I just had some replies from ladies. When it comes down to the nitty gritty, ie you ask for their mobile or email addresses and say you will call them in Ukraine they write back and say that they only use the agency and make lot is of excuses as to why and one just wrote back and said she wasn't interested EVEN THOUGH SHE was the one who wrote the first letter, albeit 3 months ago or so. It must also be just the agency replying instad of the ladies, because I have had replies within minutes during the day and it can therefore only be someone in an office replying. They wouldn't have time to send it on to the REAL lady (if there is one)
So, my question is: Are there any REAL ladies on here who aren't in for a quick $100? If so, how do you weed them out?
just concentrate on ladies with private email, if you are fiance.com meber and know what you do.
if you have been corresposnidning for some time and she showed ineterst, ask for the phonenumber, call her. if she says somebody did not allow her to do it . report to the support. we will investigate and close that agency. as always, simply ask for help, if you are our member.
baron 555...cheeky f***er! They're all scammers on here, fixed to the agency concerned. I've read a lot of posts on here and most guys seem to have the same problem. So, the question is why are we all still here? That's the question. And I have an artistic name so I don't care what sort of impression you have of me, it's not the same as my username anyway. cheeky f***er
bf, don't worry about Baron too much. His posts usually involve talking down to people and insulting them - I think it's just his way, I'm not even sure he means any harm by it.
Olga, I'm sorry to say it, but you've actually given some pretty bad advice there. The ones with private email addresses are usually the worst. 95% of them are from Lugansk (although they never say that - their profile always gives their location as some small town or village close by - one has to Google it to find its a suburb of Lugansk). For a few weeks, I amused myself by going through all of the new profiles as they were posted, and looking up the large number of 20-something blondes with private email addresses from some unknown town. Lugansk, EVERY time! Some were quickly removed (but not before I could see that they'd received letters), and others were reported by me to you guys for being such obvious fakes (using pics of hollywood celebs is surely just stupid - but your quality control never picked it up once. Not even when they posted the exact same profile you'd removed after I'd reported it, within a week, with the same photos).
I'm still a member of fiance.com, and I know how to avoid the fakes, but in no way would I say its scammer-free (or even scammer-low), and the quickest way to find a scammer seems to be to go for those profiles showing a private email address.
I did complain once to AOB that when I sent my gf $300 for my trip to Ukraine for two days hotel, train trip and to fix her phone, the agency accompanied her to Western Union and took 10%. I even accused them of complicity. They denied it and blamed it on the agency.
AOB and Globalladies are mentioned in this forum many times as scam agencies. Is it possible that they are as proactive as Olga and they are being accused unfairly?
well Muzzy, thsi is what I have said on this forum many many times. One should think on his actions. We can not read anybody's mind. you have all the tools on fiance.com to figureout who is sincere who is not. report to help us stop any scammers. so agency, not agency, fiance or macth coms, just be careful.
I've read a lot of posts on here and most guys seem to have the same problem.
Ahh, there-in lies your real problem....you're reading the posts on this forum, maybe this is the only forum you read. This forum is famous for only talking about scammers and being scammed; there is very little talk about any other part of the process....and virtually no talk about sucesses.
I don't mean to insult but if you don't give the real women a good first impression, they are not going to write to you whereas the scammers will.
You make a good point, Baron, that this forum does talk mostly about scammers, but surely that's partly because only those who are in the early stages ever post. Those who have found their wife, with all the advice to give, tend to stay silent about it (I'm not just talking about you here, but anyone new to this place would be challenged to know who has had any success)
You yourself and others in your position are the only ones that can change this situation. I'm no different, though. I'm currently in Mariupol with friends, and am going to Kiev next week to meet three girls from EM (meetings arranged on the phone and by email - numbers and addresses given in the first week, just for your interest), and I haven't posted anything about it on here - or the last trip I made. I've stopped talking about my process because of all the idiotic bickering (which you will note has also infected this thread).
but surely that's partly because only those who are in the early stages ever post.
But I disagree that in the early stages all you ever meet are scammers. I never did and yes I did eventually vet out one true scammer and a number of Good Time Girls (or psuedo GTGs). I think that those that post here about their scammer experiences bring this upon themselves. I am convinced that they are also scammer-men; those have unrealistic expectations or those who are truly not serious or not serious about being serious. There are plenty of suggestions about how to prepare to begin and what to do and what not to do, that any serious person should be able to get started and have some successes (this assumes that they themselves are intersting people to begin with).
The knuckleheads that infect evey thread (and who have zero credibility because of this and regardless of any real experience they may actually have to offer) have rendered these forums virtually useless except for any discussion about scammers.
I never read any forum and did all my homework on my own. The first forum I ever pariticpated in came after we had met in person and agreed to marry and pursue the visa.
And to bf, you never answered some of my questions, so we can not help you with your question.
What kind of ladies are you writing to?
What is the age difference?
What do you write about, initially?
When do you ask for the personal email or phone number?
Have you tried Olga's suggestion to correspond only with those with private emails?
If you truly are serious about being serious, and you want some suggestions, then you need to provide information. I can only assume that if you choose to not provide any, then you are not really serious, and therefore the real women can sense this and you only get to talk with the scammers....and therein lies your initial problem. This really isn't rocket science.
Baron, I've got some mobile numbers now. Also, I think some of the ladies DO actually need the agency as support as they do not speak (or think they speak) ENglish very well. I think the scammers are vaguely recognisable because they start with "Hi There" or go on about "I love walking along the seashore on a summer's afternoon watching the waves break..." or such similar BS.
Anyway, I've got some numbers and real answers now afterall, so there must be some real ladies there.