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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > After the fiance visa Author Post giss Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/7/2011 8:32:56 AM   Ok so it's time to look deeper into this. As I barley understand this you apply for a fiance visa. She comes over and you get married within 90 days. Ok. Now here is the question. If she changes after the wedding, don't you have 2 years where if you file for a divorce she gets shipped back to Ukraine? That was my understanding (I don't know much about this though). I was wondering when I read a lost here saying "she changed as soon as we were married". I'd love to hear from someone who knows about this. Thanks lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/8/2011 12:07:46 PM   I do not know for sure,,, but I have heard, the laws have changed to allow her to stay, even through a divorce!! This is to protect the women from a bad marriage!! It seems there are no protections for us!!! Holly crap is right! lol durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/8/2011 12:41:46 PM   I only know what I read about this ... with the K-1 fiance visa, the immigrant spouse can get a green card (US permanent residency) after 2 years. So you might expect that if the marriage ends before that, the immigrant won't get the green card. But as lonely posted, it is not difficult (for women, at least) to get around this, by claiming that her husband was abusive. I have read (did not confirm this) that there are web pages in Russian language that give detailed instructions, how to quickly dump your American husband while getting the green card. At least one man recently on this forum, has been through this nightmare. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/8/2011 1:50:11 PM   giss, You're inviting me over to USA? ... A fiance is a bloke! With Love Ivor ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/8/2011 2:45:56 PM   I think I know who Mr. Durak is talking about. I don't believe we know if she finalized her papers. I don't believe the law is enforced strictly in this matter. I don't see abuse as a reason to stay. Being abused, real or otherwise puts you in a shelter where many illegals are helped to go around the system. Hardship is a good excuse and that's what I have heard people use. bowhunter Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/8/2011 5:45:22 PM   lol lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/9/2011 3:26:06 AM   Durak is right!!! I think we both saw the same info on here?? It would be the most important thing this forum could do,,, is to produce a copy,, or the web address of those instructions!! Since you are asking these questions,, you must have some doubts about how sincere some of these women are?? Thats smart!! Hope for the best,,,, plan for the worst! I have no doubt,, that some women could look any of us in the eyes,, and lie with a smile on her face!! How do I know this?? Well,, because it has happened to me too!! A woman who wants to get married,,, but then changes her mind with little or no reason,,, planned to do so,, long before the marriage!!! This type of person,,,, will have no problems what-so-ever, to use you for a green card,,, make you pay all the bills,, divorce you,,, and then trash your life on top of it,,(with abuse charges)!! This is one reason why, my search is so slow! I have no problems boring them to death with letters!! ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/9/2011 1:08:12 PM   Mr. Giss - I don't know why it would matter to you if she gets shipped back or not if your marriage fails other than you are thinking of the Affidavit of Support. That too, I hear is hardly enforced. I say hardly because that's the word the forum member whom Mr. Durak refers to, if we are talking about the same person. I doubt if it is enforced at all. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/10/2011 5:14:21 PM   Let 'Land of Oz's' situation, with all due respect to Mr Oz, not be forgotten. You Americans with be more familiar with your terminoligies, and perhaps memories, than I but after the wedding Mr Oz's lady certainly changed, she was up to all sorts of things that, as I recall, resulted in a restraining order being issued against him whilst the US authorities were offering her the red carpet treatment. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/10/2011 5:30:26 PM   P.S. And it's commonplace, once the ring is on their finger, particularly in USA, and they know it, they've got it made and they can legally stay in USA just by reporting that the guy has been knocking her about, forcing sex upon her etc. etc. etc. A reported 90% (ish) of East/USA marriages fail and they fail PDQ. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/10/2011 5:35:19 PM   That's who I was referring to. The authorities you speak of are the administrators of the shelter. I believe his last update, he thought she was in the shelter, but was not sure. How she fixed her papers or if she did was not discussed that I know of. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/10/2011 7:09:29 PM   I chatted with a Russian lady one time, she had, once upon a time, been in Boston (and however you lot spell that state) :) on a K1 visa , it hadn't worked out and she was preparing to leave USA to return to Russia. There was a whole damn tribe of Russian women in the Boston area, they talked to her to the effect that they've all used these American 'idiots' to enter and stay in USA, just cry assault/rape or whatever and you can do the same! durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/10/2011 7:21:09 PM   rb, I don't know that it's necessary to go to a women's shelter. I have a Russian-born friend who came to America from Ukraine, by marrying a US citizen she met through a dating site. Her intentions were sincere -- she was in love with the guy, she brought with her her youngest child and was taking good care of his kids -- but he became quite cold and unfriendly, and they divorced. Although she had not been in the US for the full 2 years, the State Department (as she recounts the story) gave her the green card anyway, on account of his emotional cruelty. I haven't seen any of these quick-divorce advice sites, but as Ivor just posted, you can be sure that people in these migrants communities "know the score." ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/10/2011 7:56:03 PM   I learned something, Mr. Durak. I have not heard of that one. I still don't see that as a good reason for not sending her back, but I am not the one making the decisions. I have heard hardship being used like they may not have money to go back, they don't have a place in their country anymore, and even emotional ties to the spouse's children. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/11/2011 1:22:18 AM   danny,,, get some kind of word processor,,, or at least a dictionary! Good grief!! Boaring????? It's Boring!! I don't really care if I bore her with letters!! If she wants to stop writing to me,,, that's just fine!! And not your concern!!! Getting back to the subject,,,, if the marriage ends on bogus reasons,, the best is to send her back!!! US. men,,, are responsible for their fiancee's for 40 quarters!! I am assuming they mean 10 years by that,, however, don't think of that as 2011 to 2021?? When they leave to visit home,, and they will, that time is not counted!!! So if she is gone for a month per year,,, add 10 months onto the 10 years!! If they cry abuse, you may be prevented from doing this again (IMBRA) or what ever. I haven't read anything from an Oz,,,, but there was a thread called something like;,,, The most dangerous scam yet! Or the biggest scam! It was on here about a year ago! The woman totally trashed the guy's life. Has anyone looked for those Russian instructions yet? The reason it would be good to have a copy,,, is to use it in court!! If you can show that she followed a script,,, you may be off the hook, and she might be on her way home??? Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/11/2011 8:22:56 AM   ere is the thread, and some copy & pastes from it, and this is just one of very many: http://forum.fiance.com/forum2.asp?Main=ShowTopic&topicid=4914&pa ge=1 The most dangerous scam yet for USA residents Land of oz You had better be very sure of a woman before you bring her to the USA. Because the most dangerous scam is after she is here. http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/roberts/070918 All she needs to do is get a restraining order and the Violence against Women Act will almost guarantee her permanent residence, welfare, medicare. This puts a carrot in front of an immigrant that whether the plan from the start or after a minor disagreement. You better believe that all of the ladies on the Internet know about this. One call to a shelter and they will whisk her away and a few lies and a restraining order and you cannot even talk to her to find out what happened or to try to remedy the situation. I was lucky enough she did not call the police and actually get criminal charges filed on me because true or not if a 911 call is made someone goes to jail and is charged with domestic violence whether they do anything or not. But I now have a restraining order on my record that in the hearing she admitted many of her claims were not true but the judge still issued the order. And I am here to tell you none of them were true but some things just cannot be proven in black and white. Here are INS rules for victims of vawa to apply for permanent residence http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a /?vgnextoid=499a6c854523d010VgnVCM10000048f3d6a1RCRD&vgnextchannel=828807b03d92b 010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1RCRD So if you are not totally sure about your woman do not let her set her feet on US soil until you are. Land of oz RB If you call being served a restraining order getting in contact with her yes I did. She was at the hearing but I was not able to talk to her. I found out she was in Lincoln, Ne from the restraining order. And now for a year I cannot attempt to make any contact with her including email. Durak the first thing that really scared me that she was interested in this was an incident with her child. I always helped him with his homework and enjoyed it. I was driving 120 miles each way to work at this time so I could be home for his homework and take care of chores she could not yet master Such as putting gas in her car, bringing items from the store she could not yet locate and making sure there was still spending money in the drawer for her. I showered she fed me and requested I help him with his homework. I got my glasses set at the table but he refused to come because he was playing a video game. I wanted to read a manual to set the fan of the central heating unit to run all the time to filter the air even when the burner was not on and went to that. I had read 2/3s of what I wanted to when he finished his game and she requested I help him. I said in a minute. She insisted several more times and he was whining and complaining in the background and I said when I finish here. She said he needs his sleep and you help him now. I took one step forward with my index finger up and said I waited for him and he is no better than I am he can wait for me. She grabbed my finger with both hands and yelled he does not need your help. She tried to help him blew up and they went to his bedroom homework undone. She would not speak to me for 2 days and swore I wanted to hit her son which I definitely had no intention of doing. This made me think she was looking for an excuse to drop the domestic violence hammer but she did not at that time. She spent 3 months in Ukraine this summer and I had her green card when she returned. That was when she truned cold leaving 3weeks later. Early warnings were wanting to sleep on oppisite sides of the bed, not wanting to be touched other than for sex which she seemed to enjoy, especially being angry in the morning. Whether she planned it all along, met a boyfriend during her stay in Ukraine, or when she decided I may never know. I do know she was a different woman when she returned from Ukraine and I gave her the green card. Land of oz She was well educated but did not know English well enough to communicate in public. She said she wanted to learn but did not seem real dedicated to it. When I tried to teach her such as repeating in English what I said in Russian she became irritated and told me I talked too much. She was very interested in politics, really liked putin, disliked Ushinko, and spent a lot of time searching for political issues. She will have to stay in a Russian community to communicate well. One of her favorite movies was Dva brat (Two brothers) about two R mafia brothers who went to America to deal with a man who crossed them in Russia. They shot up the police, the blacks, and almost everyone else. There was a bald Russian prostitute in the movie that the two brothers wound up taking back to Russia. I told my then fiance that would not be her. But that haunted me when I said it and I shook it off. Sometimes I have premonitions like that and they come true. I fear it is possible this will be the case. I hope not but at this point there would be absolutely nothing I could do as far as discussing with her or helping her. sjsj0908 she was strong willed. She seemed to be honest enough until she was in Ukraine and even then she disclosed things that were not in her best interest to tell me but the atm withdrawals did not always come from the same city she swore to me she was in. She denied it until I told her the bank was going to have big problem reporting a wrong location at which point she told me she was having a friends husband take her card and get money for her. I accepted that answer. But other things did not add up. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/11/2011 9:22:04 AM   And I've had a couple, or few, lesser experiences myself: 1. One Russian lady I was dating, she had decided that she wanted me to buy a particular and expensive item, I hadn't refused to buy it, but I hadn't agreed to buy it either, I was merely trying to offer an explanation. Well three or four times, as soon as the opening words of my explanation left my lips, she went off on one, ranting and raving so sure that she knew what I was going to say, which she was VERY wrong about, and we reached a stalemate situation whereas I couldn't speak, if I was to speak she would go off on one. As I tried once more, she did it again, so I raised my voice, whilst maintaining full control of myself, telling her, similar to, "Will you shut the phuck up and let me phucking speak etc." Her immediate, and I mean 'immediate', action was to grab for her mobile phone telling me that she was calling the police ... I questioned "What, it's now a criminal offence to tell you that you are wrong about something?", this made her think twice and refrain from calling the police but I'd had my warning and I terminated the relationship not too long thereafter. 2. It was about 10 years ago that another Russian lady came to live with me on a settlement (Fiancee) visa, weeks in it became apparent that she had merely used me for a ticket and visa to the west and she was picking argument at any, and every, given opportunity, I tried and tried but the relationship just dissolved and she went to stay at an Uzbek friend's house ... although she didn't tell me this, she was keeping her whereabouts a secret but I do know what 2 + 2 =. She had voiced intention to work here (illegally), something which I may be held responsible for and may go against me in any subsequent visa application, so I sent a straightforward email to the consulate that had issued her visa to the effect that we are no longer together, that she has disappeared however I believed she may be located at XYZ address. As soon as the authorities made contact with her Uzbek friend the ex was straight on the phone to me telling me that if she is forced to leave the country then she's reporting me to the police for rape ... we had been living and sleeping together in a relationship. I just called her bluff telling her that if she tells me where she is I would call the police for her, I would save her the trouble ... that was the last time we ever heard from each other. :) They all know it, whatever the circumstance, whatever the country, just report the man for assault or whatever and "we'll" be well looked after. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/11/2011 11:58:55 AM   Lonely, the responsibility is only to the extent of government assistance. Nowadays, that's hard to come by, but assuming they do, that's at the state level. I doubt if there is much communication between the two. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/11/2011 6:15:22 PM   DD, Just because you have a track record of girlfriends dying upon you once you start dating them, two so far that you have reported to us, please don't think that all our girlfriends act out a scene from 'She just died in my arms' or 'Supergirl' as it seems you experience. This was a serious thread, a serious discussion, until you popped along with you own unique brand of dyslexic stupidity, you want to play 'Silly Fuckers' DD then go play it with somebody who actually gives a shit. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/12/2011 10:57:00 PM   dang-odd,,,, or danny, I missed one of your posts,, so here it is again. "lonly its not an important enough part of my life to spend time spelling checking or word processor . most my internet is on my phone while i go about daily life ... the good news is i leave on vacation in a few weeks .. i still think all the troubles are a big age gap and the gift giving and money sending " danny,,,, do you text as you drive????? That would explain your writing!! What do you mean,,, it's not an important enough part of your life??? YOU LIVE ON THE FORUM!!!! Ivor,,,, I have always wondered how "dang-odd" got the money for all of his trips?? People like danny in the US wouldn't get enough money from their government (mental) disability checks!! But now,,, I think I know how he does it!! He must put life insurance on all of his victims,,, or what danny calls; "dates"!! danny,,, how often do you collect on their policies????? Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > After the fiance visa
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