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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Trip to Donetsk - any advice Author Post giss Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/1/2012 2:07:41 PM   The end of the month Im going to Donetsk. Going to be there 16 days. I know a woman there (imagine that) who I agreed to let find me an apartment but told her just for the first weekend I'm there. I told her 4 days and we would see if that was where I wished to remain. Im about 99% sure this one is not a scammer. I have offered her things like Christmas presents. She said no. I asked her what I could bring her family when I arrive, she said nothing just for me to come to her. She writes me many times each day, with the exception of weekends, with out missing one. SHe writes long invpolved letters that could not have been for anyone else as they respond to the letters I send her. IM feeling pretty good about her now. The question is any advice about where to go, what to do, and cool things to make sure I see while I am there? I have heard some of the WOrld Cup playoff games are coming this summer and they have cleaned up the city tremendously. Its been modernized and services are at their peak. I can not verify any of this as I have never been there and even when I arrive I dont know how it used to be. I mean its not like real football or anything to get excited about but Europeans go crazy for this stuff. (ok that was an intended joke) ( I just hope no one gets squashed at the games) Thanks zarkey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/5/2012 6:55:06 PM   Why would you offer someone Christmas presents you don't even know? First make mistake. Stop feeding the scammers or potential ones. giss Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/6/2012 6:21:50 AM   Carley I didn't offer. I asked and was turned down. It was a gauge of mercenary. Please look a little deeper and think a little harder so I don't need to write in crayon. giss Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/6/2012 7:06:26 PM   Anyway the whole point was masterfully ignored for a dumb shot at ridicule aimed at a toss off comment. If you read the Question, "where to go and what to do" you will see nothing to do with scams, deceit, or even opinion of my behavior. It really is a much simpler question. kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/7/2012 12:27:12 AM   hey zarkey, offering doesn't mean actually getting, we are all allowed to play games, but i understand what you are getting at and i agree. Giss, i have been told donetsk has far to many millionaires and the city itself is a dump. i met one of its ex-patriots in kiev square and he also had no good things to say about it. not that he was worth anything but a laugh. he was smarter then he pretended and was another of those different types you meet in ya travels that is not what you first thought. he introduced himself begging for a mcdonalds bugger, he said he hadnt eaten for four days. i had trouble believing this from his soft physical form of a more fat then muscle of "lazy living" sort of guy and overly to clean. i was sitting out the evening in the square by my apartment getting trashed with a friend next to mcdonalds. at first his interest in me took a little bit to actually sink in, then i realized, he was actually sussing me out to see if i was maybe dangerous company or more so good cover for him. his handshakes in the dark were quick but not quick enough after actually watching the oddity of different people he thought were long lost friends,,,,,,, as he slipped what ever it was into their hands. every-time someone mentions donetsk i think of that weasel and his different ethnic buddy's the soccer, i got pulled into one of russia's biggest international events some years back when they almost seceded in winning something, holy shit did the city i was in go nuts,, people sitting on moving car roofs to all sorts of mad shit with those noisy hand clickers and far to many flags. cops did absolutely nothing but let it be, my local walk in wholesaler lost all its liquor by none-payers,,, again i have never seen cops so mellow compared to other normal daily events that can put chills up ya giss Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/17/2012 3:01:43 PM   Wow I'm already leaving next week. Maybe I'll move down to Mariupol or Lugansk. Ok well it will be cool to see a new place or two. Thanks. And perhaps you are right I should not have asked, but I knew her answer before I asked. She has refused even the smallest things I have offered. One thing I did send to a woman before I met her, and the only thing was her son had a badly scarred foot and her doctor told her that she needed a medical grade silicone oil to relieve the pain from the scarring. It was $20 here an could not be found anywhere in her city. So I sent her some. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/18/2012 2:35:06 AM   Giss, I would be worried about the women seeing through your tests!! They like the game of chess over there, and to be good at chess, you need to think several moves ahead!! These women may or may not be well educated,,, but they are all very cunning,,,, too cunning for us I’m afraid??!! zarkey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/18/2012 12:54:12 PM   Giss.. Don't feed the scammers. Don't be desperate. Be yourself..... Everyone here agrees with me... And last.. Don't be in Denial! giss Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/19/2012 4:33:40 PM   As I said the only thing I was "scammed" out of was some scar treatment I sent one woman. Damn I could have given a bum $20 and it really would not matter to me. She later told me about her doctors surprise when it arrived there and he said it was just the thing. Look it was not gold. If she totally lied to me about her sons foot someone else will have a better life because of my gift. Holy crap you guys are some cheap sobs. If $20 worth of oil meant anything to me I wouldn't be willing to go to CiS cow tries because those bastard airlines would scam me. And the fact is, from a St. Pete psychologist I met over there that he says his people's whole problem is because they never look ahead to tomorrow. They eat the chicken now rather than way for the egg. What you take today is yours no matter what goes on tomorrow. That is the mentality. Anyway they were his people and he worked with them every day. I'll go with his expertise. The fact is my ex-wife takes all my money until October so there's not much left to scam anyway. This trip in 2 days will be by far my cheapest ever. No translators. If you don't speak english, see ya. No dinners except "ominya" and lots of sleep to catch up on. I'll let you know how it was when I get back. One thing that surprises me is it seems Donetsk is a place not visited much, at least by the members here from my responses. That could be cool. It is a little suprising that more members have been to Sumy it seems than Donetsk. Well I'll let you know how things go in a few days. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/20/2012 7:03:00 PM   Holy giss....last time i looked, I thought you found your women Of course not many visit donetsk unless it is for girl...more people go to mariupol. But since you are there....the donbass area is kinda neat and the surrounding park is interesting....try a few beers at JJ Huge's brewery, Shcherbakov Park...and in honor of euro 2012 the Shakhtar Museum( at arena). Best area to stay around Shevchenko/Pushkin blvds. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/20/2012 10:00:14 PM   Giss,,,,, I wasn’t criticizing the 20 dollars. I just wouldn’t call a woman honest, simply because she refused your gifts!! She could be looking forward to the “big killing” when you arrive. Although,, I do agree with what you said about them being short sighted people! I think the older generation has been very short sighted,,,,, and the younger ones are too busy scamming to worry about today or tomorrow. They know men are flying over by the hundreds,,,,, so they have plenty to choose from. zarkey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/21/2012 8:41:29 PM   Giss. It's not about $$$$ it's about not being used period! jesus, DONT GIVE MONEY TO ANYONE UNLESS YOU'RE WITH THEM FOR AWHILE. Buy what you want them, what you want, not what they want. giss Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/23/2012 12:11:36 AM   Arrived in Donetsk yesterday. Met the woman and translator at the airport. What a bleak place. Coal mines and metal smelters. I'm sure there is a pretty part of the city but I haven't seen it. It's about 0 C. They said it was warming up! Anyway they dropped me at my apt, not a great one but quite livable. They picked me up at 7 and. In another test told her wherever she wanted to go. She said Sushi! I recalled a 29 year old I went out with in Kharkov for sushi and the whole bill was about $140. So I went along to confirm my fears. It looked like a nice place outside ever a guy in some Japaneese warrior garb freezing his sack off to open the door outside. Then we enter and there's another guy who's job it was to ring a gong when you walked in. I'm thinking it's time to move on in the morning. We had dinner with a beer and the whole bill was 175 by hyvrina! We had agreed that I would pay the translator the next day but as we left the translator asks to be paid. I say tomorrow, right? She tells me no, my date told her we won't need her again while I am here and we will make due! Between her 1st grade English and my 20 month old child Russian we could talk! She even brought me a present of a hat from the local "football" team. Tomorrow it's Donbass stadium and Saturday the "Romantic Dolphin show" what ever that is. One thing is she is 20 years younger than me.. That worries me a little, but what a sweet and thoughtful woman. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/23/2012 1:27:42 AM   Zarkey,,,, I’m not so sure that is always a good idea?? If you are in a mall with them, letting her chose her own gift,,,,, that’s the quickest way I know of to spot a scammer!! If they choose an item simply because it’s the most expensive,,, they are a scammer! If they are a little self-conscience about spending your money,,,, then you might have a good one?? Under normal circumstances,, buy the gift you want to give to her ahead of time! Taking her to the mall to spend money, is like taking a little kid to a candy store,,, a good way to spoil them! It could also seem like we are flaunting our money!! You don’t want to get that started either!! kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/23/2012 6:40:53 PM   Giss how are you getting online there ?? zarkey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/24/2012 10:06:52 AM   lonelyranger. Correct, get them something small. chocolates. perfume... stuff like that. Simple! that's all lol UKR-TourManager Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/24/2012 8:54:32 PM   hi Giss just found this post. There is lot's of advice i can give you. I have been doing Ukraine trips for many years. And i have started introduction consultancy agency recently (one that is not a scam- and we don't do letter writing). Any way i can give you some free advice for sure. About the gifts. Yes try to stay away from shopping until you are sure about the lady. And if she walks into what looks like an exepensive shop do not follow her. Make excuse e.g. have to make a phone call, or have to reply to urgent SMS now. Just hang around outside shop while she goes in, but if you get chance then try to look in and see what she is enquirying about. I did that and it was useful. Onc time the lady started trying on jewelry. So i walked out again without her seeing me and i went around corner. She caem out 5 mins later looking for me and wanting to get me into shop to buy something. I had phone in my hand and pretended to talk to my apartment owner- some emergency about walking leaking from my apartment to apartment below me etc etc etc. I told her i had to run back to find out what was happening. I went off and thankfully never saw her again. So always have some excuse ready when you see potential trouble on shopping trips. That's one piece of advice. And stay away from Sushi bars. Just say to her that you do not like sushi. And try to get your interpreter to organise taxis for lady by getting agree price, even if you have to call the interprter on phone. Do not get into a taxi with a lady you do not know well, unless you have agreed price before and know exactly where the taxi will go to. If lady shows up on first or second date in a taxi, do not just get into that taxi with her. Ask where they are going, get agreed price (via call to interpreter). Or again, have an excuse ready i.e. i have booked table at near by restuarant and we should WALK there, i.e. make her get out of taxi (but don't forget to have at least prepared a possible evening at restuarant anyway- by checking them out earlier). lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/25/2012 1:40:29 AM   UKR TM If I had a dollar for every website that said they were honest,,, I wouldn't need to work!! You've got to do a hell of a lot more to prove it's honest!!!! What you wrote sounds good,,, but so have hundreds of bogus emails and letters from women!! You are fighting an uphill battle!!! UKR-TourManager Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/25/2012 6:06:06 PM   Lonely ranger. That is exactly why my business does not do letter writing at all. just one to one intros and excusions. And each lady is know personally to my consultants. so there is nothing bogus at all. At some point in one's life, we all have to trust someone or something. So if you are ever in ukraine then contact me and i will ensure you will only meet legit women. The proof is in the 'pudding' as we say here in U.K. When you meet ladies who really want to meet you (those who do not want letters because they know the letter writing is a scam too) then you will be plesantly surprised. I don't fight any uphill battle at all. My business has started well and will continue so. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/26/2012 12:10:12 AM   Collecting the fees is only a small part of the pay per letter scam!! Convincing a guy to visit their city, and rent their apartment, and hire their interpreters, and use their drivers, and wine and dine them is the biggest part!! I’m not a fan of writing letters, but how else can you learn about someone?? I need to know a hell of a lot about a woman, before I travel around the world to meet her! How much interaction do your clients have with the women before they meet? How are your arranged meetings any different than just walking into a bar or club? Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Trip to Donetsk - any advice
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