I am new to the site. I wanted to share my initial experiences with fiance.com. The first two emails were from scammers. I have had another two ladies tell me I am the one for them after a few emails and they don't want to communicate with any else. One of them gave me their address. The other one did not. Is this for real? I guess I should expect money requests in the next couple of emails.
is this typical of fiance.com or is it my bad karma?
Financially, you have nothing to lose merely communicating with them with a view of you travelling to them to meet etc.
Just don't move from such a 'game plan', they can't travel to you, they don't need money to travel to you, their grandmother's second aunt wasn't sick before you wrote, her place of work hadn't been nuked, the internet cafe hadn't been ransacked thus she now needs a laptop etc. etc. etc.
Whilst this might seem somewhat amusing at this time rcolas you may or will come to realise where I'm coming from. :)
I am new to the site. I wanted to share my initial experiences with fiance.com. The first two emails were from scammers. I have had another two ladies tell me I am the one for them after a few emails and they don't want to communicate with any else. One of them gave me their address. The other one did not. Is this for real? I guess I should expect money requests in the next couple of emails.
is this typical of fiance.com or is it my bad karma?
It is typical of any site sorry to say. Any site, no matter how noble, can't claim that they're 100% scammer free.
So here's the standard advice which you can find in many threads on the forum:
They're not in love with you after several letters. Most likely a scammer.
Get on plane and go there when you both agree it's time to meet. Most men never get on a plane. You'll be ahead of 95% of all letter writers simply by going there!
Go there with a back up plan. Let's say you put all your eggs in one basket and while she's very nice and all that but you, her, or you both mutually decide there's not chemistry. Then what? You going to sit in your room the rest of the trip and sulk? Have a back up plan.
Don't be talked into any shopping sprees. It seems obvious enough but would you take a girl out for an expensive shopping trip from your home town? Unlikely.
Don't send money to someone you've never met. See Ivor's post above. These things just don't happen but to separate you from your money.
rcolas how old are you and how old are those ladies? Are you realistic about your chances? Do you have in your ind the portrait of a woman who can marry you? If you are 45 and they are 20 and want to marry you, they are scammers, if they look like top models and you aren't Brad Pitt or Hugh Hephner, they are scammers, and there are so many other "ifs". Just be realistic. By the way there is such a service as chances estimation. You go through a test and at the end of it you receive an approximate decsription of your possible wife.
When you're making plans to meet get her advice on accomodation, taxi costs and other area's that will involve spending money. Then simply have a look on the internet at the usual prices. If she has vastly exaggerated these costs - chances are she is planning to split the extra with the landlord/driver she introduces you to.
Tell her you have bought a flight ticket before you actually have one. Make her believe you have spent considerable cash already on your intended trip. If, after she thinks you haver locked yourself into an arrangement that would be expensive and waistful to cancel, she starts to make unsubtle hints about expensive gifts or sudden changed that would necessitate her needing cash to actually come to meet you (the placer you've been planning to meet in all along)...Walk away.
Please use this technique with a 'back door'...usually being able to buy the ticket and go to meet her at the time/place you have already said you would (if she proves herself worthwhile) is the best way.
But please do not get sucked into the idea that age, wealth, intelligence and looks fail to matter once you are further east than Poland or Bulgaria or whereever!
Women are women....just much better looking, kinder and exciting (if you meet the right one/s) in the FSU.
I have had similar results. some women seemed real and we just didn't mesh while others just wanted to video chat for $ per minute. i'm assuming they get a cut. I have yet to have one ask for money outright though. maybe its just a matter of time. But if you know Russian, or have the pages translated through Google or whatnot, you can see that the women have diffent set of issues on their forum
Santiago has some good advice!! I will be using that for my next trip!!
I have always found, that their work hours change after buying the tickets!!?? Instead of having a whole days, or at least a long evening,, it's just a couple hours here and there,,, I'm sick of it!!
"It's why I would never choose to go to their country to first meet."
You're missing out on some amazing experiences, Danny.
People think that if they are in some FSU city that lies well off the tourist routes they will be stuck somewhere with nothing to do and nobody to do it with, if things don't work out with the lady they have gone to meet.
This could not be further from the truth.
In Kiev or Moscow or, especially (so I'm told) St Petersberg an English, American, Australian.....will not cause a reaction BUT if in the type of place thst usually only has the locals....GET READY TO BE APPROACHED!
These more provincial towns and cities are wonderful places to meet women. REAL, GENUINE WOMEN.
So, even if FEMALE X fails to live upto expectations, being 'stuck' in Nikolaev/Volgagrad/Gomel could still become one of the best travel experiences a man could hope for.
If you want certainties pay for hookers (widely available almost everywhere),
But if you want the adventure and excitement of REALLY meeting someone you have VIRTUALLY met on the www,,, Go to FSU
Santiago is correct! Here's another hint, if you are older (as I am) ad you are seeing 30 and 40 year old women, take them to the Kiev state Opera house. Hell its like $25 dollars for a front row seat. They have shows every night and they change all the time. She wants to go "shopping"? if its not for lingerie, hell no. If it is, hell yes. ALso having "problems" with your ATM card and running short of cash is always a handy test of why she is there. You know the problem... the one it takes a phone call in the morning to your bank to fix? Yea, that problem. If she offers to buy you dinner though you will feel like a heel. Im just warning you. I got back 3 days ago and met the most beautiful 25 year old woman Ive ever seen. She was the only 10 I ever spent he night with in my life. Im 52! She wanted nothing but someone to spend time with and to hang around with. Was I skeptical? Very much so, I could be her dad. Did I keep an eye open all night in my apartment? Yes. Was I stupid in the end for not trusting her the whole time? Yep. I stashed all my valuables. I'm stupid, but I also have a lovely trustworthy 25 year old woman waiting for me there this summer. I think I might go back tomorrow. Ooh and BTW I didn't meet her on this site. I met her the old fashioned way, in a quiet bar on a saturday afternoon.
Danny, I was speaking in general terms,,, not just your girlfriends?? A lot of other men are reading this, and are inviting women on vacations,,, they need to be careful too!!
I somewhat agree with you,,, but I also know of a girl who has been to the Middle East 3 times, and spent a whole summer with a foreign man in Thailand,,,, she is only 25!! There's not only professional daters,,, but professional vacationers too!!
Your criteria for who goes and who stays at home is sound though!!
I have always found foreign girls more exciting than the home grown type I have known all my life.
Specifically, the girls from the former eastern block countries have not had all the feminism issues making them feel guilty about their femininity. So they dress, act and speak more womanly than women from the west.
They also like a man to be masculine. None of that 'men who can cry' crapola! Which works out great for me (my feminine side must be a very butch lesbien).
Another big plus for me is the usual high standard of education amongst these ladies.
When all is said and done couples spend far longer talking than making love. Being with someone who is interesting and can converse on a wide variety of subjects is very important.
I once had a girlfriend who could only talk about clothes, perfume and make-up. After a few months I realized the sole reason I was still with her was because she was stunningly attractive but I had began to have a very flirtatious relationship with a co-worker who was funny and interesting. A few of my friends started to notice what was happening and they were appalled!!!
"How can you risk losing your gorgeous girlfriend for someone as plain as Jill from the works canteen???".
Very easily, actually.
My 'gorgeous girlfriend' had been boring me shitless, with comparisons of brands of lip gloss or lists of brand name clothing she hoped to one day own, for months!!!!
A man must find a woman attractive to start a relationship...
To keep the relationship going, however, also demands an amount of interest and communication.
FSU girls have never failed to impress me with their high levels of education and quality of conversation
Santiago - you have arrived. The same for me. Many people don't get it. danny is in a class by himself. I would discount much of what he offers as advice or experience. I too had a stunning woman - and rich - but I just could not deal with all of the trappings of her superficial existence. And it goes on and on... Woman 'B', woman 'C' , etc... I am married to the coolest woman I have ever known. She rarely drinks, never smoked and has never used any kind of illicit drugs in her life. Has two universtiy degrees and knows all about American history. And she can dance :)
Methinks you are one of the few who has it together enough to hit the mark. I hope you are able to find the kind of woman I have met.
Aside------ I am trusting her to cook fresh caught trout...
Ralph,
Sincere thanks for your supportive comments.
Actually I have already met, and married, my perfect lady.
Last November we married.
Today she had her passport returned with a 26 month Leave To Remail (spouse) UK Visa.
Next Wednesday she's flying back to me and the little house we chose together, last year.
In 18 months my life has changed from being a committed bachelor who believed himself happy to remain single forever, to a blissfully happy, married man who could never consider returning to his former way of life.
nasfan;,, lol,,, snort,,, lol!! Sometimes I wonder!???!! But danny's been right a few times. He's right in the fact, that we all have our own experiances. I have some stories to tell that no one would believe,,, thats why I haven't told them?? Maybe when I have some free time?
I almost didn't check the forum tonight,,, I didn't know I was in the middle of something??!
Ralph?? Welcome back!! I was hoping you would change your mind!!
To anyone who has ever doubted anything Ralph has said,,,, I can vouch for him!! He has a nice lady, with some great vacation pics!! He got lucky!!! lol
Ralph,,,, check out my fb profile! I'm in deep shiz nit!
ranger- thanks for the kind words... it is only because I have been working long hours and arriving home in the early morning that I decided to check in. I have better things to do. But why not see what's happening? Was hoping maybe there will be real conversations about meeting, dating and learning about women from Russia...? Unfortunately it seems to be the same old stuff. There are other avenues to meet someone and to learn how they think - the same as every woman. But to understand their culture, that is the key.
I still cannot understand why so many men spend years searching.