I was thinking to myself the other day of all the "hard" lessons I've had to learn since I've become single - and its been a lot unfortunately.
I was married for nearly 20 years (straight out of high school) so I never really dated until I separated and later divorced a few yrs ago. Married my very first boyfriend -- so everything I've learned has come later in life. Stuff that most people knew from dating in their early teens and 20's I was just learning in my late 30's and 40's! I felt really stupid for a while, got pretty badly hurt and banged up in my dating life.
I guess people that have spent most of their lives single can't relate to what I'm saying. When I read on these forums the hateful comments about how a woman shouldn't have "put out" done this or done that with a guy I feel bad for the person. I don't think anyone deserves to be manipulated, ignored, dismissed just because the other person thinks they don't owe him/her anything! Whatever happened to human decency and treating people they way you would wish to be treated?!!
But anway -- but back to the original question: What lessons have you learned from online dating or dating in general?
Arianna - if you are looking for human decency, or adherence to the golden rule ...
... a large percentage of posts on this forum are made by a few guys who love to behave like naughty children. Interestingly, almost all of them have made some posts that were really thoughtful, and done things to help other folks out. Such is human nature, I suppose.
I will respond to your thoughtful question later, but first - because this is a forum concerning international dating - do you have any history with international romance, or have all of your experiences been with men from your home country? Simple curiosity about that...
I am looking for the best travel method to Donetsk from Kiev.Train or Taxi?
It would be helpful if durak could answer this for me as I think he is the most intelijunt person on this forum and has been around a long time on this forum
The biggest lesson I learned is that there are thousands of FSU (and other) women available around the world. Therefore, there was no need to put up with bad attitudes or scams from anybody who could care less about my feelings.
The word that resonated the most during my experience (I am now happily married) was: NEXT!
Regardless of where you live, what your desires are... and whether you seek a woman in California, New York, Alabama or in some foreign land, be true to yourself. Don't settle for anyone less than you. And in the same light, don't expect anyone greater than yourself.
I learned that if you are letter writing, you would best be served to meet in person asap. Writing to someone for an extended period of time
is a waste of time and money for you and can be hurtful to the ladies you write. They are not all 18-20 year old somethings trying to scam you.
...Or a man from any of these places.... it is a matter of mutual understanding. That seems to be the common denominator in why relationships fail. Love is great. Admiration is great. Friendship is great. Respect and understanding is great. Put it all together.... You have all of those with understanding and respect for one another - then you have something.
The key is to not be jaded by other desires. Compromise yourself to the best of all aspects of a man/woman. One who seeks beauty will only find beauty. One who seeks intelligence will only find intelligence. One who seeks fun... Put it all together...
Great post, FSULover and Ralph. There is no reason why you should alter your personality for any particular woman. There are plenty of them. It doesn't matter how much time or money you have invested. Sometimes it is better to walk away. If you should be yourself, you should also allow others to do so. A good place to start is this forum.
I have no problems with internet dating, I am myself and will never change my principals for anyone, it is what makes me who i am. It takes time and is about building a mutual understanding and yes it can be done if the will is there from both parties. I learn that unless you are prepared to treat your girl with the same mutual respect as some girl from your own city then it will never go anywhere. Too many guys think hey i have visited her spent my money on her and she wont marry me and she must be a scam. It takes time patience and a lot of respect and sometimes soul searching but if you keep plugging away eventualy you will get there.
For online, I write as few letters as possible then try to get to meet them as soon as possible. Most likely you won't be the only person writing letters to them, but if you at least meet at least your words have more value than someone else who hasn't.
Personally, I'm rather skeptical of women that "put out" immediately. Imagine that you aren't the only guy seeing her. Other than that, I'm pretty flexible and believe that for a long term relationship to work, both parties need to compromise for each other.
I have been on FSU dating sites since 2000
Being 10th Anniversary and I have now found my lady dream there and seeing scam sites and many good ones is like travelling thru life
you have expirience them to learn so much and I have FSU girls the good are western mans dream....I see Aussie American women just so themselves and matirialistic
I could never be happy with most them....it is so much easier now to find good FSU girl still trouble but a lot more easier than first 10 post Soviet years...
Wazza
Sydney Australia
PS Im going back Ukraine get engaged in 2011...finally!
Regarding the dating agencies - I used CLUB 10 last year. I have since sold up,emergrated, married and now help my Ukrainian wife run her business in Kharkov. We are often contacted by these dating agencies and they just seem to fleece the guys that come to meet these girls. The agencies rent the cheapest possible apartments and put the guys there for 3 days. It just makes me mad to see them in action. I have not heard of any good reports about the agencies. My advise is log on to a direct contact site, like I did. Yes I paid , but only $10 for an upgrade of membership. The rest was up to us directly. We spoke by skype and eventually I travelled to Ukraine. I cocked up the visa thing, but thats a different story !
There are lots of genuine ladies here of all ages looking for western men, really. The reason is that the guys here are mostly arrogant vodka heads who dont treat them like ladies. The women here are beautiful and most speak English.
There are many fantastic women here, but do you really think a gorgeous 20 year old girl will want a 50 year old guy ! - just dont believe everything thats said.
We have many friends here and yes the age gap can be 10-14 years sometimes, but it is not the norm.
I left England and started a new life and never looked back. The country and people are great fun. I didn't plan his , I think I was lucky.
I wish you all the best finding someone, they are all here waiting, but try to use your head and dont get scammed. I see it too much.