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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Why most Russian women arent religious anymore? Author Post lebticker Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/28/2011 12:54:52 PM   Hello everyone, it seems that from every profile I have checked on many different sites It seems that about 5 out of 1000's of women even have the word God in their profile, while women from other countries usually have it first. Are russian women becoming like western european women? If thats true then its very disappointing to see. The orthdox faith is a very deep and rich faith. Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/1/2011 4:15:24 AM   Hi Lebticker, In the UK, 85% of the population state they are "Christian", but only around 10% (if that) actively attend church. Older denominations such as Anglican, Catholic & Orthodox often place little emphasis on membership or active involvement in faith, but rather rely on scheduled rituals and procedures than any requirement to implement the faith in daily life. Due to a lack of any iconoclasm in it's history, I'd say Orthodoxy is one of the most ritualistic of the bunch. There's a defacto separation between visiting church and living a Christian lifestyle. In this regard, I don't see Eastern Europeans being any different to the West. Those who are 'exclusive' in their religious requirements for a partner (i.e., will only date those who share their level and type of faith) will normally belong to pentecostal, charismatic, evangelical or similar denominations. In the cases where such people consider the faith of their partner to be important, they tend to use specific 'Christian dating' sites. It's always going to be rare to find these people on secular sites. There are plenty of deeply religious people in the East. One just has to know where to look to find them. baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/1/2011 8:40:11 AM   Jesus never said one has to attend church in order to follow his beliefs.....that is something the human part of either Church has come up with. So..attendance in Church is no measure of one's religiousness. BUNNY41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/1/2011 8:48:56 AM   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGCMBx48nrg Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/1/2011 12:07:37 PM   I'm Christian but I don't write or talk about religion like I don't write or talk about politics, these subjects cause more arguments, indeed wars, than any other subjects. And beside attending a wedding or two the last time I attended church was when I was a child. durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/1/2011 1:42:59 PM   Lebticker, I doubt that what you have seen is truly representative. In my personal experience, at least half of the women I've met in the FSU would describe themselves as religious. With a few of them, I have visited orthodox churches, where most carried out at least some part of the orthodox rituals for church visits (crossing themselves, bowing to or kissing icons, etc.). Also, I sometimes see profiles -- perhaps 1 or 2 percent -- where the women say specifically that they are seeking a Christian man. I just did an unscientific check of women 18-37 years on elenasmodels.com, and found that about 85% describe themselves as Christian. A 2005 study reported estimates of between 52 and 84 percent of the Russian population as religious (not, of course, necessarily Christian). So unbelievers would seem to be a minority in the Russian Federation, despite generations of government encouragement of atheism. Another unscientific indicator -- when I walk Russian streets, and I see a beat-to-sh*t old Lada or Zhiguli, there is without fail an icon on the dashboard or hanging from the mirror. Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/1/2011 5:15:58 PM   'Religion is the opium of the people.' (???) -Karl Marx My wife credits Lenin with this philosophy. But Lenin was a Marxist. And he probably sometime related this message to 'his' people. It is difficult to base a people's religious practices on a few statistics. Over the years those who believed were persecuted or worse. Some practiced Christianity in secrecy. Others had no use for religion of any kind. Still others had no idea. Just as Christian missionaries carry the word to isolated people of the world, the same can be said of communist Russia. They were, in a sense, an isolated people. Now we are in an age when modern communication and the passing of ideas has spread tremendously. Surely over the past 4 decades there has been a change. But in reality it is still a new concept to the families who have lived in darkness for so long. Who would know what to believe after having lived for so long being told what to think. Freedom is still a relatively new word for many people. And there are still those who have a sort of paranoia despite being "free". Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/1/2011 5:47:29 PM   Baron, I think you'll find that Jesus created the church, and in fact the church was defined in the beginning (and still is) as the body of people who follow Jesus. In fact, his only real commandment to be his follower was just that - to follow him. Those who did were in the church. Those who did not, were not. You'll also find he kept his best insults for the religious people of the time. Religion and faith are two entirely separate things. Durak, I find some familiarity in those stats, although the terms "religious" and "believer" often require clarification. One can follow football "religiously", and even the devil "believes" that God exists :) Ivor, Just out of curiosity, in what way do you define yourself as Christian? Ralph, Couple of things. Today, around 200,000 people per year are martyred for their Christianity. Believe me, it still goes on. Also, I once saw a poster in a UK high school. It was made by a teenager, and was a picture of the crucifixion, stating "Jesus was crucified for his sins." In all my life, I've never seen a more perfect misunderstanding of the Gospel. And this was in an English high school, in a Religious Education class, and the teacher had seen fit to display it on a wall! As you say, still people have no idea! Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/1/2011 6:17:15 PM   Muzzy, I was born C of E, as a child I recall the parents packing me of to church of a Sunday, with a threepenny bit for the collection, yet my parents didn't attend church for themselves! I can't recall precise circumstances but the novelty of attending church, whilst misappropriating the threepenny bit on sweets/candies, wore off. But I never 'speak down' of the church, I just don't believe religion is necessary in everyday language. As a somewhat light hearted example, during my career, when an airliner crew may have called me on VHF to report they are making an emergency descent due to a shattered windshield (windscreen) I didn't acknowledge with such a reply as 'God Bless', I acknowledge with such a reply as 'Roger'. Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/1/2011 6:23:35 PM   Muzzy - that floors me --------- a teacher actually displayed this? Yes, it is a shame that the teachings of Christ are so misunderstood. I myself am not a religious person. But I understand and know the Word of Christ. And to be sure, I fall short. kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/1/2011 7:17:22 PM   i thought they were more so into their faith then the west, they take it very seriously and dont advertise such like, how some westerners try their best to shove it down anothers neck.. the reality for me,, their faith or church thing was a little disappointing as i am a atheist.. "how ridiculous that sounds" i think you are getting the point of where i'm going with this. why would i or you feel disappointed in someone's own personal belief or faith,, its not really the best way to ask a good question i would think. to get back to your point, dont go believing agency profiles or the face value of internet sites,, they are a tangled mess of a system trying to make money out of you and me. it just doesn't show anything of the hart of the people it represents. i think you would be very surprised travelling there. as an atheist:) i found the churches amazing, no i wasn't sold on its beliefs:) but what a history. the hidden underground place's i witnessed these people made just to worship their faith in another time is another amazing story in it self. you are very right, it is a deep rich faith, good luck. ben2006 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/2/2011 8:05:25 AM   Bollocks, one doesn't have to go to church to be Christian. I stopped going when a hippy 'church group' decided to play their music each week at church but I'm still christian. I might go to hell but I didn't have to listen to those clowns. Completely agree with Baron, I know more non church goers who are more christian then the folk who turn up to church each week. Church of England doesn't count Ivor :) ben2006 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/2/2011 8:13:52 AM   back to the subject. All the people i know in Moldova would say they are Christians, but none go to church each week. Many wear crosses and if you get a lift in a car or taxi almost always there's a picture of Mary. I knew a young girl who was from a well off family and very popular and when it was her birthday I asked if she was going out to a bar, she looked at me in horror and said I can't as its Easter and its not allowed to celebrate. However it depends on your definition of what you consider to be "religious". baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/2/2011 8:56:13 AM   where most carried out at least some part of the orthodox rituals for church visits (crossing themselves, bowing to or kissing icons, etc.) Doing this doesn't make one religious either.....it is only customary and a polite deference. Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/2/2011 9:00:46 AM   Ivor, Ben, Baron, Don't take this as in any way attacking, because it's not, but as you've all stated what isn't necessary to consider oneself a Christian, I'm still curious to know what, in your opinion, does. (and the winner for longest run-on sentence goes to...) Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/2/2011 9:24:43 AM   Muzzy, I consider myself to ba a law abiding citizen, is it necessary for me to attend a police station or courthouse regularly to demonstrate this, to tell them so? Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/2/2011 9:42:19 AM   Don't get defensive, it's only a question. To answer that point, though, I'm guessing you consider yourself a law abiding citizen because you follow the legal rules of society? Again, just a question. ben2006 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/2/2011 9:43:55 AM   In my mind its following the ten commandments. Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/2/2011 9:56:10 AM   Ben, I'm almost 100% with you. I'd say that's one of the best ways to put it. My only question would be, given that the commandments were given in the Old Testament (about 1000 years before Jesus), they're a Jewish set of rules. Jesus certainly told people to follow them, so you're quite right, but how do we then differentiate Christianity from Judaism? Believe me, this is a question I wrestle with a lot! (maybe I just have too much time on my hands) Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/2/2011 9:58:58 AM   Muzzy, I'm not getting defensive, I consider myself law abiding because I choose between right and wrong, I don't know every law of England & Wales, much of this is deciding what is right and wrong for oneself! But I'm not 'squeaky clean', yes I often drive at 75mph on a motorway but then I'm of the opinion that the police will allow this, they'll turn a blind eye to such a minor infringement. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Why most Russian women arent religious anymore?
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