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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Elen81 Author Post Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/6/2011 5:31:42 AM   Hi men, i think if you really looking for real woman on that site, you should choise real woman, not woman in lingerie, model or an superbeauty (not only because it is fotoshop, silicon, make up or something else).. Be real, if you are sure you deserve such woman and not other (sorry but you have to be real about yourself, your appearance, status, intellect, lifestile...). than try...But i think than you shouldnt search for woman this way... Or men about 50 and more years looking for contact with 20-years old girl. Look for usual, clearly real women,than you don´t need to write here about your bad experiance with scammers; do not be leazy (bacause i have enough experiance on that sites too, good and not so good) - men often are very primitive, borring, leazy, can´t offer a conversation, can not do a first step, making waiting for answeres, disappear and after a long time come back... waiting for women`s initiative, some of you men also making half dressed/ naked fotos, i never trust such people, it means you are not serious, many of you give no info about yourself in profile too, and some of you are looking to intensive - writing to 100 women at the same time... Not letters but regular even stupid words: hi, how are you today? and than forget details of concrete person :((( Meeting - you know you are looking for a woman from Russia, it is not easy to get ther or out... And ofcource it is just crazy to see a man who is counting cents to pay only his bill in cafe or restaurant. Or living together and discuss about who is paing for eating, and who for heating... That is what i can say as a russian woman. And there are a lot a lot a lot of crazy mental sick people... and this is so sorry. And some of men have own very strange roules, and they even think it is normal, and they expect to appreciate this... What i am looking in men: first intellect in his eyes, to look=to be adecvate. I see it from first site, not even necessary to get in contact with... .................................................................... .............................. the above was posted by a russian gal over a year ago. I am positive this woman is for real and her comments are real. this I know because of her use of the word "usual". my wife uses that word in the same context all the time. I am not saying most men are as she describes. rather, there are surely a good number of men who act this way. if one does not have the sense to figure out that something is too good to be true, seems fishy or whatever, then that person is in way over his head with a russian woman. many have tried to say it many times. this is not easy or cheap. however, if you have the sensibility and a real desire to find a good woman you don't have to spend a fortune finding her. I will get trashed for saying this: russia is in the big leagues, ukraine is in the minor league. why? because it is too easy to go to ukraine just to get fleeced by the pros. you can google her name, profile or letters. but you surely shouldn't have to... Niznaio Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/6/2011 1:15:37 PM   It's easy to go to Russia, you can get a dual entry visa with no difficulty. I have been to Russia over 20 times. I agree with the lady's comments in general, but if you have something to offer, you can meet serious girls/women. However, if you are not serious about going over there, why bother? durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/6/2011 1:35:28 PM   I agree, her post seems authentic to me. I have a woman friend in Russia who has been looking for marriage via an international dating site (by reputation, one of the best, and certainly not the least expensive) for at least a couple of years. She says that 95% of the men's profiles on the site are very poor -- they tell nothing about themselves (or what they write is incoherent), the pictures are shabby or ugly, they lack the combination of decent education and career, etc. etc. She tends to exaggerate with statistics, but I'm sure she means the great majority. The good news from her tale, is that if you are halfway presentable, you will look pretty good by contrast to the other guys out there. The frustrations of Elen81 with men she has been contacted by, or met with, tell a lot. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/7/2011 1:44:24 AM   Ralph,, why would you call Ukraine “the minor league” simply because it’s easier to travel to?? If it’s more difficult to find an honest Ukrainian, vs.. a Russian,,, maybe Russia is the minor league?? Or do you just want more bragging rights, because you married a Russian woman?? Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/7/2011 3:24:00 AM   lonely dude.... it is because there are so many who get ripped off by Ukrainian women/agencies. Ukraine had eased its visa process. Many of the "agencies" have capitalized on this fact. I'm sure if Russia did the same it would be "open season" on unsuspecting men. That is why I made that comment. To be sure, it is very easy to go to Ukraine. And why not take advantage of that fact? You must have seen durak's post of the inequities of Ukrainian life and that it is a rule less society. Even though Russia is the same, it is much easier for Ukrainian "women and agencies" to take advantage of this situation. So, to be sure, there are many more rip-off opportunities in Ukraine. That is my argument that Ukraine is in the minor leagues. I am not saying there are not genuine women from Ukraine. I am merely stating that it has become a market place for women - agencies - to make money from unsuspecting men who think they can just go on the internet to find their dream woman. Why do so many men post on this site that they met "scammers" ? How many men complain about "scammers" they met from Russia? It is generally from Ukraine that a majority of men complain about "scammers". Correct me if I am wrong. But go back over the postings and if I am wrong then prove me wrong. Understand that a small percentage of men who go into this do not have a clue this forum exists. So there are many men who do not have the advantage of this (or disadvantage)forum. Why is Ukraine the minor league and Russia more difficult? It is just for that reason, Russia is more difficult. A serious man would endure those difficulties. I have nothing against the women of Ukraine. I am just saying that for the most part, they - AND THE FOREIGN MEN - are being taken advantage of by the agencies who promote them. Russia is not much better. But at least Russia has the advantage of no easy travel. Take it for what it's worth. This is my opinion. kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/7/2011 6:53:50 AM   strangely i hear of so many more russian girls here who have married kiwis then ukraines. thinking about bit i know of only two ukraine girls compared to,, well, its a huge number of russians i can say, to many to bother counting. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/7/2011 7:11:50 PM   Ralph,,, from my experience, Tver’ Russia was the worst place I have been to!! Every word was a lie!! Everything was set up to get guys to that city,,,,, and keep them there! They lure you there with a girl, she meets you, then works every minute that week, while the agency nags on you to meet others,,,,,, 50USD a head. If you look at the number of women from the two countries,,,, it will be like;,,, Russia 12,000 Ukraine 10,000! How does the Ukraine compare in size?? ¼,,,,, 1/6 ??? The scammers are just more condensed! A larger % of women in Ukraine are using the internet! More men are going to the Ukraine,,, so sure, you are going to have more complaints!! Their scams are a little more petty ,,,,, petty scams cost less! On my 2009 trip, I was to meet one woman in Tver’ and 4 in Ukraine,,,, Russia was half of the expense!! It was NOT worth it! I don’t have any more, or less fondness for either country,,, I go there, because that’s where the women are! More scammers in Ukraine than Russia????? No!! Go to; www.scammerlist.com and look for yourself!! It is in the same ratio as the number of women members from the dating sites!!! Also,,, the idea that younger women are most likely scammers, and only the older ones are serious,,,,, is total bunk too!!!! Once again,,, go look for yourself!! There are many more scammers over the age of 30!! And yes I know,,, it takes a little time to get started in scamming,,, but the young ones learn very quickly!! “A serious man would endure those difficulties” Been there,,,, and done that,,,,, twice!! I was not impressed! Yes, I read durak’s story about the policeman and the free beer and ice cream! It is no different in Russia,,,,, however,,,, you may not have been able to read that story if it was about Russia!!!! Does anyone here think that Russia is a free country???? The KGB just has a new name,,,, how sweet!! Does anyone think their elections are fair??? Putin and that other guy put each other in power,,, and the people think it’s just great!!! They still don’t have the courage to stand up to their dictators!!! kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/10/2011 6:55:25 PM   i cannot place the city, but free-er didnt feel like the right word at the time. it was a protest that was a few blocks away from my apartment. authority's were or had closed down a market for some development project. the old people were out in force with a few young ones in front,, placards in place. their livelihood was at stake or should i say taken away. i could kind of understand the massive lines of cops with their long battens and big hats to subdue this irritant of this sub people that didnt understand the bigger picture. again i could see the reason of showing a force of riot police behind these policemen (looked like Chinese or Japanese martial arts performers)with strange fighting costumes. what was worrying to me was the line of soldiers behind the riot troops with AK's. if that wasn't enough the APC behind the soldiers( which i always thought was a nicer machine then the American IVN or Canadian LAV equivalent) was mounted with a nice big machine-gun did it for me. shit these were old people? old people that possibly drew a war pension. the girl i was with really didnt think much of it,,,,, "another normal day" in her new free-er country:) eric Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/10/2011 11:48:36 PM   i have been to ukraine and russia for the past few years during the summer. i have to agree taht the girls past 30 where most of the scammers although petty. like some girls who say come and meet me and then live at whatever work they do. a lot of pick up fees like some outrageous taxi ($63 one in kharkov) to pick me up. that taxi driver got about $10. there are a lot of money grabbing cops in odessa and moscow. i loved the women in moscow, who where educated and spoke good english. i spent easily $10,000 in that stupid city in 2 months. an apartment can be $80 a day without an agency. i included my airfare with price. i would rather get ripped of in ukraine. moscow is way to expensive. Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/11/2011 10:38:20 AM   okay --LY SAYING -- so it is 50 - 50 but unlikely. russia is a big place ------ukrane is less--- but lonelydude, i do not disagree with you.... i M ON LY saying that for the most Part that UKrane has more imformation about scammers compared on this forum. obviously I have become a retard answering to my post. it must be the vodka... ;) But I stand by my reasoning that Ukraine has the advantage of ripping off men only by the fact that it is easy for (unsuspecting men) to visit. Say what you will... It is a fact that Ukraine is the most ripoff place for foreign men. They just cant wait to get your money. They have classes for it. It has become sort of what the American men who have opted for vocational school. It is the vo-tech for Ukraine gals. Not unlike 'home-economics' for American girls. It is truly a dog-eat-dog society. And when a mutt comes into town, it is easy pickens. I know of scammers and I know a scam web-site. But I do not post because I cannot prove it. But I know. Yes, I know. So if those of you who continue to send money, gripe or whatever, you need to take a step back. Think about it. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/12/2011 12:06:05 AM   DUNT,,, it would be the worst thing they could do,,, is to stand up to their government????? When I have more time,,, I’ll tell you a little story about their great famine of 1918 or 1919!! It should change everyone’s opinion!! “russia is more free then anyother country i know ...you can do what you want” ?????? The reason why “you” might be able to do whatever you want,,, is that you are a freaking sideshow!!!! The people of Russia have very few freedoms,,, however most will say; it is the greatest country, and will interpret world events in a very dumbfounding way. The facts could be staring them in the face,,,, and they won’t see it! During my time in Tver’,,,, I saw more soldiers carrying their automatic rifles in one day,,,,, than I have seen in my entire lifetime here in the U.S. Where the hell is the threat supposed to be coming from????? Were they going to have some sort of scrimmage with a neighboring city????? The perceived threat is their own people!!!! Ralph,,, I’m not disagreeing with everything you say. And I am in no way saying; that the Ukraine doesn’t have scammers!! I know they do!!!! More men go to the Ukraine,,, so of course they have more complaints!! I had thought of the two countries having almost the same number of single women on dating sites,,, Russia with about 12,000 and the Ukr with about 10,000???? I’m not sure which website that was from,, so I checked with Aweb! Was I ever shocked!!! Russia 5,038,,,,, Ukr 19,613!!!!!!! It shows how a larger % of women in the Ukr are using dating sites and agencies!! More women means more men,,,,, many more!! Also,,,, since we all know Aweb is a scam,,,,,,, it is not surprising that there is almost 4x more daters in Ukr!! I have no doubt, that they would have classes for scamming. The girls can’t be born with a scammer gene! It’s not in the air,,, or in the water,,,,,, where would young girls meet the professional scammers??? At the agencies!!! When I think about agencies,,,,, I think about how I was robbed in Lugansk!! And I’m not even talking about money!!! In fact, I still don’t care about what I spent on one person,,, a part of my life that was supposed to be real was stolen from me! I will forever and always, have nothing but pure hatred for that agency in Lugansk, and Aweb! lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/13/2011 11:32:43 AM   I guess DUNT has forgotten about me being married to a Russian woman?? Or the fact that I have been there, met and wrote to many Russian women??? Don't worry DUNT,,,, you almost got 1% right!!!!! 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