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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Agency fees on meeting ladies. scam or normal? Author Post boredfukka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/26/2010 5:27:29 AM   I have just signed up again and have had some responses from a few ladies. I asked them about the cost of meeting and she said that she uses an/the agency for her protection and to meet someone who is really interested blag blah blah. So is this normal for meetin most ladies off here, ie you will have to pay for their and their interpreters dinner and champagne? Will they say " Thanks for the evening" at the end and then that's it? Which ladies are sincere and which are just making a living? Any advice appreciated as I may be teavelling out next week to see some of them. I obviously don't want to waste my time and hard-earned money. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/26/2010 10:44:20 AM   First of all run a paragraph of their profile intro thru Google to establish how many different websites they may be profiling on, the more websites then the more commercial the product you are contemplating meeting with. Meeting via an agency for protection, what bullshit, the two of you are going to be in public places, restaurant etc, are you really likely to be jumping on top of her? That is a bullshit excuse. Do these ladies speak English or will there be an interpreter along? Yes, if accompanied, you will be expected to pay for all meals and drinks. I never paid an agency to meet with a lady, if she's afraid of meeting you in the public arena then your chances of escorting her home, or anything else, well what do you think? There are thousands of ladies out there prepared to meet without an agency being present, if you need an interpreter then you should be able to shop around for one on the web, so if she insists the agency be present then she's probably on the agency payroll on a commission basis for whatever they can make out of you. Kirkland Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/26/2010 3:58:02 PM   If an agency lady is prepared to meet you it’s for the money. If she’s interested in taking you to a particular restaurant she’s getting a kickback. If she’s got an interpreter in tow…she’s on the menu too. If she suggests an excursion..be prepared to pay top dollar to visit an uninteresting relic. If you can’t cut it by meeting someone off an internet dating site… ask yourself why the normal women from dating sites are not interested yet the hotties from the agencies are. The agencies protecting the ladies is a crock. The first lady I went to see was an agency lady and was alarmed when I called her by her full name one time. This same lady exposed the machinations of her particular agency in full detail to me later in our “relationship boredfukka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/26/2010 6:30:09 PM   Ok thanks for the advice. Does this mean then that all agency ladies on here are not really worth meeting? I think there must be other reasons for joining such as help with translating and surfing the internet etc. So, I have to find one who will meet me without any excuses etc. I thought this site was supposed to cut out most of the scammers who go on the free dating sites? Anyway, I will continue to see what unfolds. I have paid leave for 3 weeks so I want to travel out next week if possible. The ladies are spread out in about 3 different towns, namely Kharkov, Nikolaev and Mariupol. I'm hoping to meet a few at least but I thought maybe they will all be at the seaside now. Hmmm.. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/26/2010 7:07:11 PM   BF, If these ladies that insist on agency presence are all concentrated in one location (city/town) then I would call "scam". If so then write to the lovely Olga ..... olga@fiance.com P.S. I don;t need to ask for naked pics ..... I get to see the real thing! Kirkland Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/26/2010 7:53:37 PM   There seems to be an association between Fiance.com and Anastaisia.com. There is a link on this site to Anastasia.com and a few other of its affiliates. Anastasiaweb.com has one of the worst reputations in the “international marriage industry” I still enjoy the banter of this forum which is why I remain here to partake. A number of years ago I became a member of Fiance.com. (I’m a cheapskate so only took the free membership). To do this I obviously needed an email address, so I set one up for the sole purpose of corresponding with fiancé.com. The only email entering is Fiance.com and Anastaisia.com. Both notify me of unread letters from women who are dying to meet me. The only woman I began paying for correspondence with here I dropped after maybe the 3rd letter. This was right after I asked for her personal email to which she refused. Of course I was distraught, forlorn, and deeply hurt but the overwhelming smell of fish was enough to bring me back from the brink of despair and I cancelled my membership. Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/26/2010 8:05:46 PM   krikladn, brrrrr....where is link on this site to anastasiaweb?:) believe me we are not related:) boredfukka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/27/2010 5:15:18 AM   One lady has replied and she said that she can't give out her number because the agency has its rules. So, I am wondering if a lady can in fact be real yet have to use an agency to correspond. I did get a few phone numbers off here a long time ago but I don't know what I've done with them and they'd've moved on most probably. Oh well, just wait'n'see. Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/27/2010 6:38:38 AM   I once used an interpreter for a meeting with a lady through an agency. I offered to buy her lunch and or drinks. She refused. She said she was working and it would not be appropriate. True. Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/27/2010 10:27:41 PM   Kirkland, bf Last time I met an agency girl: 1: She refused to accept a penny off me - even insisted on splitting taxi's 50/50 when I'd offered to pay it all 2: She took me to the restaurant where she worked, which was one of the most expensive in the town, and insisted on paying for it herself because she wanted to 'treat' me 3: The agency interpreter convinced the girl (who was genuinely nervous about her English skills) to try talking with me directly, and then got off to leave us to it - we hardly spoke to her again for the rest of the five day trip. We were far from fluent with each other, but we got by - with the interpreters non-present and non-charging blessing. 4: She wanted to spend pretty much the whole time introducing me to friends, and spending time alone in the apartment. Ralph, this interpreter said the same thing. I'd suggest that asking the agency such questions (will I be paying for the interpreters meal if we meet at a restaurant) will show the agencies colours well enough, so ask questions like these before booking flights) bf, it's pretty common practice for girls to be unable to give out their number. By itself it's not the 'death knell', but consider it a red flag (count them up as you find them - don't forget the green flags, though - signs it could be real. It's all a balancing game). One agency in Sumy wouldn't allow personal contacts to be given out by the girls over correspondance, but actively encouraged me to swap numbers with pretty much every girl I met - they seemed really keen to get their girls married (a little too keen - to the point of pimping!) After I'd paid for a taxi and apartment, obv. I guess they had their pound of flesh and were happy. The girl from the example above, however, gave me her number without my asking, so I could text her when I'd arrived to Kiev. Different agencies, different M.O.'s, I guess. There are plenty of honest agencies, and plenty of girls who are serious, and seriously nervous about meeting a foreign man (i.e. ' complete stranger') on their own, without support. Just because there are scam agencies, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater by ignoring them all. The free dating sites (fdating, mamba etc.) are usually crawling with 'good time girls' and other non-agency scammers. Keeping ones wits about you is the only way to stay safe, rather than putting all your eggs in one basket (and ignoring all others) Olga, the 'ads by google' at the right side of the forum frequently link to anastasia (and not even through an affiliate - the URL shown on the link clearly says anastasiadate) It's been like this as long as I can remember - just FYI RodanTsunami Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/28/2010 1:18:10 AM   I cannot believe what I am reading and it has been expressed before. You will travel to another country without the ability of communicating with the lady on a fist date and whether the "third wheel" is an interpreter or a chaperone, you contemplate sitting at a table, eating in their presence, without courtesy or good manners and human dignity. You gentlemen are possibly being scammed, but if you are, you have found your equal. Do not bother feigning being offended, you are can still ignore my words and keep your few dollars for the next date, with another woman, because a good woman would find you a boor. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/28/2010 6:08:30 AM   Rodan, I'm a tad confused what you are referring to! The subject, and the majority of discussion, of this thread is what is acceptable agency, at cost, involvement in this meeting ladies process. When I started out on the venture, back in circa 1998, the internet was only just coming in, my initial corresponding was via old fashioned snail mail, the industry then was, in comparison to today, relatively uncommercialised, plenty of free dating sites around whilst other dating sites might have charged to buy ladies contact information. There were other add-on's such as romance tours available but, as I recall, that was pretty much it! Now look at this industry today, it seems every Tom, Dick & Harry can set up a dating site, agency, in many cases from their home abode, we have pay per letter, whilst ladies refuse to provide their personal contact information, per per meeting, pay per chaperone upon meeting, pay for personal contact information etc. etc. etc. How much further will the 'customers' allow this to further commercialise before those customers stand up and say "no, enough is enough", next it will be paying for ladies limousine transport to/from meetings, having her entire bloody family out to dinner at the first meeting, these might sound ridiculous but this whole industry has become ridiculous. As with any business these agencies are in it to make a profit, they need the customers to make that profit from, if they have got their prices and policies wrong, if the customers don't materialise then they would need to revisit their prices and policies and make them more attractive to bring in the customers. I agree that a lady shouldn't divulge her personal contact information to a total stranger, but divulging her email address cannot possibly endanger her, but once they are in to regular correspondence then they should exchange phone numbers etc. If ladies refuse citing 'agency rules' then this is merely for money making reasons, have an agency chaperone present at meeting(s), again a money making exercise, agency insisting upon an agency interpreter, that is price fixing, and so on and so on. If only all the guys, the customers, could get together, and dictate to these agencies "no, we're not paying your silly prices or accepting your policies" then this might achieve decommercialising this 'product' somewhat but that will never happen so it is left to individuals and the best thing they can do is let the agencies know precisely why they will not be meeting with such ladies! Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/28/2010 6:39:50 AM   Martin, I agree with you - somewhat. There are a few exceptions, however. I completely agree that this agency business is commercialised, and I have no problem with that. If someone does a job, they should get paid - in my eyes the agency is no different from the travel agent or hotel. They all want to get as much money as possible for providing as little service as possible. A rule of thumb I always live by is to "never trust anyone who stands to make a profit out of it" - agencies are just another vendor that falls into this category. As long as one keeps this in mind, and doesn't think the agency's priority is to 'help' them, then all is good. An agency insisting on their interpreters etc. being used is no different from a cinema chain refusing to let you take your own food in - their house, their rules. Live with it or go somewhere else. As long as the consumer has a choice, then they're still in control - these agencies did learn capitalism from our side of the globe, after all. Companies fleecing their customers?? Surely not! The problem seems to be that too many guys don't realise that they are the ones with the choice - that even in the small cities there's more than one agency (not to mention the non-agency girls). It's the same problem that leaves many guys, even on the very day we have this discussion, jetting off there with a wedding ring and a wad of cash, oblivious to every point we're discussing here. The majority seem unaware of these issues, and so they have no realisation of scamming, or the 'customer is king' position they're actually in. Of course, to read any advice on this forum, they'd have to trawl through the pointless four-way bickering and name calling that's poisoning pretty much every topic on here - wouldn't they, Martin? :P (I only use your name because I'm specifically replying to you - but your confederates and opposite numbers know who they are) I'd say that what's really needed is not necessarily de-commercialisation, but regulation. If all agency and intermediary sites were required to have a section pointing to an independent, internationally hosted advice centre, and a page showing prices and policies of all agencies (comparetheagency.com or something), I think a lot of people would run into a lot less trouble. Of course, we are talking regulation and FSU. Okay, you can stop laughing now. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/28/2010 6:53:53 AM   Muzzy, The only points I'll make are regarding your comparisons. You talk of a cinema not allowing food in ..... we have a choice, we can eat before we go to watch the movie. Travel agents ..... again we have a choice, as you know I do personally, we can shop around via various travel sites, or directly to the airline or hotel chain, and we go for the best price available. In comparison these agencies can dictate so much, if you want an interpreter you MUST use our interpreter at perhaps twice the price of the going rate, but, back to the original point of the thread, a lady insisting that an agency escort her on a first meeting is bloody ridiculous and nothing more than a money making exercise! Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/28/2010 8:30:54 AM   Martin, We also have the same choice regarding dating women before flying to the FSU. I believe there are several million women in the UK alone. You don't need the cinema's food, you don't need Russia's women. We also have a choice when it comes to agencies. We can 'shop around' there just as easily as we can with anything else. While a specific girl might only be with one specific agency, all agencies know there are many other beautiful girls with agencies just around the corner from them. We still have a choice, and they still need our money - they can be much more 'pliable' than they appear, especially if the girl is serious. She will give them hell for messing up her chances - again IF she's serious. Also, I again have to point to my earlier thread regarding my own experience. The girl was quite serious, but also visibly nervous. The majority of girls I've met who've never before met a foreigner are. Once again, this girl wanted the interpreter there for the first meeting, and pretty much after that wanted to be alone with me, and the interpreter was happy with that - she wasn't pushing for work in any way whatsoever. I've also gone with an agency who translated all week without charging a penny. To say that there can only be one reason a girl could possibly say she wants the interpreter present is, I must say, a little narrow. Only fools and the unimaginative deal in absolutes and Martin, you've never struck me as either. The OP states the girl 'said' she uses the agency, not that she 'insisted' on it. There's a clear difference in intent and attitude between the two. We haven't even discussed the possibility that the girl hasn't said any such thing, and that the letter interpreter herself inserted that little clause. I've known that to happen. I stick to my point that a central point of comparison between agencies would force them to actually compete with each other for both price and practice. It is, after all, the only thing that keeps travel agent charges down. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/28/2010 8:52:29 AM   Muzzy, I'm not disagreeing with you, you make valid points, but a genuine, whilst perhaps nervous, lady would ask the man if he minded if her sister, cousin, friend etc. accompanied her on their first date, that family or friend would be more than happy to do so just for a restaurant meal and/or a few drinks. As soon as a lady says "agency" then what she is actually saying is "$$$$$" and at the man's expense, nasfan has often talked of his experiences and his determination he practiced in separating the lady from the agency and at the earliest convenience. I can picture what so often happens, boredfukka turns up, the ladies eat and drink at his expense for the evening, then he's faced with a $100 agency fee for the evening and has to fork out for their 2 taxis home on top, the lady is working the next day and can only meet him in the evening, he idles the day away then, low and behold, she arrives with the agency in tow again, another expensive evening + $100 + 2 taxis and so it goes on. At some point the guy needs to make a stand and say "no" and the sooner the better, it is said prevention is better than cure hence boredfukka asking the question before he gets in to such a kind of situation! Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/28/2010 9:09:29 AM   oops - I made a post on the war thread. it should have been posted here. bf asks a question. a valid one. at least he asked and it was a good question. he should not be flamed. I don't need to add anything, the most recent posts already answered. all I can say is that no matter what precautions you take there is still that chance it is a set up. and if you cannot separate the girl from the agency then all you are doing is donating money to that agency. RodanTsunami Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/28/2010 1:35:06 PM   When you meet a woman under the condition of having an interpreter present, it is a conplex meeting. To you and the lady, your expectation is of a personal nature. It is however a business meeting to the interpreter. Regardless, tradition in both venues, make it your party. You have to "pay to play", but you can choose the game and manage the team. I have been a party to this type of meeting. Some the lady had no interest in me and other times I had no interest in the lady. I would however not take a woman I had not been in contact with to an expensive dinner. It is much like sending money to someone you have never met. There are coffee and ice cream shops in every city I have visited. Take the lead and give instructions as to where you meet. It seems that it is not only women that believe in "Fairy Tales". In my home town, I have taken a woman out on a first date and used a 2 for 1 coupon. Lady friends of mine ridicule me for doing so and I tell them that "They might as well understand what I am like from the start". I pick up the check, but on my terms. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/28/2010 1:56:51 PM   Rodan, So, one one day, you invite the lady to a coffee shop during the daytime, it doesn't work out, so what do you do in the evening, go for dinner on your lonesome hoping and praying that you can find an English language restaurant? I'd say, for the mere cost of a meal and drinks, it's worth it to have some pretty female companionship for dinner, forget an interpreter, go for English speaking ladies only. RodanTsunami Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/28/2010 4:30:48 PM   I wouldn't go without first making contact. That would not preclude me from any venue. If I got burned, then the first date with another woman for me might be anywhere. I was not the one griping about money or an interpreter. I have actually befriended one of my interperters and had she not had children with lives established in there native city, she would likely be the one. She was in fact, not the "Third Wheel" on the 10 dates during the week, but in fact jealous. Sometimes we forgot we were not alone.... But duty has taken priority...... For now. And as long as I say Dolma, I won't be hungry Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Agency fees on meeting ladies. scam or normal?
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