I'm very close to being wed to a young woman born and bred in Simferopol.
Long story short, when we first met she talked and acted like the purest, most inexperienced and innocent person on earth. Since then inconsistencies in her stories of past loves have led to me insisting on a full and frank life history.
Although she is not nearly as innocent as I had assumed (or been led to believe - she blames communication) I do not consider her history to be anything other than normal. And, to be perfectly honest, if I had known her history at the very beginning it would not have changed my intentions towards her.
But I have seen a capacity for deception that I had previously not witnessed in her.
Does anyone know if it's possible to hire a P.I. or maybe a moonlighting police detective just to ask around and find out what her reputation is like?
Of course it's possible to hire an investigator to check her background out but what do you really expect to discover?
Obviously, any marriage/divorce records could be found and well as if she's had children. Her education claims could be checked and if she has a criminal history.
But what if she's some psycho sex slut? There's no reord out there if she has some history of sleeping with a new guy every night of if she has a history of infidelity.
There's a certain point where YOUR judgement of her morals, character, values, etc. has to take over, right? That's another reason why it's preached here to go and meet her and go and visit as much as possible. Letters, phone calls, Skype, etc. only can do so much with the two of you getting to know each other before marriage. You have to go there!
You've got to do this yourself. You are preparing to make the ultimate expression of trust and then contemplate placing trust in another's opinion of her. Go there and stay 3 months and see for yourself. Gossiping and cliquing up about her is what has women do here and the basis of why many of us seek a different mentality that is more focused on family and less @#$%^& (fill in the blank, I could go on for days)
I can live with almost any history. What I can't live with is dishonesty. If she lies in small things if she does not have to, she will lie in big things. That is from my limited experience with FSU> Of course Santiago, it could be as she says - communication.
I can live with almost any history. What I can't live with is dishonesty. If she lies in small things if she does not have to, she will lie in big things.
But that's what I'm saying. No detective will be able to root out someone's dishonesty. You have to go there, and meet her, and get to know her.
For me smoking is a deal breaker. Yet I'm told many, many FSU women smoke but few say so on their profiles. I won't know until I meet her.
Raging Bullshit is another one that needs to take a look in the mirror at himself before criticizing others, if he can't live with lying then he might consider topping himself, he told some 7 or 8 lies pertinent to me in a single morning!
If you don't have trust, you don't have a basis for a solid marriage and it will fail.
Congrats on your engagement, but both of you need to have a good long honest talk and bring everything out in the open, BEFORE you get married and if you are thinking about having kids at some point, it's the kids who'll ultimately suffer most in a marriage break up.
Firstly, Thanks guys.
For the most part very constructive and mature opinions.
SMART MARTIN, I really would appreciate you leaving the kindergarten stuff out of my threads and, by the way, I often find RAGING BULLS contributions to be very fair minded and useful.
Anyway....
I have been over to Crimea twice since March.
At the moment we are waiting for her passport returning with guest visa/rejection (Please GOD don't be rejection!).
We've visited several family/friends of hers.
She is a very decent person but chose to leave undisclosed certain aspects of her past.
For example.
When we first met she often pulled a face at the meer mention of one night stands.
Now I know that, when she worked in Turkey for 2 summers, she did (like most other young people working in holiday resorts) have a few ONS's herself.
Not a big deal.
I told her that I didn't care if she'd slept with 100 men.
But I wanted to hear about it from her.
I said we'd be spending much time in Crimea, I'm already learning Russian.
I did not want to hear something new from a local.
She seemed to finally understand my curiosity and tearfully told me all the 'shameful' secrets of her past.
Compared to myself she's pure!
Compared to most, I imagine, she compares well.
The reason I started to be suspicious is because she is TERRIBLE at dishonesty!
Now I know she was afraid I would feel she was 'some kind of whore'.
It's laughable!
She's wonderful.
If you tell Martin his name is Martin in the forum, he will call you a liar if you get in his bad side. If you then call him Smart Martin, again can call you a liar. You forgot the exclamation point.
It comes with old age. What is someone nearing 70 doing trying to date women in their 20's and then comes to the forum and thinks fights with everyone who he disagres with?
If anyone doubts me that he tried to date and marry a woman in her 20's PM me, I will send you proof. If anyone doubts his age, I will send you a picture of him. He doesn't need a wife, he needs a nurse. It is at this age that his body functions will begin to deteriorate.
Actually Batman, it's my birthday next week, having a terrible time sitting here in the tropics and in my air conditioned hotel room, just got of the last of the 3 aircraft it took me to get here so, in an hour (ish), I'm going for a few beers and then hopefully a good night's sleep.
It's one thing trying to date someone much older trying to date someone in her 20's. It's another thing to complain about it when it goes sour. It would be despicable if such a man went to the net and started a website to complain about the woman. You wouldn't do that would you, Martin?
Stop writing here and stop talking to her about this. It is destructive, pointless and cruel. It is why she is crying, not because of her past, but because her future is in question.
I know one thing, we don't have any fans. Nasfan will say I don't get it. Ralph will call me names and claim it is my fault. Muzzy will start another thread to laugh about it. In the mean time, this woman whose only crime is giving Martin a chance, gets humiliated by a website.
"Stop writing here and stop talking to her about this. It is destructive, pointless and cruel. It is why she is crying, not because of her past, but because her future is in question."
I agree with Rodan, we have all done some things in our past that are "questionable". She seems like an honest girl that just wants to move on with her life and future...
You should start a new thread because the usual IDIOTS are taking over again.
I have an idea... perhaps all the "normal" people should stop posting questions here and let the IDIOTS have this forum to themselves! We could meet on another web forum where these guys are moderated "off"... any suggestions wher we could meet to eleminiate these trash people?