Anja knows that she was a topic of discussion because I wrote her. Her friend quite probably knows nothing of this forum or dating sites. Yet he felt compelled to speak for her. I only knew her in writng nearly 2 years ago. So don't believe there is a large business venture that is watching every move on this lady. It was only chance that we three has dealing with this woman. I did not even make the "cut" to be invited to meet her. For the one man left standing without backing up on his harsh words, is it because I was not good enough for her to take the chance or am I just not seen a fool. You must declare that, even if only in your own mind.
The following is a letter I wrote to Anja last evening:Dear Anja:
You have a friend that has posted on the site that the men you knew posted on. While I understand that your friend is trying to restore your reputation, these men are in fact bitter and nothing your friend says after he has made his objections will help. They turn on themselves as well. To continue to respond to these boars only keeps your name on the front page. My advice is to contact the Forum Moderator and ask to have your name removed from the posting. Just as we men must be cautious of those we correspond with you too must have caution. They are in fact childish and they took there chances in gaining your favor and lost. One of those men posted after you contacted him and I think his words mitigated much of the damage he caused. I think that he was truly sorry that he posted and also that he failed in making a good impression on you (especially his drinking I think). The other man will never listen to reason. I doubt he has similar pictures to the ones that you sent me when you were at the water park. He is foolish because he tried to buy you and not lead you to a pleasant place that could make you as happy as you looked in those photos. Leave this man behind you, go about your life in the new year and I wish you the best in life and love. Any reasonable man will know that you have a life and that to win your heart they will have to court you. I knew myself that there was a man behind the camera in the photos you sent me. I also know he is not there now. He was lucky for the time and now you search for someone else and I wish you luck. I respect your friend for standing for you and so do many others there, though I am probably the only man that can or will contact you personally
P.S. If you wish, I will post this letter on the site, but only with your asking me to do so
I have only one thing to add. When a man goes into a depressed economy and expects that his few dallars or pounds will give power and respect he is sadly mistaken. It is in fact the same as looking in a mirror and the reflection comes back, but reversed. The temptation to throw money out to win favor and then return home alone is just as though it was in a casino and your money was lost at the tables. In my first letter to Anja to tell her she was spoken badly about, I told her of the example used in which something was purchased and she kept the change, which was about a dollar and pennies. I joked with her and told her if she had done that with me, I would have had fun taking it back from her and then spent more on her a moment later. Still I would have made my own arrangements or accepted what she made. Unless she emptied your wallet as you slept, you had control of your money,,, just not your emotions and or ego.........
I hope that the Moderator will take note of this as well and "Change the names to protect the innocent" and the "Foolish
First of all , i did not want to buy her .She excist she hire an appartment for me for 60 to 80 euro a day .anybody here find it a normal price . I know now it is not .Do you find it normal that she takes my money for my nose out of the bankautomat .One day she told , today we gonna buy a present for me , you do want to buy for me . I did not say that before .I have no problems with a rejection , but when they are playing and saying that she loves you and spend my money is another thing .I know my experience with her , and if she has the right to play with me , i have the right to save other men for her games for your money .Just before me she meat a man that she was gonna marrie and one or a few weeks later she loves me .I do not tell story's , it or facts and if no one believe me , OK , go and meet her . She is very beautifull sweet and kind , but i know wath is gonna happen with you , succes .It is a wolf in sheepclothes .When you meet her son , you will see how she teaches him her lesson , i wonder what that boy must think of his mother .Her mother is also in her game .They all live from the money of the men she can catch .I don't care about the money , but it is not a pleasure when someone play games with someone's feelings .
Hanna menshykava friend , i do not think you know her so good , maybe you are her next victim .But Ok if nobody want to believe me , it is your choise .
I don’t think Miss Menshykava is quite the innocent that her friend and possible suitor paints her to be.
That said calling the woman a whore is way below the belt. I’m surprised the moderators allowed that particular post.
The woman in question here is just trying to do what she think is right for her. Maybe she is going about it the wrong way as far as guys on here are concerned, maybe the guys she has met so far haven’t cut it and go home with broken heart or bitter memories.
In any case; after all is said and done, she has probably ended up the victim here having her name dragged through the mud.
I have to say tho that the Rodan tsunami posting is pretty pathetic. If you want to find a way into a woman’s pants you’ll have to man up better than that whining drivel.
This woman wants a man; if you travel 5000 miles to meet her and you get turned down or feel “scammed” that’s your problem.
Complaining about it on a public forum lets everyone else know you’re a loser.
If you want to use Hanna Menshykava as an example of fsu womanhood then she is probably as good as any.
E.G. This woman is gorgeous, given her command of English …probably very intelligent too. Woman like that are worth the effort to meet. If she’s turned off by your boorish behavior then take a look at yourself and your reasons for being in this endeavor.
Maybe she’s a pro-dater, but even a pro-dater will fall for the right man.
If your not the right man don’t go whining about it..just man up..try again
"Thou protesteth to much" you were always in control of your finances, you just couldn't say "No" You let have her way and that is what some men want and what some women are looking for. I don't know either of you well enough to know. You wouldn't stand a chance with Paris Hilton and I wouldn't even try. There are two kinds of men, those that need a "Mary Ann" and those that need a "Ginger". You just need to figure which one you need and hope you are up to the task. You say she is "Ginger" and yet you want her to be "Mary Ann". You knew in just a few moments she was not for you and if it is what you say, if you would have challenged her actions she would have known just as quickly you weren't for her. You did't bring her home and find the house empty.........Hey! That was me long ago with my "Mary Ann" I mean "Ginger".
I think it was the great poet Sherwood Schwartz, one of the greatest philosophers in Western Civilization. It was he who was able to put to pen the qualities needed of the world leaders of today. His perception elevated the institution of Harvard and created the model that our great leader became, "A Harvard Man". He has in effect changed the world. But I am only one of the proletariat and cannot understand the the premise of "Presentation over Substance". You see, I am just a man, seeking my own,,,, "Mary Ann".
Getting back to the original poster of this thread, YES there are actually success stories but you really wouldn't know on this forum. I haven't been back here in years and reading a few threads I remember why. I have been married 3 years now. Most of the "experts" on this site predicted after a year or two it would be done. Still married, very happy in my relationship.
First of all take advise people give you with a grain of salt. Because 99 times out of a 100 its worthless bs. Like any other relationship, it takes time and work on both ends. Remember there are winners and losers in life and that goes for any subject and you all know that. If you cant weed through all the horseshit on the net and if you think shes going to come nicely packaged to your front door then think again.
#1- its going to cost alot of money and travel time
#2- If there is no chemistry from the first face to face meeting then forget it, move on.
#3- if you have no common sense to spot a scammer then give up now, your done.
#4- Do not take any advise from anyone you do not know or trust, because there is only ONE person looking out for your best interests - YOU!
"I have been married 3 years now. Most of the "experts" on this site predicted after a year or two it would be done."
"#4- Do not take any advise from anyone you do not know or trust, because there is only ONE person looking out for your best interests - YOU!"
Thanks for that, crashnsplash. The "experts" in here are sure their way is the right way with all the failure around them, including their peers. I am careful in divulging any information about my relationship that they can take target practice with. This is the most important decision in my life. It will determine the course of the rest of my life.
Yet, these experts think they know better than me. They don't know all the information. Yet, they run with what they have and then make up things to make their point. When you don't follow their rules, they go after you as someone who doesn't comprehend.
I now go to this forum to get ideas, not advice. Also, to help those who might need it.
I have had a positive experience, but when I posted it on this forum, I was flamed. It works if you have the right intentions and do your homework. The woman you meet has to be sincere as well. Enough said.
Why shouldnt it work? The women are different, different cultures, values etc. Men and women are fundamentally different anyway! Why not post threads on here of relationships that didnt work out in your own country? Its no different. There is no reason on earth that 2 people from different countries should not work. It might be more difficult, but often these difficulties bind a relationship together. If you both respect each other, make the effort for each other and love and care for each other, why would it not work? It would be interesting to hear from the people with "bad experiences" how succesfull they have been in their own country! Maybe it is not the woman who is at fault after all.
I really don't think you should give up, it's a difficult road to travel, as you're obviously aware, but, the rewards WHEN you ARE successful will be almost euphoric !
I would like to share my story with you, if I may..........
I began this "journey" in the summer of 2007. I used the dreaded Globaladies then to meet a girl in Kherson (didn't work out) and spent a fair amount of money paying for letter writing and reading. I discovered this Forum around that time too, and after my first ever trip to Ukraine I stopped using Internet sites to "meet" women. In 2008 I just came to Ukraine, Kiev and Rivne, met a girl, and had an 8mth relationship, to the point where we were very close to getting her a tourist Visa for the UK. In Feb of 2009 the relationship broke down, and we split. In May and also July of '09 I returned to Rivne a single man, went to the Disco's, Cafe's & Restaurants that I'd been to when we were together. I made friendships and met girls; I dated one for 6 weeks. In August I decided I wanted to live in Rivne, so, I rented my house out, employed a person to help work in my business in the UK (internet sales) and arrived here with all my clothes etc. I immediately took a flat that a Ukrainian friend of mine found me - 1,400 grivnas a month. In November I had to sort out a longer term Visa, because the rules have changed in Ukraine for foreigners and the old "border hopping" doesn't really work anymore. So, again with the help of another Ukrainian friend I have, I got a letter of invitation, then stepped over the border to Krakow, Poland, went to the Embassy, presented my application plus $480 and collected my 1yr business Visa that same afternoon.
I continued socializing and met 3 different girls that I saw regularly, nothing heavy just some "fun" really. Then, a couple of months ago I met my girl that I'm proud to be with now, and last Sunday evening I asked her to live with me here in my flat, she said YES. Her mama was a little taken aback by our swiftness (understandable) but we're together, and it's fantastic.
Marina turned 27 in November, works full-time as a secretary and earns 800 Grivnas a month. We have so much in common, her English is almost perfect and she is a wonderful girl. I struggle to believe she is asleep in our bed now as I write this. She wants to see the UK (and other countries) one day, but respects my decision that I never want to live there ever again. She saves us money daily with her Ukrainian thriftiness and, even though I put the proposal to her that she can leave her job if she wishes and I can easily support us, she politely declined my offer, her reason being that I work from home on my Netbook, and her being at home all day too could put a serious strain on our relationship, and she's not prepared to take that risk, she'd rather get up at 6.30 every morning and come home at 5.45pm, a true find she is, really.
West Ukraine is a fine place to live with the right woman, at least for me anyway, so my situation is a variant to some of the other posters in this thread, but, a happy story just the same, and could perhaps be YOU posting such a story soon yourself Santiago !
"Success stories??? Any out there?" Sure there are !
RB Tom(Crashnsplash) was out of the group I first learned from. Tom resides in FL I haven't had a chance to catch back up with him in a while. Good to see all is going well. I don't think you would have liked that crew too much. They didn't doddle in BS and gave it out as well as they took it.
Also for Success Please Look to Dansing and Micheal, they are the poster children of success.
How many ways are there to court a woman? One? Two? Three? If a method works for one, will it necesarily work for another? It is good to study the methods of others. But then again, you must note that the successful ones also had their failures and the failures had their successes. I think it is best to be yourself and decide for yourself what method is best for you. Otherwise, your relationship would be a lie and it will surely come out eventually.