I'm 42 and a descent looking guy and I posted a profile on here about a week ago and have received 46 letters in less than 7 days, 16 just today and 90% are from girls less than 30 years old, mostly hotties and not one started the letter by addressing me by my name. Seems to be a shitload of scammers at work. Luckily I signed up for the ultra short 10 day trail for $10. The sad thing is I think one (of the 46 bullshitters) is actually a real, descent, pleasant girl but I'm not giving this website another dime of my money. Just wanted to share my experience.
I have the same thoughts at times, but where else can you go to pay less?? If you plan to write a lot of letters, to one or more girls, this site will save you money!! The average price per letter on other sites is 4 to 6.50USD!! Five letter to, and five from and your membership is paid for!! VIP membership that is!! With the VIP membership, you can also see how many letters the girls receive,, and when and for how long she is online!! This helps filter out a lot of BS!!!!
Oh, you also joined during the holiday season??!! The intro letters come in fast during the holidays,,, many girls are just looking for flowers and/or gifts!!
You can't always tell in just 10 days which girls are sincere!!
well for some reason a few people like this site, I have an affiliate program with them and get commission when people join and spend money. I have done quite a few dollars in sales now to see if I get paid. I also have one with elenas and so far I haven't made near as many sales.
T2T......are you paronoid? 99% of all 1st letters, from guys or girls, are form letters.
There are plenty of 2nd letters too with an added paragraph. You need to judge a girl on letters after this point to see if they answers specific questions and ask specific questions.
Lastly, maybe this endeavor is not for you????? It CAN get expensive!!!
You should be able to separate a woman from the agency by the second letter. If not, they your master plan should tell you to drop her and move on. My wife and I moved to private after only the first intro letter. I sent her my long intro letter via her private email.
Hello all, I'd like to make a comment here. It's getting so difficult to find someone genuine in Ukraine. My wife is currently in Nikolaev with her mom. She told me today that they saw a bill board looking for attractive women to communicate with foreign men. There is one lady that they know from Odessa that has won trips from her employer. She's earned alot of money from over 200 men. Its seen as an acceptible and lucrative business over there.
I know first hand that you can find love in Ukraine but if I knew then what I know now about the place I probably would not have even tried. You've got to get lucky. I did
"Lastly, maybe this endeavor is not for you????? It CAN get expensive!!! "
Don't let Beemer discourage you, time2travel or anyone else. Yes, it can get expensive, but only you can answer if this endeavor is not for you. I have gone to Ukraine three times. The first time, I spent less than $2,000, the third and fourth time, $3,000. I even bought them things they were longing to buy, but could not afford (microwave, coats, shoes, dresses, a laptop, groceries, perfume and even undergarments.)
Ok, some updates. First of all I wasn't trying to start a war with my first post. I was simply sharing my personal experience on Fiance.
Beemer, I'm not paranoid I'm just realistic. I've spent a lot of time in Europe. I've been to 7 countries including two trips to Ukraine and I was married to a Yugoslavian. I'm not some uneducated keyboard jockey so spare me the speech on "maybe this endeavor isn't for me".
I'm a descent looking guy, 6 foot, 150 lbs, in good shape, blue eyes, brown hair, ect, ect but 20 year old Ukrainian women don't hit on me when I'm there and if they hit on me online it's probably bullshit.
So, back to the original topic. I'm now up to 67 letters. The one girl I wrote to more than once just sent me a reply today calling me by my first name even though I sign each letter with my middle name. The letter also made no reference to the very long letter I had previously written to her. Out of curiosity I checked to see if she had looked at my profile and discoverd that she hadn't. Keep in mind that this girl initiated contact with me but never looked at my profile? And Im supposed to believe that? I don't think so.
I've got a few days left on my trial offer so I'll plug away and keep you guys updated.
Baron, great advice. Thanks.
Raging, I briefly dated a girl in Kiev. Fourth day she wanted me to buy her some pots/pans. She wanted the "good" ones that last 10+ years. I knew right then that she had no plans to leave Ukraine. I already had great pots/pans at my home.
Just saying.......but thanks for the encouraging words.
My wife is from Russia and Baron's too.
Ukraine has gotten to "popular" for my comfort.
Make the extra effort, get the necessary visa(s), and search in less popular places like Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan.
Knowing what I know about the marriage agencies in Ukraine, I would be skeptical of 90% of girls there. There is some (low) percentage that are nice and serious, but it is getting more and more difficult to find them.
See what I mean, time2travel? You said nothing about your not having money. You just wanted to be frugal. The second girl he's referring to told me to stay with her in her apartment while her mother, child and dog stayed in an apartment I paid for for $100 a day. I doubt if she ever got an apartment with the money I gave her. In total, I gave her about $1,500 in almost two weeks, including the apartment rent.
My issue with her was not the money. It was how she lied to get the money. I told the story here and people like Beemer went after me for crying scam. You can call it that, but all I thought I was doing was warning others of what could happen. It was something I was not used to.
All things considered, I had a nice time. We did not go places, but we did play house in her apartment. Her son did not stay in the "apartment", but he did go to school during the day. I was angry for a time because she would answer very little of my emails when I got back, but when I went to Ukraine the next time, she wanted me to visit her again and was angry when I did not.
That was three years ago. She has now owned up to her lies and is trying to contact me by email. I have responded little if at all.
Beemer on the other hand does things like go to Ukraine, spend lavishly on the girl by taking her to places like Turkey, come back and have little or nothing to show for it. That's one way it can get expensive. He knows some things, but he discourages people like you.
What are you guys trying to say about not counting to 10? Because you can go to Ukraine 10 times, this endeavor maybe is not for others?
Let me tell you guys how expensive it can be. This guy Ivor thinks he got scammed for $65,000. I would think you would stop giving the lady money after $1,000 $2,000 $3,000. Where do you stop? Maybe I can't count to 10, but I'm sure glad I can't go past there and not go all the way to 65,000.
"Beemer on the other hand does things like go to Ukraine, spend lavishly on the girl by taking her to places like Turkey, come back and have little or nothing to show for it. That's one way it can get expensive. He knows some things, but he discourages people like you."
Mr Bull, when did I ever go to turkey...please tell me. You have no idea what you talk about, why don't you spend some time researching before you open your big mouth and spread lies??? Just like your statement that I have been here 5 years.....where did that come from? Guesses???
Still wondering what really happpened to that 2nd trip????
T2T....you may have been to europe many times and even ukraine but these dating/social sites are new to you, correct? I pointed to you about first letters....they mean NOTHING. The $10 for 10 days is just a way to reel you in, it takes much time, patience and can be expensive....I stand by that. My paranoid comment was your use of 'scammers' because you got plenty of letters so quickly, it is something to be dealt with all the time.