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drumcode

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	Send: 5/30/2010 8:30:24 AM

Hi everyone! I'm brand new to this forum having stumbled across it when researching my upcoming holiday. As the topic title suggests, I'm off to Odessa in just over a month. Never having been there, I'd appreciate some tips from the experts here. I'm not pre-arranging any dates online, nor am I looking to attend socials. My romantic efforst are going to focus on clubs (and maybe even public places if I start feeling really confident). I'm 30 but younger looking. I can get away with being English or German. Which would the Ukrainian/Russian girls prefer? How likely is it that I'll encounter Polish girls in Odessa? Sorry about the amount of questions but I just haven't been able to find decent answers on the web yet: - Best clubs are Ibiza and Itaka, right? - How much is it to get in? How much are the drinks? - What's the dress code (trainers/sneaker allowed)? - Is it better to stand out or blend in? - Are there many hookers among the crowd and are they easy enough to spot (I'm looking to avoid them)? - Any tips for approaching girls in clubs? - How widespread is "transactional" sex? Will a girl that I meet in one of the clubs and take back to my apartment expect to be paid despite not being a hooker? - Are there any scams (girls after free drinks, threatening boyfriends appearing out of nowhere, getting mugged)? - I will memorise a few Russian phrases but clearly I'm going have to rely on the girls speaking a little English. How likely is that? - Will girls be repulsed and not show any interest when they realise you're from the West or what's the reaction generally? Thanks for your help in advance!!!

GeminiDreams

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	Send: 5/30/2010 10:28:25 AM

Ibeza and Itaka are both at Arcadia. This is not in central Odessa. About 20 min away in taxi. There are lots of bars and restaurants in central Odessa. Only been to one and it was 3 years ago. Cover charge was not expensive drinks werent cheap but suppose it depends on your usual frame of reference. Dress nicely, smart casual. Well cheapskates dont fly high in Ukraine as these girls stuggle for money. They wont be shy in asking if that is what they want but wont ask for large amounts. Many just want a good time, nice restaurants, perfume and other presents. A foreigner is seen as having a good time with no issues so be nice and you should have a good time. Many speek English and your couple of phrases isnt going to make an impact on a russian speaker. Try ya hachu tebya. They have every scam in the book there so keep your wits about you. I would try hooking up on some of the free russian language sites before you go. Odessa is a great place to visit in summer.

Rag'n'Bull

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	Send: 5/30/2010 6:34:15 PM

drumcode, You say you can get away with being English or German, why not admit to being of your own nationality or do you have something to hide? Reminds me of a guy that became emailing me via this forum a few years back, he had lied about his age, he'd deducted something like 10 years from his true age, he'd met the lady of his dreams but couldn't face confessing to her his true age, she was going to find out, as with you, just by one look at one's passport. Psssst ..... a tip for you, there ain't no such nationality as English and any educated British national would be aware of that!

Lockland

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	Send: 5/30/2010 7:29:05 PM

Dude, you are asking very serious questions, if you are not comfortable with yourself than don't bother! Forget about online dating, if you are too provocative than forget clubbing, there are fights every Saturday night why they have bouncers? If you want to be a ghost than go fuck a hooker & pay money!! This forum is for serios long term relationships not hookers of 1 night stands. Get that in your silly head!

drumcode

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	Send: 5/31/2010 6:36:07 AM

Thanks for your replies, guys! My Eastern European clubbing experience has so far been limited to Bulgaria, Poland and Latvia. Let me tell you one thing: I managed to easily pull girls without buying them a single drink. They either refused or didn't even give me a chance to offer them a drink before we started kissing. Until Friday I hadn't kissed a non-Eastern European girl in 5 years. Oh, and I won't let a French girl kiss me again! I might give English another try but I'll keep avoiding German girls like the plague. I seem to have a thing for Polish girls now... I never claimed English was a nationality (you implied that, Martin!) but no-one from England would ever say that they're British. People from Scotland and Wales wouldn't either - they don't even want to be part of Britain! Makes me think you can only be American, Martin! lol Guys, I'm the most honest person in the world but on holiday it gets a bit boring when I have to explain to everyone I meet why I'm fluent in both English and German and I end up having to show my ID to make people believe my true age. So half German, half English it is! My Polish mate who's been to Odessa reckons they hate both there anyway. :) My age will definitely be adjusted downwards to match the girls' ages. I'm going out here every weekend and always make everyone guess my age when they ask. I've recently heard everything from 22 to 27. Yes, I'm on love.mail.ru but I haven't logged on for 4 weeks now. I had problems finding girls who could write in English and 2mins face to face is much better than weeks of emailing and chatting. Despite extensive research on the internet, I still have no clue what to expect this July! I did manage to catch a documentary on German TV about the annual 5-week rave (Kazantip) they have in Popovka every year. Not a chubby or fat girl in sight! The best thing was some tall, skinny, ginger-haired, Dutch douche who managed to pull a girl in front of the TV crew. If my competition's going to be guys like him, then it's going to be child's play this summer... Anyway, I'm off to Stockholm before Odessa. At least I know they like the English there. Keep the tips coming, please (unless it's WRONG smart-ass stuff)! I'll be happy to share my Odessa experience in detail...

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	Send: 5/31/2010 6:41:43 AM

drumcode, Do you know how they call people like you in FSU countries? "Sex Tourists!" Being one may allow you to have fun. Even better if you are willing to spend enough money to please the girl(s). But Sex Tourists are usually avoided by the girls who are worth bringing home to mama.

drumcode

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	Send: 5/31/2010 7:47:19 AM

FSULover, You got me! I'm a seasoned sex tourist who'll be flying out to Thailand in August. What gave it away? The fact that I'm young or that I'm looking to AVOID prostitutes? Last time I shagged a girl on holiday was in Latvia almost 5 years ago. That girl ended up moving in with me and being my girlfriend for over 4 years. Classic hallmarks of sex tourism, right??? I just have a thing for Eastern Europeans and the feeling's mutual. I merely want to enjoy my first holiday as a single in five years. Clubbing will be on the agenda EVERY night and the main focus there will be meeting nice girls. I treat all girls I meet with respect and am actually very picky myself. I've seen people mention going clubbing in Odessa in this forum but I guess I'm going to have to PM "jetmba." if I want a straight answer without being accused of being a sex tourist. I'm already looking forward to the next reply to my post - maybe I'm planning to film a porn movie in Odessa... lol

durak

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	Send: 5/31/2010 8:11:40 AM

The incidence of HIV in Ukraine has been increasing rapidly, year by year, for more than 5 years.

gecko

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	Send: 5/31/2010 12:51:39 PM

thanks for that refreshing piece of info durak. your like a breath of fresh air. drumcode, this website is for guys looking for a serious relationship. its guys like you who ruin it for the rest of us.

TopSandwich

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	Send: 5/31/2010 12:55:36 PM

You sound an awful lot like a sex tourist, in which case the girls will see right through you--whether you're pretending to be German or British. Any non-working girl will not even give you the time of day. If you're not a sex tourist, and are sincerely looking for a good woman for LTR, then Odessa nightclubs are some of the worst places in all of Ukraine to find such a lady. So either way, I think you will have a very hard time. There are some friendly hookers at the Irish Pub, though, which is probably where you will end up.

drumcode

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	Send: 5/31/2010 3:33:13 PM

Thanks for the support, dansing. I've never been so misunderstood in my entire life (not even by women). :) Neither have I ever been in such an aggresive forum! Holiday has been synonimous with romance for me since I was a small boy. Last time I travelled to the FSU looking for romance it ended in a 5-year relationship. The only way in which I could be perceived to be a sex TOURIST is that I TRAVEL to destinations where I like the women and where I find them more approachable (which is always the case on holiday where-ever you go anyway). Trust me guys, I'm not going to make a bad name for us Western tourists in Odessa! Quite the opposite. Just having come out of a long-term relationship I'm actually not overly keen to jump into the next serious relationship. But I'm not someone who has one-night stands either (even stretch it over 2 days on holiday). However, I know exactly that I'm extremely likely to fall in love in Odessa. So, what am I looking for??? I'm looking to have a great summer holiday, meet nice girls, have fun and most likely fall in love. Is that so bad??? I've said several times that I want to keep clear of prostitutes and you won't see me in a strip joint either. I've come to this forum in the hope of getting some advice as I've never been to Odessa and it's quite an exotic location. I remember wasting the first 3 nights in the wrong club in Bulgaria and I really don't want that to happen in Odessa. I only mentioned transactional sex because I read about it on Wikipedia when researching the high HIV infection rate in the Ukraine. I'd still be grateful if someone who's already been there could give me some tips on how to meet locals in clubs or the street. Just lastly regarding the age and nationality (don't start again, Martin!): People think I'm lying when I tell them my real age. When I ask about German or English, I'm clearly one of them! I'm not an Eskimo who wants to pretend...

Rag'n'Bull

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	Send: 5/31/2010 5:14:42 PM

The Yanks will be happy that I'm now, supposedly, one of them :)

beemer18

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	Send: 5/31/2010 6:08:21 PM

Hey...a topic that rings a bell!!!! Nothing against Arcadia but it is not all it seems to be. Lots of hot women barely clad in clothing, if you call it that, you can have a great time BUT many girls will expect to be pursued with drinks and the ones that come after you are probably the hookers. If you want to meet a 'nice' girl, that ain't the place. The big ones are the most popular( Itasa & Ibiza) but check out some others in area while there...not too expensive to get in, drinks are $$. Easy to get hassled by police in area looking for a payout from foreigners. I always preferred the clubs close to downtown. Good experience though in Arcadia...but if you are really looking for romance then you are barking up the wrong tree.

Muzzy

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	Send: 6/1/2010 4:14:10 AM

Drumcode, If you look around the forum, you'll see that people here savage each other regularly. Don't take the aggression personally - you're just fresh meat for the animals. Having said that, if you're really looking to 'fall in love', then a: Odessa aint the best place, and b: Nightclubs aint the best place in Odessa. If, on the other hand, you really are after a one (or even two) night stand, then you'll be in the right place (assuming you can afford it) Seriously, if you're looking for romance, switch your destination. Odessa is well known for scamming, hookers, and fleecing foreigners. Also, no-one ever noticed a personality across a crowded room! I don't know if you're after romance or just sex (your posts are a little bipolar on the subject), but I do know that finding romance in Odessa clubs are virtually nil. If you want a real chance of meeting native girls who are interested in more than a free drink and a dance (and who will be interested in you for being a foreigner), there are plenty of towns within train/taxi reach of Odessa, which plenty of people here can give advice about.

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	Send: 6/1/2010 5:41:39 AM

for a list of all the clubs in Odessa check the travel page at easyukraine we have a list of most of them.

drumcode

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	Send: 6/1/2010 2:29:16 PM

Thanks Muzzy! I know clubs aren't a good place to meet the "right" girl. However, when I think back that's how pretty much all my affairs and relationships started out - by bumping into someone in a club. I'm just not the type of guy who approaches girls in the street or on the train. Actually, having spoken to girls about this, I'm fairly clear on the fact that most girls would hate to be approached like that anyway. I really can't believe that I got attacked here by other members for not claiming to be looking for a long-term relationship and nothing else. Has anyone ever taken the time to read the heading here "love, romance, friendship"??? I'm moderator myself elsewhere and no newbie would ever get pounced on like that unless they started swearing and insulting people. Of course I'm really scared of getting scammed/fleeced! This doesn't just apply to girls I meet in Itaka or Ibiza but also online or at a social. In a way, I'd be more scared that someone I meet at a social is either not interested at all (just paid by the agency to be there) or just interested in my EU status. I'm not even dissing the idea of romantic socials, nor am I having a go at any men who attend them. I'm simply trying to say that they're not for me (yet). I'm not keen on pre-arranging dates via the web either. First of all, the pictures and tedious messages don't compare to seeing someone for 10secs. Second, I can imagine a girl I meet like that just fleecing me for a nice lunch or dinner (and maybe even ask me to be taken shopping if she's really cheeky). I'm so scared to run into hookers that I may have missed out on the easiest shag ever in Bulgaria. I can see that happening again in Odessa. I've actually thought about visitng smaller towns around Odessa as well. Please PM me if you have some good tips, Muzzy. BTW, I'd still be grateful for any tips regarding the Arcadia nightlife! Having seen the videos on YouTube it's clear that the majority of my nights will be spent there. Apart from it being surprisingly expensive there, I'm still pretty clueless. Just tell me - how much exactly is a 330ml bottle of local beer then??? What's the proportion of Westeners I'm likely to encounter? Any specific age groups or nationalities? Having been to Latvia many times, I don't know how people can afford most things there but the Ukraine must even worse. Aren't there any clubs either in Arcadia or the centre where the locals can afford to go? In Bulgaria, we paid $1 for a 500ml of local beer!!! Should have never left that place...

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	Send: 6/1/2010 3:15:28 PM

I think people are getting a little judgemental here - someone who wants to pick up girls in a nightclub isn't giving anyone a bad name. However ... picking up girls out on the town in odessa is very difficult. Odessa is the gold digger/pro-dater capital of eastern europe and the girls by and large will bargain hard for anything they can trade for their one and only asset - their bodies. Also the top 5% or so of girls looks wise are out to land one of the super-rich locals and will barely acknowledge the presence of foreigners. Don't get me wrong though its a great place to go for some sun and some all-through-the-night partying.

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	Send: 6/1/2010 11:13:28 PM

Actually, a rather interesting thread. Drumcode, people are flaming you because you posted about "pulling girls," "adjusting your age," and "passing" for various nationalities. In other words, lying to girls in order to try to meet them/hook up/or fall in love, as you now say. There's nothing wrong with going to a club to pick up girls, it's just that coming on a forum for international marriage seems like the wrong place to do it. I've spent three of the last four summers (and two winters) in Odessa, and far too many nights (and mornings) in the clubs. Why do foreigners who go to Odessa to "pull girls" make it hard for other guys? Because girls in Odessa are exceedingly wary of ALL foreigners, after having seen and interacted with those have come to Odessa just to pick up girls. Most girls in clubs despise foreign men and consider them to be nothing more than walking ATM's. I know plenty of girls who are literally ashamed to be seen even talking with foreigners. The clubs in Odessa are tons of fun, and you probably will fall in love. It will almost certainly be with the wrong kind of girl, however. Unfortunately, you probably won't be aware that she is the wrong kind of girl because her beauty, and the language barrier, will make it hard to think straight and communicate properly. IMHO, the girls in Odessa are the most materialistic and dishonest that I've met anywhere in Russia or Ukraine. It is even worse at the clubs. There is a lot of drug use--coke, speed, ecstasy--at these clubs, and all of the problems that go along with that. You won't see it, because the girls hide it well, but it is there. How else do these girls party until 6am at Ibiza, then go to the after-hours club until noon, and then to Fanconi for sushi and a final bottle of champagne in the afternoon? (and this is literally what they do) The surrounding cities are far better for meeting decent girls. Just my $.02

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	Send: 6/2/2010 9:35:55 AM

Martin wrote: The Yanks will be happy that I'm now, supposedly, one of them :) No way! Your landlord will have to spend thousands of dollars to fixup your place after you're evicted.

Rag'n'Bull

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	Send: 6/2/2010 9:46:22 AM

Batman, Having owned this house for 21 years I figure that might just qualify ME as the landlord! Pssst ..... Just grouting the kitchen tiling, kitchen almost finished now

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