Been corresponding with a woman from Lugansk for 3 months, and met her in Kiev for a week in the middle of February.
I have met 4 women previously from the FSU with varying degrees of success, but I thought this woman was pretty special - 6 years younger than me, we got on really well and had a great time, and I am arranging meet her again shortly.
She never asked me for money, not even to travel to Kiev, and I had to practically force her to accept anything from me, she seems too good to be true.
So why am I writing? Well, minor thing but I found her name on a scammers site, looks like her photograph, same birth date other than the year, which she told me (when I asked if I had it correct) she had been a bit creative with (deducting 5 years) and it actually turned out to be the same birthdate.
Agency told me the 'scammer' had asked for money to be listed and to be paid for replying to letters so they listed her (she has never asked me for anything in 40 - 50 messages)
I have her home address, and phone number but it is not listed in her name - she tell me I can call her anytime, she does not live with anyone and truthfully I believe and trust her
Am I being a mug, or paranoid because of all the talk about Lugansk being the scammer capital etc etc.
I met some of her family in Kiev, have seen numerous photographs of her, at work and she has even given me her business card
Suggestions? Stop being paranoid and enjoy my good fortune?
Follow this up?
The one thing I don't want to do is spoil the start of something that could go somewhere without good reason!
Hi Chris
Go with your heart but be careful!
I was in a similar situation and it worked out for me - don't believe everything you read on the anti-scam websites.
what would you do if she was both a scammer and sincerely looking for someone?
lets say she is sincere with you?
but she had no problems leading other men on to receive the $5/letter fee she received.
could you live with her? could you ever trust her?
you said she already lied to you about her age? is that ok with you?
i think being honest is like being pregnant. you either are or your not.
good luck though. probably there is a lot of good in her. you will need to accept that she felt she needed to do what she needed to do to survive. lets not pretend she's a great person though.
I'm out of date but, once so publicised, the organised Loo-Gangster scammers started profiling that they were from outlying towns, near to Lugansk, and within a letter or two mentioned being in Lugansk itself thus contradicting their profile(s).
You mention that this lady contradicted her birth date, well lying about her age is a definite red warning sign, the Loo-Gangsters all used to use a same routing/system of emailing, it showed up in the full header of their emails but I can't remember the identity of it.
Does she claim to be using an interpreter, an agency, an internet cafe etc? Go thru her email full headers for the originating IP addresses, if a cafe then these shouldm mainly, be different IP's, an agency or interpreter, or indeed a PC at home, might, in the main, be the same IP letter to letter etc.
I’m surprised a guy who has met 4 fsu women needs to ask the question.
If your previous relationships failed due to them being scammers, gold-digger’s, professional daters etc then this woman would follow the same patterns.
I doubt if any of the above would invite you to meet her folks or anything like that.
The listing as a scammer is a big red flag and not very often are these sites too wide of the mark.
She could have graduated from asking for money to the ultimate prize which is a green card or euro passport and marriage to a westerner.
I agree with Gecko trust doesn’t come in small steps you either trust her or you don’t.
Whether or not you can trust a woman is way up the list in “things that make a relationship work” Lack of trust is way up the list in “Things that make a relationship fall apart”
There are two kinds of women I wouldn’t trust.
1. Women from Ukraine.
2. Women from the internet.
In these kind of situation, it's a good thing to be paranoid. It's better than knowing that you wasted 4+ years of your life. Money can't buy back those precious years of your life.
Even if you think she loves you and come back with you to your country, you should still be cautious. Learn the mistakes of the MANY that came before you.
Kirkland
''There are two kinds of women I wouldn’t trust.
1. Women from Ukraine.
2. Women from the internet.''
What a bloody stupid thing to say - if that is your feelings, why the hell are you interested in this forum ? To blacken the reputation of both these groups of ladies probably cancells out most of the best women you would ever have chance of. Or are you happy to live in 'Lala Land' on your own !
Trust is very important in any relationship, but you cannot group everyone the same.
If some of these guys act stupid constantly, then the scammers will find them and try to take them to the cleaners.
I'm interested in this forum because I choose to be.
I don't trust Ukrainian women on the internet (which is what I meant to say) or any woman from the internet because I choose not to.
I've found this policy has served me well and would advise anyone to adopt it.
There is no securecode on a dating site. No marriage agency I have seen is "up front" about anything...prices...sincerity of the women..what you will eventually pay...etc
Do you even trust the guy you work with? When you get an fsu woman into your bed; do immediately trust her. Are you the only one? The one she has been waiting for?
I could tell you a few horror stories about men have met women online.
I could tell you, but you probably wouldn't listen.
The problem with people like you is; you believe an internet relationship to be reality...when in actual fact it isn't.
The marriage/dating business is a massive earner in Ukraine. Do you honestly think a normal young woman wants to meet a fat old bloater from the internet to "start a family"
Wake up and smell the coffee.
I choose tea, smells less.
I choose to trust any woman in my bed, in fact I've got no choice because she doesn't. Handcuffs, silk scarf ..... you need more Kirkie?
If so, tell us ALLLLLLLL about those horror stories of the virtual women you met, online of course..... hey, that's not in your bed then isn't it?
sjg-uk, "why the hell are you interested in this forum?"
Solely to rev you up. Your Q shows you didn't know that - yet ;-)
On paper she sounds genuine but as pointed out there is always the possibility of a visa scam (but then this is potentially true of ANY woman you meet in the FSU).
Personally I would jugde a woman on how she treated ME and to hell with what she was going to other men. You have to remember that in the FSU scamming foreigners (or anyone for that matter) out of a few $/£/E is about as morally repugnant to them as it is for to pay cash to a tradesman to avoid tax.
Thunderdome...indeed just to rev em up. Also to provide a little insight.
I've travelled Ukraine, Russia, Romania, and a few others and seen the tourist versus ladies phenomenon from a slightly pespective.
About those horror stories...maybe another time.
Hahahahah...guys u made me laugh......i am a woman from fsu....if u have any questions i'll be glad to answer:-))))
I just entered here to check on ur opinion about our women...
Daya, here's a question. Have you ever written and received letters through an agency and gotten paid for it? Please be specific. How much for a letter written and how much for a letter received?
Hi, i'm not Daya but as a russian woman can answer some of your questions.
What we are all looking for? There are different men and women on the dating scene and their intentions are also different. If you asked me I would say I'm looking for love. It's not money that are important but his ability to provide a family and it's important in every country and every family.
Age...hmmm...well I'm 43 and I would never accept a guy either over 50 or younger than 37 y.o. Don't believe that there are lots of 20 y.o girls who would like a man more than 15 years older. May be there are some...just may be:)
I've never payed for letters because i used agencies free for women so can't give you any details about the cost.
Dansing, your question made me thinking really hard...perhaps he should propose in a different way. I guess it would be more romantic than if a woman had to help him. Just IMO, sorry.
Molly, thanks for answering. My question was not whether or not you paid for agencies. My question was were you ever paid by agencies for writing letters, or do you know of anyone who was paid or does this practice exist?
I guess it probably does, Muzzy. I just wanted to hear it from a woman from there. I did ask my gf. She evaded the question. I think she thinks I might get angry.