Santiago,
I usually do not like to talk about my story because a relationship is a marathon and not a sprint. There is still so much that can happen through the years, but I feel that I found myself a winner. And if I am able to succeed, I will be breaking most rules of dating Russian women, especially because she is in her 20s and I am in my 40s.
It was not easy to get here for me. I always knew what I wanted and I was disappointed many times. At times I was even frustrated and ready to give up. However, I persevered because I knew that somewhere there was a great girl for me who would consider me perfect for her. I think that I found her.
Despite all my disappointments I consider myself lucky because I was never scammed. Some tried to do it, but I discovered their schemes pretty quickly and steered away from them ... and when I was bored I even played along as a form of entertainment. I wanted to learn as much as possible about their schemes in order to avoid being fooled when I was not paying attention.
My disappointments were mainly related to differences between Internet and reality. Some girls seemed fantastic on paper, but in person they left much to be desired. But my secret was to take every situation as a learning experience and apply each new lesson to my following try.
And do not think that my current relationship was any easier. Distance is brutal on relationships and my story is no different. But despite that, once she arrived here and we started sharing the day-to-day, the future became clearer and we now have great hopes for the future ... together.
I do not these people personally nor have I ever met them. But a friend of mine is very aware of my adventures. Just last week he told me he knows a couple that has been together for ten years in the US. He married a Russian woman - I don't know if it was through a dating site that they me. They have two children and remain very happy. She did not speak word one of English when she first came here. My friend laughs about when they would go out to dinner or to clubs together what a time they had because she did not understand any English - some funny circumstances. She now speaks perfect English and has adapted very well to life here. As was mentiioned elsewhere on the forum, it takes an exceptional woman to be successful to relocate to another land and start a 'new' life. It also takes an exceptional man to first find such a woman and then to have the patience to help her adjust. My lady and I have discussed the risks we are taking many times. But the most profound statement she has ever uttred to me is, "Yes, but I will be totally dependant on you." Meaning that her English is still not great. I realize it is simple converstional even though when she signed up for an English class she was graded a '3'. Where I live there is no public transit. She must get a driver's license. etc... It will be challenging to say the least.
So Santiago, evaluate your motives and if you are willing to do the leg work. Some have been 'searching' for several years. The only real advice I can offer is to keep it real.
It's nice to see that, despite all the warnings uttered on this forum (paranoid or not), some guys have actually had success and have found the right woman. An encouraging feeling for all of us who have had some unfortunate experience with a lady, either in our home contries or elsewhere.
And I now know whose threads to pay closer attention to: thanks, FSULover and Ralph.
Well, 5 of my female friends are married to foreigners and are very happy in the USA, Germany and Australia. I have also 2 of them who are going out at the moment. Only 1 of them met her fiance with the help of an agency. Others met through the social sites or as people used to meet before the Internet was Invented. I have only 2 of my foreign friends who married Ukrainian girls, 1 of them did it with the help of an agency. And I know 5 guys being in the romantic (chocolate and flower) stage of their relationships. 1 of them met his woman with a marriage agency, others - in the streets, clubs cafes and Ukrainian social sites. And I was told about some other men who really found their couples with marriage agencies.
And another observation - all of these people met partners of similar age (5-7 years difference).
I am sure that the main problem of any man who cannot find his woman is his demands that don't correspond the reality.
I will offer this: Last year when I told a friend I was through with women - don't need to get into details - he suggested I find a "russiqan Bride". I scoffed at the idea. Especially when he told of a co-worker he knew a few year back that married a girl from a dating agency. But, she is leaving hime after a few years. And then I discover this was his second russian wife. I was told he said ...'no problem, I'll just get another one... " And after hearing that I wanted nothing to do wih it. But after some thought and looking into it after I was told there are possibilities I gave it a try.
My sister works with a lady from Russian who married an American. I don't know the details but she is accomplished after a few years here. And my sister did no know of my 'secret' that I was dating a woman from russia. My mom spilled the beans when she started making wedding plans. And I am discovering after sharing this with others that there are many successful marriages between Americans and Russians. I do not know the details, but it is encouraging.
I did not expect to meet a woman who was everything I ever dreamed of. It started out as a novelty but an inquisitive venture. The stars lined up and I met someone who joined the same site as I did. And it is amazing that now it seems we have known each other forever. It actually seemed that way back in March. Today I get Christmas cards in Russian on internet. When I said to her yesterday, learn that to say 'Merry Christmas' will be a common greeting this time of year --- she logged onto a site to enrole and send greeting cards.
Mr. Santiago, If you are a good man, seek a good woman and have real and honest expectations then I think you should continue in your search. As Mr. Bonddd hs shared - and I don't think many guys get this - you have to have real expectations if you want to have a real relationship with a woman. Sure some guys want the younger girl for whatever reason. But if you are truly seeking a life partner to share life with, keep it within the limits of a reasonable age difference. This is someone who you expect to be with when you are 75/80 years old.
My age difference is 29 years. Have been married for 18 months and now working on an Australian residents visa. We dated for 4 years. I met her on my second trip via a free Russian language dating site. Never used a marriage agency because I wasnt interested in marriage at that time. If you cant spend the time on the ground why bother, relationships take work and time. My advice is only date English speakers unless you have good Russian skills. Do learn the alphabet and some basic language as it helps immensely. I dont know a lot of Russian but can understand a lot of written Russian because much of the language has the same roots. If you are not aiming for a lot better than what you can find at home, whats the point? I find being mature and tolerant that comes with age puts me in much better stead to relate with a younger woman. Of course Im sensational in bed as well which helps.
I'd say my relationship is a success; she is here and we are to get married on the 31st.
Everything is wonderful for both. Do some searching for my past posts and you can read our entire story.
Everything will seem a scam because you are:
Looking on the wrong sites.
Looking only at pictures.
Are not serious.
Are not interesting to them.
Are not capable of corresponding and relating to them who you are.
Are not willing to invest the time and money.
Do not have your own requirements known.
Play games with them.
Are not serious.
cool both of you -- we are already 'engaged' so to speak -- I am going to present a ring on the 4th at dinner at her mother's house, also her son's birthday!
Ralph29, how will you present the ring? I will be in a suit and tie and on one knee. I have a special message that I have been writing and re-writing... trying to finalize it but it changes every day! Perhaps I'll just "wing it" from the heart... Good luck and I wish you happiness in life and success in your quest!
Re: Hanna menshykava
This woman is a very good friend of ours.
We take a very dim view of the derogitory postings about her on this site.
She is much maligned here and we aim to clear her name and restore her dignity.
Mini Cooper, I actually haadn't even thought about it. We discussed rings etc. There is a very cool ring I want but it is custom made. the compnay sends you several surrogate rings in the post to try on and get the best fit. Then the ring is custom forged and engraved. When I realized this was impossible because you buy the ring it's yours. I told her we would wait for any kind of ring thing. And I also said, 'Well Russians don't have "engagement" rings. And her response was - and this is great - "Well since we are getting married in America I want to follow American tradition." Translated ---"You better buy me a diamond ring!" But I told her we would wait until she was here. It will be quite a surprise. So to answer the question ...... ;;;;;;;/ ? I suppose I will ask her mom if she will be happy that her daughter marries me and assure her that her daugher is in very good hands. Then throw the ring box across the table to her --- how romantic? Something along those lines but I will place...
Mini Cooper, I actually haadn't even thought about it. We discussed rings etc. There is a very cool ring I want but it is custom made. the compnay sends you several surrogate rings in the post to try on and get the best fit. Then the ring is custom forged and engraved. When I realized this was impossible because you buy the ring it's yours. I told her we would wait for any kind of ring thing. And I also said, 'Well Russians don't have "engagement" rings. And her response was - and this is great - "Well since we are getting married in America I want to follow American tradition." Translated ---"You better buy me a diamond ring!" But I told her we would wait until she was here. It will be quite a surprise. So to answer the question ...... ;;;;;;;/ ? I suppose I will ask her mom if she will be happy that her daughter marries me and assure her that her daugher is in very good hands. Then throw the ring box across the table to her --- how romantic? Something along those lines but I will place...
I am not big on using internet for a lot of things. Internet is full of news/information/advice and a host of other available information, or more so information that is pushed down your throat.
There is only one thing I absolutely believe to be true about the information I receive over the internet. And that is that I believe 99 % of it is total bullshit!. Or rather, I don't trust very much of what I read about on the internet. Or the newspapers... People can argue all they want, say this, say that etc...
Just look at how the American people were duped into voting for a person who is absolutely unqualified to be president of the United States and weakening our country etc... The average person is an idiot.
my point? who is Hanna menshykava ?? Is she just some regular person or a celebrity? Well obviously she is a celebrity on dating sites. And if this lady was just an ordinary person, why would her name pop up and have several people know her? If this woman was just an ordinary person, why would there be a 'we' who know this person and want to clear her 'good' name? Why must her dignity be restored? I do not know her, what was said about her or where she comes from or what she does or her affiliation with this site or others. I just find it interesting that someone came on this forum and asked about a lady. Then others chime in knowingly - or not. It seems this name is known by several people. Now, why do you feel the need to rescue this woman's good name? Does this forum carry that much weight in the CIS, Ukraine or other places? Is the government looking into her dealings because her name was mentioned on a forum? Did she lose her job or did this affect her job? The only possible way it could is if meeting men on dating sites is her job. Then yes, I can see that it would affect her job. And now I must know, since you know this woman and she is a friend of yours, why are you monitoring a forum for men on dating? It seems strange that you would even know about this. Call me naive. Unless it is a popular pass time in Russia or Ukraine to look on dating site forums, what is your business checking out a forum and hoping to restore the dignity of a lady that probably 0.00000000001% of the world population even knows exists? The only explanation I can almost believe is that whoever you are you have an interest in this lady as a source of income. OR, you genuinely care about this woman and want to defend her honor... but for what purpose as explained a few sentences ago.
So mini cooper thinks she is a whore... he claims to be sorry that he is capable of an opinion... nothing new here given his previous postings
Well on a more serious note... how is it that a person can venture that far to end up pissed all the time and smoking himself to death in the company of a beautiful non smoking woman, telling her he wants to start a family??? don't think the baby likes your smoking somehow!!! and wishing to get her into the sack to prove his point and proposing marriage to her after 5 days of coarse and disrespectful meeting.
no wonder he was rejected... come on guys time to get real and learn some respect
as she says... he was from america and he thought we lived in the woods and bears walked the streets
he didn't like the prices here... so our advice... piss off home and don't return... we don't want you here...
So hanna menshykava friend ,
How do you explain that she ask 80 euro a day for an appartment , 2 times 160 euro for a taxi and spend 700-900 euro a week just for some food , a few drinks and a piece of cake in a café and also ask for presents for herself .
if you are such a good friend , i think you know the prices there .I go to a restaurant and eat for a little more of the price of a beer .Ralph is right , meeting men and take advantage of them is her job .how do you explain that she meets so much men , if you have a job you don't have so much vacation .She has you very good in her pocket . Or are you hanna , or anja , or anya ,or ania , or anuta herself .She has many names and e-mail adresses .E-mail adresses i can understand , but why she uses so many fornames , strange .
Hello U791106 and welcome to our dabate.
We are glad to hear from you, but don't really understand your point here... If you want proper and intelligent dialogue you will need to substantiate your claims... So let's begin with some facts. You make many insinuations about her and clearly you want to lock horns. But we will disregard your postings about her and move onto the next one prepared to take up the challenge unless you provide the discussion with some factual evidence to support the accusations you make. Listed below in the order you present them:
1... "and also ask for presents for herself" ??
2... "and spend 700-900 euro a week just for some food" ??
3... "meeting men and take advantage of them is her job" ??
4... "explain that she meets so much men" ??
In answer to your question about "so many names"...
We know her as Anja, she likes this more than her birth name Hanna