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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > language Author Post Kasper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/20/2010 9:32:10 AM   I would be interested in some feedback about the language gap. I have been corresponding with a lady for some time now using a dating website (DreamMarriage) that translates our letters. She is keen that I visit her in Ukraine but her English conversation is minimal and says if she likes someone enough then she would learn English. I have pointed out the Catch 22 situation here: if you like someone very much then you would be happy to learn their language - but how can you like them if you don’t understand what they have said. I am told that if two people feel they are meant for each other then we will find a common language and we can arrange an interpreter for a while anyway. Three questions: Am I being unnecessarily worried about not being able to make any conversation for several days? How awkward is dating with an interpreter in tow? The website we use prohibits exchange of contact details so I have not communicated with the lady directly, is this typical of some agencies, especially when it comes to the details of arranging a visit? Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/20/2010 1:19:36 PM   I wouldn't be concerned about the language gap if I were you. I would be about Dream Marriage though. They're an affiliate of Anastasia, and both are common fodder for law suits over scams. Legitimate agencies use them, so there's no saying that a lady from there is defacto dishonest, but watch your step. Also, ANY agency that prohibits personal details being exchanged is a big problem. They're obviously willing to put their money making ahead of your chances of success, and will continue to do so (leaving you with an expensive interpreter you can't trust) Do anything you can to get her away from this agency (browse the forum or ask for ideas on this). If she won't move away, move on. If she will, do a little more checking before visiting. Once you're there, a good translator will be helpful for as long as you need them, and will know when to make themselves scarce. Keep something like an electronic translator handy, and you'll be surprised how 'doo-able' communication can be. It won't be elegant or articulate, but you'll get by enough to know if there's anything there between you or not. If you really want to do this seriously though, I'd suggest learning Russian. You can get the basics down in a few months, and it'll help in your endeavour long-term. Hope it all goes well. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/20/2010 2:04:51 PM   Learning Russian is easier said than done. I have a total of 5 college degrees (two graduate degrees) but I have struggled with Russian and only seem to pick it up a little when I am actually over there. Now its true that 10 of the 14 times I have spent two or more weeks in a Russian speaking country - I have had a lady with me 24/7 and that doesn't push me to learn any faster. Still - with no Russian speaking population near me - only one (very inconvenient) course taught in Conversational Russian at a local university - and just books and CDs on the subject (I have practically all of them - Rosetta Stone remains, but it is ordered and expected any day now) I am moving slowly ahead. One small interesting point - I can read Cyrillic better than I can understand spoken Russian - I guess that is because I have more opportunity to study the written word than to to hear the language spoken. Some of my Russian friends find that surprising (that I can read better than I can speak) as many never pick up on the Cyrillic. PROBOWLER900 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/20/2010 2:31:47 PM   Kasper, There's always a way around exchanging contact information. I also use this site and I know of a way to give out my information without it being detected. I always write out the full number. I always will say write this down. start with a plus sign followed by a one (my country code for USA) then (give the area code in written word) so if the area code is say 234 I would write two then a three followed by a four. Then give out the rest of the number in similiar detail and ask her to send sms to the answer. Then if she does you have her number. And if she does not then you know it is a big game being played. Make sure if when you write the number between each number word give a another word not of the number such as then a or followed by. See what happens. Also check to see if she has a profile on vkontake.ru. It is the social media site like facebook for the FSU countries. Set up your profile then go look for her. I usually will search by country, city, and DATE OF BIRTH!! I have found a good ratio of women who write to me from pay websites have a profile on this social website so I will contact them through vkontakte.ru instead of the website you are on. gecko Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/20/2010 2:47:51 PM   i think if someone is serious about international dating they will learn some english. i don't think you should learn russian to meet russian woman. you are not planning on living in russia are you? this would only impress on the woman that you will bend over backwards to do anything for her, and that she only needs to do the minimum for you. on the other hand, my limited knowledge of russian does help me navigate my way around ukraine when i travel on trains and visit the smaller cities. i would learn the minimum if you plan on doing some independent travel. and be able to transliterate the alphabet. many words in russian are actually english words transliterated in their own alphabet by the way, i am in the exact same situation as you. i am corresponding with a girl through anastasia from mariupol. she wants to meet me in odessa for a few days. that is fine, but i think the costs of me paying for their trip to meet me will be well over five hundred dollars once the traveling , housing , eating, translating fee, etc.. are all added up. thats an expensive blind date!!! Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/21/2010 12:43:56 AM   Kasper, I have sucessufully negotiated the Ukrainian and Russian countries over the past 7 years with only an electronic translator. It is suprising how many of them know english and you don't really have to rely on the electronic translator that much. I have only used personal (people) translators for a very minimal time. I prefer to have direct contact with the woman without someone else around. I have met many wonderful ladies that I have used my electronic translator with and I have had only a few problems with the language barrier. I suggest you go see her and have minimal use od personal translators and rely on you electronic translator. I can recommend a translator which I use if you want to know. rusKEN Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/21/2010 1:00:56 AM   If she was a girl that stunned me with her beauty and challenged me with her mind, I wouldn't need for her to learn English at all. I would learn her language. Provided she can be that kind of girl. That's just me so to each his own. For everyone else, perhaps a compromise would be better. He can learn some Russian while she can improve her English. Learning Russian has other uses beside writing and talking to her. It would help a lot when visiting FSU countries. @jetma Being Russian themselves, speaking should be easier for them. For everyone else who is learning a new language, speaking is usually the hardest. I speak 4 different languages which are quite different from another. Fluency of language is usually judged when someone opens their mouth to talk. Someone can be a master writer, but it won't mean much if they can't hold a conversation. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/21/2010 6:57:19 AM   Mini Cooper: Despite our past differences, I'd like to know which electronic translator you recommend. figgis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/21/2010 12:47:41 PM   Dream marriage straight away alarm bells are ringing. If you are communicating with a girl there be careful. The women there are obliged to be online and in chat for a minimum time per month, they have to answer all letters within 7 days. Also be aware that alot of the women there use a translator to chat with you and to write her letters. Also be aware that she could be at home while her translator is online chatting with you and any other guy also. Dont be fooled by the sincere looking rubbish that the sites rules and regulation set out. Ask your self why sometimes does it take her 6 minutes to reply to a simple question in chat, the answer is simple, you are talking to an interpreter who is talking to at least 3 or 4 guys at a time. If the girl is using an interprter then you have no choice but accept it but be aware that the interpreters are only there to make money off the girls profile they are not interested in you. That site is as corrupt as it can get, the interpreters have full access to the girls profiles and can log in and use them at their leisure, its all about them making money for their agencies. Most women on there are pro daters and gold diggers. The interpreter chats, if a guy gets serious the girl will meet him, but be aware all this is done by the interpreter and she is no more than an escort comming to meet you after months of being groomed at your expence. When you meet the girl will make a snap decision on you, she will decide if she wants to screw you and make some money off you or she will just say to herself no i dont like him and just date you and make as much money off you as possible. Whatever happens it will be a hurtful and confusing experience, you will be left thinking what happened and who the hell have i been talking to online. Thats the scam side of it. If you want her to have your contact details, take a photo of your e-mail address or phone number and send it in a letter, i have found this will not be filtered out, i have done it and it works fine. Howether be very careful about women on dream, theres a significant chance you are talking to a dater. As for using an interpreter on a date yes they are helpful but best advice is find one in her city and use them instead of her agencies interprter. Most agency interpreters are students and are usualy a friend of the girl so be aware that an independant interpreter will act on your behalf and not the girls or her agencies. Be careful. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/21/2010 1:17:46 PM   neoKen: On my most recent trip to Ukraine I met an incredible Ukrainian lady who spoke not a word of English. And she didn't need to. She was very expressive with her hands (minds out of the gutter please) and could get across what she wanted to me very easily. She also danced incredibly and very expressively. It was only afterward that I was even aware that she didn't speak any English. We are communicating now by means of letter and Google Translate. I was much less than impressed with automatic translator programs in the past, and Google certainly has some limitations, but I am amazed at its capabilities. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/21/2010 1:28:54 PM   @ dansing: I know most of the words you list, except I must admit I don't know, crowbar, axe or hammer (but I could look them up) and "suckey wuckey"???? Have never actually had to request that by name. Kasper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/21/2010 6:40:15 PM   Thanks guys for some useful information. I‘ll be more relaxed about the language gap. Figgis: Thanks for warning me about Dream Marriage. Like you suggested, I had already asked the lady for her postal address in Ukraine but she told me she is not permitted reveal this. Would this be true? I suspect that if I suggest she signs on with another agency that permits exchange of contact details then this would be censored out by the translators? I also asked for this info from a lady on Anastasia who said the same. I don’t feel the ladies I am in communication with are scams or frauds, they are in a slightly older age bracket where this maybe less of a problem but their English is poorer and I haven’t arranged any online chats as yet. Minicooper: I would be interested in the make and model of your recommended translator machine. I am based in the UK. figgis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/22/2010 1:30:35 AM   Kasper, it is not the interpreters job to stop e-mail addresses, if you send it in a letter it gets filtered out automaticly. If the interprter is in chat and with the girl you like phone numbers can be exchanged its easy just write it in the chat box and send it and it dont get filtered out, sending e-mail addresses is also similar you can put in gaps and it dont get filtered out. If the interpreter has the girls info they can give it in chat but its up to them, i think its ruled that they are not allowed, but you can purchase her contact details which is ironic. Explain to her that you want to visit her, this part is correct to enter Ukraine you dont need a visa but upon entry you need to fill in a form with the contact details and address of the person or place you are visiting, this is true i have done it several times, tell your girl this and say you need these details, if you have to purchase her details then try and get as much as you can from her for free first. Dont get sucked into being too polite, if you dont ask you dont get. I would try and have a chat with her, if you have any trust issues it is easy to see if she is online there, just go online check her profile and if she is in chat her online status flashes yellow. You can search her also just tap in a search on her age and it will find all women in that age, it will show where she is in terms of when she was last online or if she is online, if she is online alot then she will be on the first 2 pages and if she is online alot then she will be on the first page. After this you can ask yourself the question, why is this girl online and in chat if she is only interested in me and after that you can work the rest out yourself. Best advice is go and see her but you should have her contact details first. Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/23/2010 1:55:10 AM   Kasper and Jetmba, My translator is a touch screen "ECTACO iTRAVL TL-6". It is much more than a mere translator it is powered by "Windows CE" and provides many, many other functions other than a simple translator. It features a full touch screen keyboard (Russian or English) and too many other options to mention. I don't think this particular model it is available now because they have upgraded their translators. However, I have never been let down by carrying this simple device with me. Whether it be taxi drivers, ordering a drink at a bar or making first contact with a woman… it has helped me. But it does not come cheap... be prepared to spend about $400 on it. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/23/2010 6:37:36 PM   Mini Cooper: I am familiar with that model. Its the same model my friend from Denmark had on my recent trip to Poltava. He liked it very much too. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > language
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