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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > ANASTASIA ROMANCE SOCIALS STINK Author Post jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/10/2010 1:19:38 AM   I bet none of the old time readers expected me to knock Romance Socials - and I won't provided we are talking about AFA but I must admit Anastasia stinks. Okay - having been a participant in a few AFA Socials and having been very pleased at the results - my shedule would not permit it this time - so I decided to give Anastasia a try. Went to Kharkov and attended two on back to back nights and they were terrible. First of all they start at 1:00 pm on a Friday. WHat decent girl wants to go to a disco at 1:00 pm on a Friday? Around 40 girls showed up of which around 20 were interesting. There were about 15 guys. There are typically 200 to 300 girls at an AFA Social - they start at 5:00 or 6:00 pm and they have generally two days between. I will write more later. But just want to tell you what a disappointment Anastasia is. aucklander Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/10/2010 5:56:50 AM   Jetmba - I know that you've had a lot of time at romance socials, but one of the people I met in Ukraine was a translator who has worked at various socials. Her opinion is just about unprintable, but it boils down to "most of the guys are hopeless, and the girls just want someone to use." Note I said MOST - she did say that some seemed genuine, but her classic was the 60+ guy who succeeded in picking up a hot 27 year old (who spoke no English, and convinced him to leave with her and her "girlfriend" to go clubbing!). No interpreter wanted on this voyage - my friend reckoned that they deserved each other. Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/10/2010 10:34:18 PM   socials are good for picking up a young hottie to have sex with and usually not much else. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/10/2010 10:34:45 PM   Aucklander: AFA had a Kharkov Romance Social about a week after Anastasia's series. I didn't go to it as I had already spent a considerable amount on the Anastasia Socials - but I happen to be in the same hotel as the men were staying. (And incidently I was told that they had around 200 to 250 girls at the AFA Kharkov Social - much more than the 40 or so in the same city with Anastasia). Anyway I happen to be in the restaurnt and met thee translators - they were the SAME group that Anastasia uses. So these people see what its all about from both companies. The average Anastasia participat was much closer to the 60 years old that you describe. One guy I met, a very nice older gentlemen who seemed to have been tossed quite a few lemons during his life - but looking every bit the typical older 60 year old - had a full schedule of dates with women all in their early 20's. He was very oprganized and seemed to have multiple dates every single day. I know that he had gone clubbing with at least one of these girls and if I am not mistaken he did spend over $500 on a single day (which he vowed never to allow to happen again). BUT he was having the time of his life. Is it likely he was being "used" by the girls he was meeting. Of course it was. But asuming he could afford the trip and wasn't being bankrupted by it (and I don't know his fiancial situation) he was loving evry minute of it. There certainly are hopeless guys who are seen as big piggy banks by the ladies involved. Its a fact. And if they are coming, hopint to land a beautiful 25 year old wife - who will truly love them, be faithful and have no problem being their bride - with a 40 year age difference - well then they are mistaken. BUT at both sets of Socials there were also younger guys (many more younger guys with AFA) - guys in their 30's and 40's who certainly had a legitimate chance. Personally - I never spent more than $50 in a night on any of these nights and though I did meet some girls who were clearly too young for me (note the entry above) I was fully aware of it - and was only enjoying the evening. Romance Socials, regardless of the company putting them on, ar far from perfect - but they beat the hell out of aimless letter writing in my biased opinion. baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2010 9:06:06 AM   But notice that after all these socials and meetings with many women, there has been no relationship. I wonder what that say? jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2010 10:09:01 AM   Baron555: You've been here a while. No doubt you've heard me recite my story before. In the event your memory is fading I will give a summary. October 2003 attended first set of Socials in Odessa. Met Moldovan. Became engaged and brought her to America 2005. A personal tradegy and the fact that she wanted to return to her widowed mother caused it not to work. But we still stayed close. April 2007 - attended Romance Social in Mariupol exclusively to meet woman willing to come to America with me. Met wonderful girl and had 2 1/2 year realtionship with her. But unfortuantely I kept in contact with first girl. Was on cusp of making commitment to second girl when I decided to see ex who I still had feelings for in Kiev. January 2009 - went with Moldovan girl to Kiev. Caught by Mariupol girls sister in statistically impossible turn of events. Can't say anything about either of these two girls here as its possible they could read forum - but lets just say that things continue to unfold. My problem with Romance Socials hasn't been "no relationship". Its been TOO MANY. And I'm loving every minute of it. baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2010 12:34:03 PM   But none of the relationships ever lasted or ever amounted to being together forever, for whatever reasons. I'm not here to argue but to just raise a point and maybe help others, who may feel they are getting nowhere in their pursuits or to the newbies who may think that these forums tender useful information. To paraphrase from your posting: "Romance Socials ......beat the hell out of aimless letter writing in my biased opinion." My question to this thinking is What happens after the social? OK, so you've personally met a woman. What happens next? Do you two file our the visa forms and then get together and get married? No, you must get to know each other. One can't do that at a one-time party. And yes one can not do that with one email.....but you two must still get to know each other. This means communications, between you two. And usually the two will not remain together for many months, so it will eventually come down to how well you do at using the various communication mediums to get the know each other. Unless, I'm completely wrong about socials? Secr3t Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2010 12:41:53 PM   But isn't this part of the reason why so many fail at dating FSU women? I mean it is great you actually go there and meet the girls, because that is the biggest complaint I hear from girls is that guys on sites, be it here, EM/DM/Anastasia is that guys chat blah blah blah and that is all, they just chat for ever but never really do anything about going to meet the girl in question. This is why so many girls now "test" the guys by asking them to come after a few emails, because the girls that are genuine are bored of wasting there time "chatting" to guys for the guy never to do anything about it. Then there is the flip side, guys that do go but are only interested in a bit of fun and quite a few girls on the various sites have become quite accustom to guys like that, and will quite gladly turn the tables and get guys from dating sites to pay for drinks/meals/night clubs endlessly without giving anything in return. Then there is the "kids in a sweet shop syndrome", the guy that goes there is so excited by all the wonderful sights that he cant choose and then makes the mistake of playing two or more at the same time, I have met guys in Ukraine "dating" many at the same time and it pretty much always ends in tears because the girl gets hurt or the guy and to be honest I have little sympathy when it does go wrong. The thing is by posting something like that you have just branded yourself as insincere, the fact is your still saying things are "unfolding" with both of them points to the fact your still talking to them both and "seeing where things go" and well hopefully they do read this and see where your true loyalty's lie. Make a choice and stick with it, if it doesn't work then end it, don't go back, find the right one, but don't go wondering what if with other girls. As for socials, most of the girls will go for free drinks/something to do or just out of curiosity. Why guys would pay $5k a go to attend an organised trip from the states to attend a party in the FSU to meet girls where you can be sure the vast majority will be there for the reasons i just stated is beyond me. That is not to say there are not genuine girls that attend the socials, but they are few and far between. why not just be brave, book your own ticket/hotel and go there yourself and just go to a few clubs/coffee shops/parks and talk to people. You are more likely to meet genuine girls that way than at socials and well you could probably fund two trips there for the price of one "social" The fact you stated you have been on quite a few socials and its not the lack of relationships but too many and the fact your loving every minute of it, just brands you as another romance tourist that goes for fun and part of the reason why more and more girls there view guys on these sites as a meal ticket/free night out. So maybe when you do think you have found the right one and it doesn't work as she views you as a free ticket you will look back on what you have said here and think "ah well maybe I deserved it" but somehow I doubt you will :-) So why complain about Anastasia? your having fun, ok the fun is probably costing you $5k a trip but that is your choice, you cant really complain about the girls intentions at Anastasia socials when you clearly have shown your own here. I am not saying that Anastasia socials are good or any better than other sites, personally i think there all the same, but you and the majority of guys that attend them are your own worst enemy's and then whinge like old women when they wasted "good money" on a trip for nothing. You either view them as a holiday with a bit of fun and loose the right to complain about them or make a serious effort yourself to find someone and avoid wasting money on socials when you could just as easily meet the same girls in a coffee shop/bar/club. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2010 12:49:18 PM   Baron555: What happens after you make contact with a lady by letter and think there may be something between you two? Do you fill out the visa forms right away? Okay, not a fair question I grant you because according to the LAW you actually have to meet her in person and CAN'T apply for a fiance visa until you do. But if it WAS legal I would certainly hope that those in this forum would not apply until having met the girl. To do otherwise would be fool hardy not to mention stupid. Well its the same way with Romance Socials. A meeting is just a meeting. THEN you spend time afterward sending emails, letters and making telephone calls. The difference is that you know this girl ACTUALLY EXISTS. And you know that she is aware of YOUR existance (not the production of some letter writing hack in an agency office) AND you know you have personal chemistry between you! Thats IMPORTANT. WHen I met my Mariupol lady - we danced a slow dance. I held her small hand in mine. And we didn't let go for the two hours that followedm through the end of the Social. Try doing THAT by writing letters. None of my relationships lasted? I beg to differ. I've known one lady seven years and still know her - she doesn't want to live in America (many FSU women don't). And I must be vague about whats going on now - but seven years is a long time. Other relationship that I messed up lasted three years. I can't give certain details in this public forum. But neither of these was or is a flash in the pan. Thank you for allowing a certain possibility with your last sentence. I dare say you may very well match the assumption you make. baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2010 1:18:11 PM   At the top of the page is written: Fiance.com: Beautily Russian Brides To me that means the ultimate goal should be marriage not just a long relationship. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2010 1:26:51 PM   To me a social where there are hundreds of girls are overkill. You are either there to find a mate or have fun. You can certainly have fun, but as Secr3t says, it will be difficult to come out of there with just one girl. You can have one girl and a back up, but believe me each will know that the other will exist and will bring it up now and then. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2010 1:26:52 PM   Secr3t: I'm not a movie star or a person who lives in the public limelight. This is not a deposition or a public hearing where I might be required to divulge aspects of my personal life. I CHOOSE what I will make public and I make no apologies for that. What is going on with these two girls as of January 2009 when I chose to divulge the mistake I made in Kiev is my business. If I had wanted to be more specific I would have been. I can only tell you that there is still something going on between myself and someone. And you will have to be satisfied with that. And since when do I have to demonstrate or prove my sincerity and intentions to members of a public forum? That is also between myself and the lady/ies involved. I haven't read much of your writing yet. You seem to have become active since my last period of activity in this forum. But you can bet that when you divulge something I will be asking you for all the sordid details of your relationship. After all whets fair is fair. "As for socials, most of the girls will go for free drinks/something to do or just out of curiosity. " You know this for a fact, do you? Do you have studies to back it up? Maybe personal experience (are you a LADY who has attended many socials?) Or is it just a wild guess? "That is not to say there are not genuine girls that attend the socials, but they are few and far between. " Again, you've done some sort of statistical research? Maybe conducted a survey? Or are you just talking out of your ass? (Pssst... I bet its the last one.) "just go to a few clubs/coffee shops/parks and talk to people." So just try the hit and miss method? When was the last time a foreigner came up to you in a park and asked you out and you developed a lasting relationship out of it? I bet never. I don't know what you do for a living but my time spent away from work is limited. I simply don't have time to conduct a hit or miss casual "man on the street" campaign. ALL of the ladies invited to these Romance Socials are listed with agencies. Therefore they have demonstrated a willingness to meet a foreign man, despite the comments from your backside. That cannot be said of the people who just happen to be in the park - who may welcome the approach of a stranger at all. And lastly - never once did I complain about the intentions of the girls at the Anastasia Romance Social. I only complained about the number of girls and the administration of the Romance Social. You might do better to read and comprehend my post before responding to it. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2010 1:34:30 PM   "At the top of the page is written: Fiance.com: Beautily Russian Brides To me that means the ultimate goal should be marriage not just a long relationship." Barron555: Wow Barron you got me. I must be posting in the wrong forum. Imagine that. But you caught me. Does it actually say "Beautily" Brides? I'm not sure I have ever met anyone who was Beautifly. I prefer Beautiful myself. Strike one. And neither of these two women are (or were) Russian. One was Moldovan and the other was Ukrainian! Strike two on me. And last, I though the whole point here was to find a wife (is there a time limit involved?), and not a bride. Does that mean once the wedding is over the relationship is too? Strike three and out.pb Yep Barron - you got me. I humbly apologize for not living up to your expectations. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2010 1:56:37 PM   From my own post. "I CHOOSE what I will make public and I make no apologies for that." EXCEPT to Barron - because I feel so so so so very bad for not following what he imagines to be a time limit. Again I apologize (to Barron). baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2010 2:59:19 PM   Oh stop. But you have admitted to my point that after you initially meet a woman, you two need to communicate a lot, and usually using remote means, in order to get to know each other. The social is only one ends to the means of making an initial meeting; many of us have done is very successfully by other means. No one way is more correct or not. And no, there is no time limit. You can take your entire life to find your perfect mate. I would challenge you to look inside and determine why it is taking so long to tie the knot? Do you think the ladies are expecting this to take years when they first sign up? There may be a mismatch there. I think more emphasis should be placed on how one communicates and what is said and asked than how to make that first meeting. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2010 3:22:24 PM   Barron: Again the time limit thing. WE'RE not having a problem with it. SO why should it bother you? jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2010 3:26:00 PM   OF COURSE you need to communicate. NOBODY should ever plan to marry anyone that they have not communicated with and gotten to know pretty well. Only a fool would consider such a thing having just met at a Romance Social or written a few letter. You state and emphasize the obvious point very well. Secr3t Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2010 3:51:38 PM   o you don't have to prove your sincerity on here to me or anyone else, maybe we have totally misunderstood you or misinterpreted what your true intentions meanings are, if we have sorry. But equally when you make a public posting such as that, you cannot complain that people make an assumption when you clearly make a statement saying about all the fun you have had and various women you are seeing/dating at the same time. "As for socials, most of the girls will go for free drinks/something to do or just out of curiosity. " Yes having spoken to plenty of guys that have attended them, know plenty of girls there that do exactly that at socials, some of them work for me or have worked for me in the past (I will add that my current and previous business interests have nothing to do with socials, dating, or any other activity such as that). The fact I have had business interests in Ukraine, Russia, Moldova, Romania and still do in some of them, means that I do travel there a lot and yes also know a lot of people there, and I can promise you a lot of the girls there will go along for curiosity, free drinks or just a night out. Now I will state it again I am NOT saying ALL girls that attend them are like that but I am sure a fair few guys here that have also spent any length of time in FSU will agree that is the case and does happen a lot, especially the guys that have met girls or married girls from FSU will attest that their partners have told them the same thing. So why is this or any other of the sites, DM/Anastasia/AFA/EM not a hit and miss affair? you really believe that every girl on those sites is really and genuinely looking for an American/European guy? be real. You have just as much chance of finding a genuine girl in a Bar/Coffee shop/Club as you have finding a genuine one at socials or on any of these sites. "ALL of the ladies invited to these Romance Socials are listed with agencies. Therefore they have demonstrated a willingness to meet a foreign man" In part I agree, yes they are all listed with the agencies, but a willingness to meet a foreign man? oh come on be clearer, do you really believe all those girls listed really want to marry some foreign man? everyone of them on here/DM/Anastasia/AFA/EM? of course not there is a fair number (actually quite a large number) that have answered the ad in the local paper from the local agencies that state "pretty girls 18-35 wanted to chat to foreign men, work from home, earn good money writing letters" The telephone numbers in the ad's are associated with quite a few of the well known local agencies used by the big 3 sites, there is no attempt to even hide it in Ukraine, next time you are there go look for yourself. Then you have the professional daters that just want free holidays/gifts/drinks. Then you have the just curious who have heard stories about marriages to foreign men and just want to see what it is all about and then finally at the bottom of the list you get to the genuine girls that want to meet someone, but what percentage of girls fit that last category? I would hazard a guess at very small, but since as you point out i havent polygraphed and interviewed them all personally i can put a precise figure on it, but I am confident enough to say it is a pretty small percentage, you just have to look at the amount of success stories that get together and are still together 5/10 years later to prove that one :-) Socials, pay per letter, so called mail order bride sites in general are a huge revenue generator for both the sites in the US and the local agencies also to fair extent quite a few of the girls too. As for Anastasia socials, I happened to have seen a few of them in Kharkov and Nikolaev in the past even been invited to attend (didn't because I was happily married) But we did know and recognise a few of the girls attending and chatted about why they were attending. so yes it is based on fact, not some rose tinted glassed view of an outsider. The one in Nikolaev there was LOTS of girls there as for the guys we saw turning up? well it was sad really because I am sure those guys wouldn't dare approach such good looking girls back home for fear of being laughed at. So why do it in the FSU? I am really curious what drives guys like that to attend these socials, especially when there have been so many online documented negative experiences, want to share with us jetmba? There are quite a few stunning girls that attend these socials, they make contestants on America's/<insert country of choice> next top model look fugly :-) Do you really think that stunning girl that can have pretty much any guy she wants at home is going to want to date/marry have a family with some 50/60 guy from america/europe why? do you really have to ask yourself why? The myth that FSU girls want older guys is purely a myth perpetuated by the less scrupulous agencies, most girls there will accept an older guy but on average 10-15 years older not some 18-25 year old wanting someone 20/30/40 years older. Occasionally relationships do work with that kind of age difference but rarely and it is not the norm. Most of you guys have visited Ukraine/Russia/FSU in general at least once, how many local couples do you see where the guy is 50/60 and she is 20/30? (ok exclude oligarchs) :-) Since you mention Ukrainian and Moldova girls specifically, for the average Ukrainian girl family is really important, not just there currently family but a future family and finding a guy that will support them and any children emotionally and financially in the future is important to them, now take for instance a girl between 18 - 28 and the guy is say 55 for instance, she will want kids, she will then look at him and ask herself can he provide for me and my children with a stable future? then she looks at the age, and thinks it could take 2 - 3 years to get to marriage from first meeting Secr3t Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2010 4:19:21 PM   Since you mention Ukrainian and Moldova girls specifically, for the average Ukrainian girl family is really important, not just there currently family but a future family and finding a guy that will support them and any children emotionally and financially in the future is important to them, now take for instance a girl between 18 - 28 and the guy is say 55 for instance, she will want kids, she will then look at him and ask herself can he provide for me and my children with a stable future? then she looks at the age, and thinks it could take 2 - 3 years to get to marriage from first meeting, then maybe in a years time after the wedding a baby will appear, the guy is now 58/59. fast forward 10 years and the kid wants to go play football outside with his father, the dad is now 68/69. What view do you think that girl is going to have on a guy that is now nearly 70? while she is mid to late thirties and in her prime? do you really expect it to last? Since family is really important to a lot of Ukrainian girls, put yourself in her shoes and think how she is going to view you and the future for any prospective family. As for Moldavian girls i am not even going to go there as that is a whole different story :-) This is not a personal slight on you jetmba or any other guys that are 50+ I just wonder how well you have thought it through. Maybe you have and don't care, only you know the reality. But your posts earlier did not portray it well and that is why you got the reaction you did. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2010 4:20:24 PM   What you still fail to understand is #1. I'm not complaining about Romance Socials in general (just Anastasia) nor am I complaining about the girls I have met there. I have met (at least) two incredible girls - who didn't go just for curiosity, wern't there for free drinks. So your theory and conjecture doesn't cut the mustard. Are all the girls sincere and interested in marrying a foreign guy? OF COURSE NOT. You'd have to breed them on special farms to get uniform behavior. But you don't NEED all the women to be sincere - just just need ONE to be successful. If you aren't bright enough to weed out the insincere women then you shouldn't be doing this (any of this) in the first place. And you keep on talking about how you have lived in these various places. Well bully for you. (If I had a medal for your great accomplishment I would gladly give it to you. Then you HAVE the time to casually stroll around to coffee shops and parks and gop wherever the wind blows you and casually meet women. I am so happy for you. But guess what. Not all of us can pick up and live there. I generally go for three weeks at a time and for this purpose a Romance Social works much better than simply drifting around. "when you clearly make a statement saying about all the fun you have had and various women you are seeing" You also seem to be downright jealous of the fact that I enjoy myself when I do this. I'm sorry that I am not seeing this with turmoil and dread. Perish the thought that someone have FUN when looking for a mate. I guess this is BUSINESS and there's room for levity. I think thats YOUR problem. (Have you noticed yet, I'm not asking for help?) Bottom line. IT WORKS (Romance Socials). I am proof. There's no weeping here. Sorry to disappoint you. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > ANASTASIA ROMANCE SOCIALS STINK
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