Yes baron, i know all this, i actualy dated a girl who before i actualy saw her and got her mobile number she used an interpreter to pretend to be her on the phone and also write her e-mails etc. It was not until i met her that she was prepared to correspond with me directly. So buying information can be a false economy or a set up.
Many years ago I tried bride.ru but the rumour then was that they take the profiles etc. from other sites and resell those profiles.
I've just taken another peek at their site and, they're still advertising it, 100 new ladies per day, 700 per week, how on earth can they know in advance, and they've been advertising this for years, that 100 ladies are going to sign up with them every day for 365 days a year, that's 36,500 ladies a year they say sign up with them, and they know this in advance?
It's many years since I tried bride.ru but I recall being disappointed with the results, very few responses etc. which served to verify, the rumour, that these were second hand profiles taken from other sites and who knows if the contact informations were real or fake also!
okay, let's beat it into the ground.
I met my wife through EM. In the early stages I "googled" her name, city etc. etc. etc. Aside from finding her name in a who's who directory and associated businesses I also find her on other dating sites. One of the amazing things about google is that it confirmed everything she told me about her education, business dealings and career.
this lady was 100% honest from the start.
Well, she shows up on another dating site. And then another. I question her about it and she said, 'Yes, I signed up on that site. But after researching it I found out that it was not a "good" site. That they were not honest. I quit that site. That is when I found out about EM and signed up there. My photos on EM were taken when we had a cosmetic party at our work, that is why I look 'made up'. But you can see I had my photo taken in front of the calendar so you know when the photos were taken.'
Of course this is not quoted exactly but it is pretty close to what she told me. Then after six months she showed up on another site. Her anger was very real. And she spent a bit of time contacting and threatening these sites who had her profile. One still kept it and it was either pirated or sold to other sites. And I do not recall which they were. Eventually she was successful in getting herself removed from these sites. But I suppose if I try very hard she is still out there somewhere available on some off the wall agency web site.
I can't understand why neoelectric would continue a video chat with someone knowing he was in a queue. If a woman is genuine and interested in you then she would make it a point to focus on you and have a real and meaningful exchange. And that would also include not making you continue to pay per letter, chat or whatever. A real woman would want to have private and personal exchanges using her own email, chat, skype, phone etc. It isn't that difficult for them to do so. Sure, there are places where internet service is not up to western standards. But for most it is easily accessible.
IF SHE IS REAL SHE WILL DO EVERYTHING IN HER POWER TO CORRESPOND WITH YOU FROM HER OWN HOME. IF SHE MAKES EXCUSES THEN MOVE ON. IT IS NOT 'BRAIN SCIENCE'.
to Neoeclectic - what durak states is true. If you had signed up for EM and put out about $400 you would have by now met several or more real ladies. I know there are real knockouts in Ukraine if you want to take the easy path. But all over Russia there are very smart and educated women who many guys would drool over. They are not pushovers. And tend to keep it real as far as age difference. Example - there are young girls on EM late twenties who list 35 years as top age for a man. This is a hint that they are not just fooling around. A few they told me I was too old for them, even some 35 yrs olds. To be turned down by a lot of women was a sign to me that they are real. Or that I wasn't a millionaire.
There are scammers everywhere. Just keep it real and be reasonable.
Ralph, you and I have parallel paths. My wife was also listed on other sites, which I found out about via Google. And I know she was corresponding with some other men when we first started but I do know she also cut off all that when we both decided to take it exclusive, just as I did with the other women I was communicating with.
This isn't really that difficult to do; I've just come to the conclusion that most men just look at the photos and have no clue and no clue about getting a clue and therefore have no master plan on how to approach this and have not really thought about being serious or geting serious. As I have stated, the serious women, by listing themselves, have already gone through that thought process and are ready to be serious....about corrsponding seriously to see if a match can be found.
As the Russian Woman has stated in the other thread I started, no serious woman would even be involved in a pay-per agency let alone want to continue there. That is why this type of corrspondance should be categorically avoided.
Yes yes some men have met real women that way and have even met them in person;;;but I don't think any of them ever got married to them. If the ultimate goal is to find a forever match, then those relationships do not count. Yes they met someone but it didn't take.
baron, it seems you and I will become the bane of this society sooner or later. I, as someone with far less experience than most, still am of the opinion that many view this as a lark. and still they persist (or rather unknowingly) enlist in the services of those sites who are in it for nothing more than making money. unfortunately many discover the forums too late. They have already spent umpteen dollars and then cry foul. too bad there isn't a way for men to be educated in the process before it is too late. assuming they have a "master plan" they would do the research before they spent untold dollars. but suddenly photos of hot chicks wanting to meet 50 yr old men for undying love for all time... how can anyone resist?
"how can anyone resist?"
Maybe the lonely,down and out guys with no life...just maybe?
What is the big deal about ppl sites????
They are NOT the problem.......it is the person in the mirror.
It cracks me up the debating going on about this site or that site or even get out of the agencies.
It's like telling someone you need to take this or that for the cold they have,disregarding the fact that person is around others with that virus.
Biggest reason guys succeed or not is being realistic with their expectations. That will simply bring scamming to an abrup halt. Age doesn't matter as much interests, values and most important...chemistry. I agree the bigger the age difference the more risky...you just have to know that coming in. I think many guys come into looking for a foreign bride with not much more than a pocket book. GOT to have a lot more than that to offer.
Any site or agency( there is a difference) is just a vehicle to find a girl. Like any business in the world, they ARE in it to make a profit, can't agrue that. What gets me is guys that come in here complaining about some girl/site/agency is scammimg them out of their money....of course putting the blame elsewhere, they should just look at themselves. Why does it matter that some girl wrote all these nice things to you or in chat told you things you wanted to hear. Like Olga said many times here...it is mostly entertainment.
I have used many different sites in my search, try to be realistic in finding a girl and use the rules of that site to get more info on girl. I am not one to sit there and write a girl for a long period on a ppl site, that is setting yourself for failure. Just getting contact info does little good if it leads no where( like from EM and Fiance). Like I have said before it is a journey, a process, some will be shorter than others...some will never get there.........
beemer, I agree with you 100%. it all comes down to being realistic. and finding someone who thinks the world of you the person. it certainly can work for a 50 yo man and a 25 yo lady. but not often. I know a guy who went to Russia to meet a lady he met from an agency. It didn't work out. While he was there he met another lady by chance, no arranged meeting from an agency or whatever. They have been married and living here 7 yrs. So for those who just sit in front of their computer waiting for the magic to happen good luck. You have to go and experience it firsthand. Then after your first trip whether you are successful or not you will want to go again as soon as you can.
a newbie? like you're an oldbie? I thought I recently posted something on the order of what an idiot - or a waste of time someone is. either I was in a rush or it was dismissed by the moderators. the countless contradictions someone makes is astonishing, yet that person continues to come on here spouting on as if he were the expert and know all of things. yet he continually makes no sense and tries to come across as a knowledgeable person in the ways of FSU women. I swear I posted something on the order of, "Why would someone who already has a gf need a backup plan?" etc. sure there is a lot of utter nonsense that goes on here. but to give advice to people new to this forum who have no idea that you haven't a clue is a crime. it's almost as if they were being scammed by getting advice from someone who has no clue them self.
Pommie Dave said it best. You hide behind your keyboard and make cowardice statements and name calling. The only time anyone has called me names or cussed at me more than you is while I was in the service at basic training. You would not dare to say any of the things you said to me in my face.
You say my stories are fantasy? How about your wife? She is a fantasy. You made her up.
Why would I need a back up plan? Even when you're married your plans go sour. I have not seen my gf in two years. Yes, she still talks to me, as early as this moning, but we have things to talk about in person, and it doesn't concern you or the forum.
I don't need a back up plan? Yes, I know you have a wife but you worry about your back up plan. You admitted that you have anger issues. What does that do to someone who is married to one who always gets her way? Just keep on letting her have her way, keep it in and see what happens.
What difference does it make if it's a newbie or an oldbie? Have you tried PPL? Then what is it that you know that I don't, and what gives you the expertise? All I did with PPL is to tell what happened to me. I have not stated whether or not it should be used or not. All I have told Baron is to state his views why and not make things up.
I agreed that you should walk away if cannot take the lady out of her agency. You don't? Why on earth would anyone disagree with that? Who on earth would call anyone who stated that not have a clue? You also think it is funny to debate these things? What do you do in a forum? Who is the idiot?
I registered on dream-marriage, and I hate the day I did it because I've waited too much time on nothing.
1. If you like a girl, you have to buy her contact info.
For example, I liked this girl Marina Basjun from Sumy:
I've bought her contact info and tried to call her.
Her English is very good, but after a minute of talking the phone connection was suddenly lost because "It's too expensive for her to accept international calls" In reality, all incoming calls in the Ukraine are free.
She has told that she had no Internet access, but it's midnight now and she is online, supposedly from home.
Actually, all letters for the girls from Sumy are written by the same person, they all sound the same.
2. Ok, today I opened a new letter from a nice girl, Zhanna Gavrileichenko from Kharkov.
"Iím very glad we have a chance to learn more about each other and who knows where this relationship will lead us to?!..."
Out of curiosity, I decided to google her. Here is her photo with a local boy, and she tells that she is madly in love with "her cat".