A very sweet woman I know in Russia, now in her late 30s, lost her mom to cancer in 2010. I believe her mother was in her early to mid 50s at the time.
A few days ago, she wrote me that her father died, just a few weeks short of 3 years after her mother. I don't know his cause of death, but if I recall correctly, he cannot have been more than about 60.
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To see how this post relates to the thread, please look at the first page. Unfortunately, a few men completely trashed the thread with unrelated feuding. There are 2 posts by "Harvey" in which he gives his own personal anecdotes from his wife's family. None of the other posts add any relevant information.
You might not have liked what I wrote. It might not be relevant to what you said. I do not see it that way. That did not warrant the name calling and being cussed at. That was what Ralph was about. Then, you had the nerve to tell me that I have been in the most squabbles here in the forum. Most of it was with Ralph. Why did you choose this thread to tell your story? This time, I will ruin it.
As you said, the thread has been trashed. You referred readers to the first page. Ralph started his name calling there. How can anyone miss that? Is that how you want how Russian families suffer, from their wretchedly poor life expectancy?
I was blamed for trashing this thread. Try cussing and calling someone names in any thread and see what happens. Ignore my post. Discuss with me how you want the conversation to go. I will do that. I still don't see how I was off topic until Ralph started his sh....
For those of us from developed countries, the first time to see a hospital in the FSU is shocking.
Just yesterday, a fire in a psychiatric hospital outside of Moscow killed dozens of patients. The news story I read about this disaster, said that it is not unusual.
It has been more than 24 hours since the last post was posted. Many posts are probably waiting to be moderated. Moderating is not a big priority for the moderators. It is not what destroys the forum anyway. It is how we treat each other.
Groups on VK and show the hardships individuals have with disabilities and terminal illnesses in the FSU. One should still study their situations carefully if they want to contribute. I think many of them are legitimate. They do not follow the pattern of what scammers do.
1) They do not disappear when they are asked if they are legitimate.
2) They give proof of their hospital bills.
3) They help each other.
4) There are many contributors, sometimes hundreds for one cause.
5) They warn each other about scammers. Sometimes, scammers masquerade as the ones who need help and they switch bank accounts with their own.
hey Durak, there work environment has to be the common factor in early deaths for men.
woman are not connected as much with industrial environments as guys.
the woman side is more of a hard working life involved with bad nutrition away from engineering.
the guys have that and the industrial seen to contend with once upon a time, and maybe still.
with winter in many parts they are stuck indoors with little venting of chemicals asbestos engineering fumes or whatever.
my girls dad passed away from cancer from their ship industry a year before i met her(crazily young)
her mum suffers from years of hard work and once upon a time poor nutrition, also poor hospital help.
theres also a lot more asbestos there then they let on.
i should take samples back to nz from around their home sometime and test, i know what the answer will be.
they say they are clean.
Yet another instance -- today, I just learned of the death of a Russian friend's father. Her mother had died years ago, before I met her. She lost both parents before the age of 38.
You are right. It is terribly sad. In my 13 trips to the FSU, I have seen many sad things. These countries are suffering from a massive social and economic crisis, almost akin to the damage from WWII. Russia is rapidly losing population; the government will pay a woman to have a child, whether she is married or not. The money isn't close to the costs of the raising the child. But one thing
I noticed in Russia was the seeming paucity of children when I was out in public. As to the lifespan, you are correct. I think much of it is due to alcoholism, smoking, and just generally hard living. I've noticed something in the last 5 years on these sites. When I was 55, I would receive countless letters from women. But when I turned 60, I am not so popular anymore. The women there have not done their homework. American men can live well into their 80's and beyond if they take care of themselves. My father is 89, his brother is 90, and I have two other uncles who are both 86. What do my relatives have in common? Avoid excess alcohol, don't smoke, and eat a healthy diet.
Yet another horrific hospital fire in Russia -- this time in a village north of Moscow -- 37 pyschiatric patients dead.
@Scorpio1951:
Rereading your post, where you wrote "almost akin to the damage from WWII," I read (2 or 3 years ago now) that Russia has more children in orphanages or other settings without care by their birth parents than in 1945. The human toll is beyond reckoning.