to get the presidential office. All efforts and resources have been thrown for this.”
At least 71 people, in western regions of Ukraine, were killed by the swine flu over the past three weeks, but the death toll figure has been apparently hovering around levels usually caused by seasonal flu.
Oleksandr Bilovol, a deputy healthcare minister, said Monday the outbreak has been essentially contained in 11 out of 25 Ukrainian regions, with the number of people only 15% exceeding figures reported in previous years.
“Figures in other the regions are in line with 2007 and 2008,” Bilovol said.
The Tymoshenko government on Friday declared the outbreak as the threat of the third level – the highest possible – to unlock spending of up to 3 billion hryvnias to combat the swine flu.
Other measures included shutting down schools and public gatherings for three weeks across Ukraine, with the government also considering introducing restrictions on movement of people between the regions.
The measures, some of the sternest in the world, come in sharp contrast with other Eastern European countries that face similar challenges, analysts said.
Margaret Chan, the director general of the World Health Organization, which tracks the swine flu internationally, sees the pandemic as “moderate” in severity with the overwhelming majority of patients experiencing only mild symptoms and a full recovery, often in the absence of any medical treatment.
Yatseniuk said the ban on public gatherings spreads fear and panic helping Tymoshenko to promote herself on television, while hindering other presidential candidates to campaign.............
.....................“Why did the outbreak take place in four western regions? Because there are four battleground regions for the electorate,” Yatseniuk said.
He said the panic spread by the government helps to put aside issues that are politically damaging to Tymoshenko, including the pedophile and the murder scandals involving Tymoshenko lawmakers, and Ukraine’s dismal economic performance caused by mismanagement.
“Now, look what happened,” Yatseniuk said. “Does anybody talk about the pedophile scandal? No. Maybe somebody talks about Lozynskiy [a Tymoshenko lawmaker accused of shooting a person to death]? No. Maybe somebody talks about wages? No. Maybe somebody talks about four million unemployed? No. Maybe somebody talks about unpaid natural gas bills? No.”
“People that are in fear, that are poor, are easier to be manipulated,” Yatseniuk said. “This is what the state apparatus is aimed at – manipulating the people.”
I was going to recommend the W.H.O. and the embassy website as sources of information. But as maxirat points out it is more of a scare tactic than anything else. It is real but not as bad as made out to be. I thought the USA was the only place that used this sort of thing for a knee jerk reaction. And some wonder why many of the 'girls' are so shifty... It starts at the top in this culture. Just an opinion of course.
As for the "tammy flu" capsules. They are not to be used as a deterrent for the flu. Their use is symptomatic based. You should only take these if you are already experiencing flu symptoms. Taking them a week before you go somewhere thinking it will prevent you from 'catching' the flu is wrong thinking. The doctor who prescribes them for you should give clear instructions on the purpose and use. But I am going to wear my paper mask as I fly across the Atlantic :) And I have a supply of tamiflu capsules just in case. Hopefully I can get the vaccine too.
I'm heading for the Black Sea regions of Southern Russia late in December.
If I take a hundred masks, do you think I could get a buck a piece for them?