after posting something to durak about putting the cart before the horse I came to thinking.
btw - for those who don't understand, 'putting the cart before the horse' is an old expression implying that you are doing things backwards - not that durak is. but he is planning a design based on the taste of a woman he has not met or has concrete plans with from what I gather. Analogous to that would be counting your chickens before the eggs hatch or hiring a contractor to pour your foundation before you purchased the land.
So, what got me to thinking about the master plan is deer hunting. You can scout, spend time and put a lot of preparation into it. And confident that your are going to bag that deer, you make sure you have all the necessary tools in your arsenal. Everything you need to gut and field dress this critter down to the last detail. Make sure your flashlight batteries are fresh, a hot thermos of coffee and a apple or two and snacks - everything! Then you head out and spend hours in the woods and never see the deer you are hunting. You planned everything, did your research and headed out with confidence. And nothing!
Then there is the guy who decides to go hunting one day. He grabs his gun which has been lying in the corner of his basement, brushes off the dust - didn't bother to sight it in - and finds some old bullets in a box he had to spend an hour finding. He runs to wal-mart to get his license on the way out because he didn't plan to hunt anyway. He drives to the easiest place to get to, parks his car and walks into the woods carrying his rifle like Elmer Fudd and by all accounts probably looks like a goof. He walks around for an hour and decides to have a snack and a cup of coffee. But this guy probably doesn't have coffee. He has a flask with cheap whiskey and a couple slim jims. He leans his gun against a tree and takes a big swig from his flask. Breaks open a slim jim and stands there looking around wondering which way he should go. Before he grabs his gun he takes a leak on the next tree - and while he has his pants open the buck of a lifetime comes walking into view. Still with his pants down he shuffles over and grabs his gun. He fires off a 'hail mary' in the direction of this deer and it it takes off running. The guys is still shaking as he gathers himself. He walks in the direction he thought he shot and starts looking around. He sees a blood trail. His adrenaline is back into high gear. He follows the blood and it takes him back to where he parked. And there it is, his trophy buck laying dead only a fifty feet from where he parked.
Some get lucky on a whim and some spend years with no success. More than likely the ones who plan are successful. But not always. And there are those who just by dumb luck land the trophy of a lifetime.
Ralph,,, you're exactly right again!! Thats 3 times in a row!!!! I would slow down for a while,,,, you are pushing your luck!! lol
No one plan,,, even if it is a "Master Plan" will solve all of your problems,,, I mean everyone who is reading this!!
I have done my research, planned many details,,,had backup plans,,, still no luck!! It is good to have a plan,,,, but just don't follow it blindly!! You could run into a brick wall!??
The problem with the first plan is that you didn't have a bunch of your buddies on ATVs start off from once direction to the opposite and drive all those deer past your stand. Then you just point and pick out the best.
I hunt deer because I love the entire process; the preparation, the excitement,and sustained suspense of trying to match my woods lore against the finely honed instincts of these creatures. -Fred Bear
A deer will hear you scratch you nose a hundred feet away if he doesn't see you first. And if he got that close the wind is in your favor because he would have smelled you (scented you) and gone the other way.
danny: A man who hunts deer is not a man? I suppose you are more of a man if you pull up to a macdonalds drive through window and order your chicken mcnuggets. They are made from ground up chickens that were kept in pens with barely enough room to bend over to eat. Unsanitary and cruel surroundings that most rational people consider inhumane. I won't even try to educate you on the beef and pork industries. So be a man and get your processed foods from the grocery stores and fast food joints. I guess someone who catches fish on a hook is not a man too? Or someone who spears fish with a scuba tank strapped on his back? My wife is actually excited that I hunt for deer. And get this, a decent size deer will feed a family for months. They are soooooo good to eat. And it doesn't have any growth hormones or other chemicals shoved down its throat - clean chemical free food.
Back to answering ragingbull's question.
What makes a deer a trophy of a lifetime is one with a rack (antlers) that scores very high in the pope & young, boone & crocket and a few others' measurement systems. For those who seek out these deer to get one that scores high is their lifelong dream. Actually to get any deer archery hunting is a trophy. So no, it was not Rudolph or any of the other reindeer. It would be one of the very rare deer with huge antlers. The kind you see on display at cabela's. That is what a 'trophy of a lifetime' is. When someone uses a deer hunting analogy to point out that having a master plan does not always work, one can use their poetic license to get the point across.
well a trophy can be defined in many ways but making a plan and actually reaching your goal is the point. I hunt also and teach some youth how to hunt with a bow. we practice during the summer then make a plan to head to the woods and get dinner. my favorite is the summer sausage :)
Ahhh... the antlers. I don't like deer meat that much. I can tolerate it a little more if it is marinated. I bet Rudolph will still be the best trophy. Not only will you get the antlers, you will also get the shiny red nose.
Actually I believe I could have gotten together with at least four others, our corresponding relationship had progressed that far.
And again, be corresponding relationship I am talking about email, phone, text, and live Skype video including bring introduced to family.
baron,,,, refering to your Jan 23th post,,,,, isn't is sad, that only took the time to meet the first of those women??!!! It's good that you and your wife fell in love at first sight, but I think the other women were wondering what they had done wrong!?? Did you ever send them a note saying; you weren't coming to meet them???
Ralph,,, what state are you from?? In a day or two, I'll send a PM about hunting!!
Yes, LR and others. When my future wife and I agreed to take our correspondence exclusive and then plan out meeting in person together, I let all the others know that I was taking it exclusive with someone else.
THAT, was part of my master plan....not to string anyone (including myself) along. One women kept in touch even after we became engaged, not to her knowing. I do know that she eventually met a very nice man, via EM, and will soon this year come to the US, with her son, and I am sure will have a happy life and a happy family.
Most of the other women wished me luck and stated that they understood that that's the way life comes. I was very impressed with all of them for their professionalism and adultness.
No, I wasn't sad that I didn't "play the waters". That was not my plan and I jumped at the very best that I could find, at the time.
I was not mistaken and not unhappy with my decision. I can only have one wife and I understood that going in.
to danny - blow their heads off? many years ago I quit hunting with a gun. why? because there were so many knuckleheads walking around in the woods with loaded guns. my life is more important than blasting a deer with a gun. and because there are so many knuckleheads it stands to reason that many do not have a clue, are not proficient in the use of a firearm and basically think it is easy to go into the woods with a loaded rifle and shoot in the general direction of anything brown. therefor, more deer are wounded by gun hunters every year that either live crippled or wander around and die never to be found.
archers on the other hand take is seriously. a true archer would not attempt to 'shoot' a deer unless he/she had a clean shot that would put the animal down. I had an opportunity for a clean kill a month ago but I let it walk because it had two young ones following it. I did not want to orphan two young deer. I had a couple other opportunities to shoot but I passed because there were was a possibility of hitting some tree branches - so I passed.
A deer shot with a bullet can/will travel further than one hit with a carefully placed arrow. So in the long run, hunting with bow and arrow is more humane than using a gun. And if you can hit 100% of the time what you are aiming at in constantly changing conditions then you should be in the olympics. learn how to cross country ski and get on your countries biathlon team. and take your head shots to blow their brains out.
I only did this one time. about ten years ago on the opener in potter county PA - cold as hell with fresh snow. I tracked a buck for an hour in the snow and snuck up to the ridge where the tracks ended. sat there for fifteen minutes scanning the valley. then he moved his head - all I could see was antlers. I unloaded my pack took off my coat and crawled on my belly through 8" of fresh snow for twenty yards. Set up and took aim. squeezed one off and missed. but he stood up. now I had a cleaner shot. all I could see was his head and about 8" of neck. I took aim and put one right between his ears at 80 yards. he dropped right there. decent 8 pointer and I won the pool too.
I will agree with Danny if you kill for sport. Once you get the antlers, what do you do with the meat? Anyway you do it, killing for meat is cruel. I have participated in many slaughters. The only time I was in charge was with the chicken I wrote about on the other thread. The proceedure is to cut the animal's neck in the carotid artery and hold it until it bleeds to death. I was only helping. If I made the rules, they would be killed a quicker way.
Wow!!! I found a lot to disagree with in this thread!!!
Bow hunting;,,, more humane than rifle hunting??? NO WAY!!! I'm out in the woods before the hunting seasons,,, and between the bow and rifle seasons,,,, and after the rifle season!!!! I will find many more dead or wounded deer,, and moose,,,(in Canada) after the bow season!!! Seeing the arrow still in the animal is my proof!!! We've reported many dead animals to the Wis-DNR or Ont- MNR! What is the ratio between rifle hunters and bow hunters?? 10 to 1 ??? And more wounded deer with bows?? We have idiots shooting both bows and rifles,, but you can fire a faster second shot with a gun!!
We don't hunt,,, what we don't eat!!!!
Danny,,,, "you're not a man, if you hunt deer???" BITE-ME!! (please don't!!)
Are you one of those pussies,,,, who won't wear fur or leather?? Do you know where hides would end up,,, if no one wore leather??? In a landfill!! or someother dump!? It's a total waste, if no one uses the leather!! Do you know how much a farmer makes on the hides from his animals?? About 60 to 70 cents per pound!! 0.60USD The price of my last leather jacket;,, 400.USD!! So don't start dissing the farmers either!!
RB,, I don''t know how they kill chickens today, on a large scale,, but the old-fashioned way,,, was to chop off the head,,, and let them run around!!! This was for draining all of their blood out fast!!
okay, yes, there are just as many knuckleads with a bow as there are with guns.
but still, I see more deer dead on the side of the road every year. I saw one get clipped about three months ago. it did a curley in the middle of the highway and limped off into the woods to die.
wondering: is it true that when they were using the guillotine they would hold up the severed head to view the dismembered body and there was still enough life left in the head to witness the final horror?
" wondering: is it true that when they were using the guillotine they would hold up the severed head to view the dismembered body and there was still enough life left in the head to witness the final horror?"
Glad you asked!!!! Yes there was enough life in head to witness the final horror...only problem is it is merely a spasm...so there was no real knowledge involved. I wonder if the body would run around too.......
danny; What year was it,,, when Australia held the Winter Olympics???? I forget!!!
Plus,, don't you spend some time in Russia or Ukraine???
No,, bow hunters or rifle hunters don't supply the world with leather,,, but much of it does get used!!! There is always a place somewhere, that accepts deer hides, for gloves and jackets or what ever! We always have someone who calls us in Oct, after moose hunting,,, to see if we got one!! We have always gave them away!!
I don't know how many thousands of cows or steers are killed everyday for meat,,, but they all have hides!!! It's not cruel to animals to wear leather, it's a crime not too!!!
Ralph,,, you can't blame rifle hunters, for deer killed by cars!!??? Yes, a deer could be hit by a car, and run into the woods, but I have seen arrows still in deer, most times broke off with only a little stub showing. It's warmer during the early bow season,, and they are easy to find!!!