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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Fiance v Spouse Visa Author Post Lordvalentine Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/26/2010 9:27:30 PM   I have read some commentary and not just on this forum that you get a smoother immigration ride if you marry and then apply for spouse visa rather than a fiancé visa. My experience was the opposite. The Australian Immigration staff who conduct the interviews in Moscow ( actually they are 80% all Russians) apply a different test for fiancés versus spouses. I originally applied to sponsor my Russian fiancé as a fiancé. I did this so as to get my future step son included in the application as he was about to turn 18 and i rushed the application (it avoided having to pay a separate $1400 application fee for him). However my fiancé and I did marry two weeks later in Russia so we then applied to have our fiance application converted to a spouse application. I failed to realise at the time that a different test would be applied. As spouses we were tested on whether we had a bona fide marriage and looked at such things as whether we jointly owned property and had joint bank accounts. We didn’t- hardly surprising after only having been married a week. They focus heavily on those things almost applying it religiously rather than the commitment evidenced by the marriage itself. My advice to anyone from Australia contemplating marriage in FCS countries and then applying for spouse visa would be .. don’t !! Apply as fiancé and marry in Australia or Russia after the provisional visa is granted. For a fiancé you just need to prove you have met, have an ongoing relationship and a genuine intention to marry--- much much easier than passing the spousal test they apply. What is the position with other countries? Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/28/2010 2:50:24 PM   Lordvalentine, Firstly, if you have a fiance then you have a boyfriend .... a fiancee is the female variety. :) Often there is no such thing as a fiance(e) visa, it is an expression often used too often, different countries do things differently but, for UK, it is a settlement visa whether the couple are boy/girl friends, not necessarily engaged, or married, perhaps a smoother passage if married but the same visa. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/28/2010 3:34:44 PM   It is far easier in the US to apply for a fiance visa, according to some people I talked to and from what I read. The difference, of course are just delaying tactics. From what I read, all visas has some implication that you will visit and not stay in the US. If you are already married and apply for a visa, you have to reconcile the dual purpose of staying in the US and going back to your country. kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/28/2010 9:49:36 PM   that sounds like the same as NZ,, but nothings difficult if you understand what you need or know and what box's you need to tick, but they will not really tell you that.. learning from others mistakes is how we get it right:) the worst part of NZ sponsoring under relationship, you cannot sponsor another person for five years under a relationship angle. so really if its possible, i would think it would be better to sponsor under a non-relationship angle,, if its possible? you have to state previous sponsoring of relationship and none relationships on visa sponsor form. but there's no limit for none relationship sponsoring it seems. so now because of the relationship sponsor i have done, if i wanted to get a different girl to NZ it would have to be under her own merits (almost impossible for average Russia) or marriage and use the angle of a spouse,, very uncomfortable angle to play.. so i wonder why is it an advantage to do it under relationship? possibly a man would be dreaming to get a girl here sponsoring as a friend only.. which is really what they are until there's a thought of marriage, so the forms are possibly a false decoration if the relationship is not at the intention to marriage stage. its nice to live in a country with a pack of dictating b*****ds telling me what i can do. i guess she can always apply for refugee status, get a nice salary and house from the government without the need of a partner, hell can i do that?? Lordvalentine Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/29/2010 3:01:55 AM   Smart Martin You are quite right. I stand corrected. The female variant is fiancee. See below from dictionary.com. fi¡¤an¡¤c¨¦e   /ˌfi¨»nˈseɪ, fiˈ¨»nseɪ/ Show Spelled[fee-ahn-sey, fee-ahn-sey] Show IPA ¨Cnoun a woman engaged to be married; a woman to whom a man is engaged. Origin: 1850¨C55; < F; fem. of fianc¨¦ ¡ªCan be confused: fianc¨¦, fianc¨¦e, faience. GeminiDreams Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/29/2010 4:04:08 AM   Lord My wife just received her Temp residents visa for Australia. we have benn together 5.5 year and been married almost two years. It took 6 months to get the Temp visa. If we had been married 3 years or 2 years and had a child we could get permanent straight away. There is a Russian language forum called gday I thing which discusses entry into Australia. It seems much easier to enter on Fiance visa get married in Australia then apply for Temp residency visa. Many get Temp after 2 or three months of applying. Lordvalentine Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/29/2010 12:55:56 PM   Gemini Congratulations !! Will send you a PM when I am approved to send same. Taking into account security clearance 6 months sounds like a good run. Ours took 2 years but half that was literally waiting for the Migration Review Tribunal to hear our appeal. You were married so long at time of applying your situation was vastly different from mine. But yeah, you wont get that advice from departmental staff but its much easier to apply as a fiancee unless, like your case, you have been married a substantial time and have the chance to mingle your financial affairs and acquire joint assets or bank accounts. It’s a very selective process the staff follow. No doubt they are given a checklist and required to tick boxes like "does the couple have a joint bank account", "do they jointly own property". Fact that you might have exchanged a 1000 emails each in 4 or 5 month period which would demonstrate a high level of commitment to a reasonable person, is not given the qualitative assessment by the Embassy staff in the weighing process that it deserves. It is, however, given great weight at MRT. The Embassy staff also have a tendency to latch onto minor inconsistencies in the woman's story and if in doubt find in the negative without affording the lady the opportunity to put her version on those inconsistencies. Often those inconsistencies are readily explainable but they will knock back the whole application because of them. When we applied (2005) for spouse visa the refusal rate was running at about 75- 85% ( I learned later thru a Freedom of Information request, Department a of Immigration and MRT Annual reports plus researching about 200 MRT cases). At the same time 60-75% of those refusals cases which were appealed were successful in the MRT. There was a heavy emphasis in MRT on degree on continuing contact and fact that you don’t have joint bank accounts or joint assets is given little weight because it would be ludicrous to expect, when you live in different countries in a marriage of often short duration, to expect a couple to have those. It led me, for example, to bolster our case at MRT, to open a joint bank account in Australia, even though my wife then living in Russia had no means to access it. Also at the time under Russian law it was not possible according to their law, to open a joint bank account between a husband and wife. I got advice from two separate Russian lawyers as well as trying several banks to no avail. Yet the Embassy staff, 5 years later, keep applying significant weight to the fact that a couple does not have a Russian joint bank account. The above stats are frightening. It tells you that a lot of genuine cases were refused and the couples just gave up winable cases without appealing. Lordvalentine Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/29/2010 1:42:25 PM   Dansing Putting aside your personal derogatory comment which is not relevant in this thread I will answer you. Yes the spouse visa was granted and i answered you in the thread re Greatest dangers for US citizens. The fiancee visa was able to be changed to spouse visa- atleast at that time- 2004. I dont know current situation but can research for you if you request me to do so. As to your friend I assume you mean "Shrek". Let's not call him that. The fact that he has no savings nor job will not be a disqualification for him applying for either a spouse or prospective spouse visa. Where he may run into trouble, however, is he is almost certain, because of his low income, to be asked to sign up to an Assurance of Support. That document, if he signs it, pledges him to repay to the Australian government, any amount of social security payments that the partner receives I think usually in a two year period from her arrival. In most cases the female partner will have no entitlement to social security payments within two years of her arrival. One exception is where she claims benefits as a result of separation caused by domestic violence. araj Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/3/2011 8:27:05 AM   Lordvalentine, may oi ask you a question please as i have a dolemna re spouse of fiancee visa for oz. a nigtmare even to get proof of intention to marry and $150 fee for a letter from a marriage celabant ! Driftwood Arts Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2011 8:00:07 AM   how dose my fionca get her paper werk too me ? Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Fiance v Spouse Visa
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