Well... after sitting in the back of the class, listening and learning from you all; I need to report that after nearly a year of letters, Skype calls and several visits -- I am getting engaged and have begun the visa process. Like many of you, I was initially attracted to the young, beautiful 20-something models types but found that regardless of what people tell you: the age difference does matter. There is already a cultural and language divide, a significant age difference on top of it all in most cases is too much to handle. I focused my search on the things that are really important to me: single woman with no kids, good/great English, educated, non-smoker, MUST HAVE OWN E-MAIL. Once I did that, I found that the scammers and game players fell off the radar. Maybe I was just lucky, who knows. We have been together almost a year now and I am planning my third trip back to request permission from her father. I know we all fall in love for different reasons and think our woman is the best, but BOY did I get lucky!! Even after a year, I learn something new every day. She is truly one of the great women on the planet.
My point is three fold:
1) Be realistic is your search (are you looking for fun or looking for a partner) we all know there are women you bring home to momma and those you don’t. I met an amazing 38 year old woman who looks like she is 21, a body that won’t stop, an incredible mind and a romantic & passionate heart. I wish we could all be so lucky. First things first: define your goals and make sure they are realistic
2) Develop a strategy to obtain your goal. Like many, I can't tell you the time wasted and heart break I incurred writing to beautiful 20 something’s. Do not waste time with a woman who cannot use Skype, private e-mail or a cell phone. We have heard it over and over again and I will tell you that it is true... get them one on one and away from the agency as soon as you can. The biggest changes I made were looking at age appropriate women (I am 46 so I looked from 35 - 45)and someone with their own e-mail. I cannot tell you what a difference this made.
Lastly...
3) Don't be a chicken shit...
I waited nearly 4 years to grow balls big enough the travel to Ukraine on my own. After reading some Forum posts, it is easy to get paranoid or put-off by the entire process. What a mistake it was... those are four years I can never get back. I just got home from another trip and cannot tell you how easy and pleasant it was (except for a tight connection in Amsterdam, but that’s another story). I am self-teaching Russian and as you can imagine doing terribly... but I speak passable German and between my poor Russian, German and English, I got by just fine. I got allot of laughs when I tried to speak Russian but found it to be an ice-breaker and they seemed to appreciate the effort. (Had allot of women comment on cute my accent was…) Then of course, I became a chance for them to practice their English. My point here... I was neurotic and paranoid as they come, listened to all the horror stories and was about to through in the towel. Then I met this amazing woman, summed up the courage and just did it!!! Any of you that really want to find an amazing woman, they are out there - Ukraine, Russia, Moldova, Romania.... do yourself a favor and just jump in and do it!!!
We are in the planning stages of the wedding and most likely will marry over there. I was married before and my family has done the big wedding thing... this is her first and I want her family involved. I have interviewed several immigration lawyers and think we have all our ducks in a row. Bottom line here... don’t be put off by all the talk of scammers or crime or all the horror stories. I don’t want to talk about the houses, cars and diamonds my American ex-wife has... There is always a risk; but with risk comes reward. Just do it!!!!
Congratulations! nice to hear a success story. Couldja post the name of the sites that you used to get to where you are? or if you used several, a cursory rating on each?
One thing that pops out for me. You said that most likely, you will marry over there. I don't know about where you are from, but if it's the US, it matters. The fiance visa takes up to six months to approve. A spousal visa takes more paperwork and will take about a year or more. It does make a difference where you marry.
DUNT,,, a big crock of rubbish is what you are all about!!
Why would you post something like that??? To get everyone to bite on it! Nobody can believe a word on the forum anymore.
I do agree, it could be nothing more than advertising. I don't let anything I read on here change my plans!
Yes, finding girls is easy!! Finding the right one is not!
AK49 I agree with most of what you say, except I am living proof that age does NOT matter and you can get twenty-something year old model types. You have it or you don't :)). I just got K1 visa approved and believe it or not I am 76 and my soon to be model-looking wife--a redhead at that--is 28 (soon).
I have been barraged by 20-something year olds and even a 17 year old!! So don't believe that thing about age. Love knows no barriers and you CAN get some good ones. Just have to try and try and don't be afraid of anything. I visited many girls soon after dating on line and have an attitude that nothing is impossible. Just give it a try.
The point is it isn't over. It is you that said it. It has been quiet between you and me and you decided to start it. You knew I was going to post something like that, didn't you? It's not a good thing to remember, is it? She did fall, didn't she? Did anyone see it? Who's to say she didn't fall from a balcony?
What was your point in posting this, Danny? You and I were quiet for at least a week. It doesn't bother me as much as it used to. Still, I don't like seeing it. I know balcony jokes bother you more. A lot more. It was a post like that that started or continued the balcony jokes to begin with. You know that.
"how do you go when you do a visa and the case oficer say ... hang on the kids white but your black .
and then they think , hang on the kid is two years and the so called dad visited three years ago ..
Way to go Shark... I send you my best wishes. I just turned 47 and have been dating in the "local" 20 something crowd for the last 5-6 years. (In the US BTW). I found my standards were either too high or the girls were just too stupid at that age... Yeah they look great and it was allot of fun but after a few weeks it would be nice to be able to maintain a simple conversation. I'm not saying it is impossible, just very difficult.
Thanks everyone for the feedback on marrying in the US vs. Ukraine. After talking with my immigration attorney, Lena and I have decided to marry in the states and then have a celebration back in Ukraine. The K1 vs. K3 process and timeline made that a rather simple decision. Ragingbull... your information was spot on - thanks.
Danny just want to clarify... yes, anyone can find a woman (hell, if you can't find dozens I would be amazed...) my point is that I found a "keeper". Not some party girl soaking you for money, vacations or a green-card. Once we reached the point of knowing this was more than casual dating, I did the full check-out process. I speak for her at least twice a day on Skype, I had a back-ground check performed on her, I have been to her work location several times, I have spoken to her friends at work and at home. I am friends with a dozen of her immediate family and have spent time knowing them and her family. This has not been a rush-job; it has taken us a year to get here. As for being a scammer... I am as sure about her not being one as I could possibly be. I still have $150,000 whole in my pocket my American ex-wife and last American girl-friend. All I can say is that I have done my best to know that she is the one I would settle down with. as we all know, marriage is less than 50% successful these days... it's all a crap shoot. But I can look anyone of you in the eye and tell you I turned over every stone and checked out every detail as best I could.
As for my post being a sales pitch... go back and re-read my second point!!! Do not waste time on women who cannot use Skype, personal e-mail or a cell phone. Get them away from the agency as soon as possible!! Not sure how anyone would consider that a sales pitch for a dating site.
As negative and pompous as this forum has become... there are nuggets of truth here. You just need to be willing to sift through the ton crap for the once or two of gold.
More power to you, Shark. I do believe you are on thin ice, but thin ice can be crossed.
I'm glad to have helped, ak49. I thought you might have been from Europe and since you already interviewed immigration lawyers, my post would not be helpful. I'm glad I did post.
Either the State Department's explanation for a spousal visa taking longer than a fiance visa is a delaying tactic, or they have taken stupid lessons from Ralph aka doppelganger aka Rasputin. Both go through the same paperwork for a visa to enter the US. A spouse already meets eligibility requirements, being married to a US citizen. The extra paperwork that takes six months for a spouse is to reconcile having two eligibility requirements.
I have a suggestion if you still want to marry in Ukraine, ak49. You could marry with a priest or minister without getting a marriage license and apply for a fiance visa as if you were not married.
The woman I visited from Zaporozhye did that. She was showing me her pictures in her computer. In it, was her man who abandoned her. There were tears in her eyes as she was talking about him. She thought he was in Kiev and did not know if he married another. He did not bother to tell her. They didn't need to divorce. How convenient.