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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > First Visit to Ukraine Author Post JR_NY1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/6/2012 1:21:15 PM   I am an American and recently visited Kiev and Zhytomir while on holiday in Europe. I have a few pearls of wisdom I would like to pass on to those men undertaking this journey. - Write to many women, be direct, and get off the website and on the phone or Skype as soon as possible. Most of the profiles here or on any date site are either fake or scams. My Ukrainian girl lent her photos to a friend who was unemployed with children. Her friend posted them on dating sites and received money for every letter that was written to the profile. Luckily my girl viewed my profile and decided to contact me. It is easy to cut out the scammers by asking for phone or Skype numbers. Remember, you are a man and you deserve to be happy. Take control of the situation and ask to contact your woman directly. Any girl wanting to know you better will respond affirmatively. - If you haven't been to a former soviet bloc country, do yourself a favor, book and plane ticket and prepare to be amazed. No amount of letters or video chats can substitute for a real life meeting. The reality was very different from my romantic notions of a foreign relationship. So get out of the dream world and into reality. Have your lady book you a flat so you can avoid the expensive hotel chains. If you are not a keen traveler, book an interpreter or tour guide so you're not crushed by the culture shock and can guarantee yourself a pleasant visit. - There is a huge disparity of wealth in Ukraine. There is the new elite class, hoarding the country's resources and living the good life and then there is everyone else. I thought I would find a people who had shaken off the tyranny of communism and embraced free trade. The reality is that capitalism has not been so kind. Communism is still very tangible in Ukraine and they continue to celebrate the Russian holidays. The great patriotic war is part of the cultural fabric and you will see this in the many memorials and monuments and hear it in the songs. - The average woman in these countries has a very difficult life, but they are not unhappy. I was amazed at what these girls could do with so very little. I learned that you can have nothing, but still be a stunningly beautiful and sophisticated lady. As such, these women are not impressed with your comparative material wealth. Do not try to rescue them no matter how badly you want to help. Buying your woman's love will only breed resentment and ill will. E-cards, chocolates, and flowers at appropriates times are all that is necessary. These women want a true man, not a sugar daddy. The love of these women can be a heavy weight and any of your doubts or insecurities are sure to come to surface. Just remember to be a gentleman and never accept that your woman act anything less than a lady. - For heaven's sake, learn a little Russian and study the culture and courtship patterns. I found Ukrainian women to be a little old school in their relationships. No hand holding, rather offer her your arm instead. Do not move too fast with your girl; she will let you know when she is ready to be intimate. Do not gush or be too emotional. This is viewed as weakness. Ukrainians can't understand why American's force themselves to be cheerful and pleasant with everyone they meet. They see this as disingenuous. Meet her parents and get to know the family. Chances are she still lives with them and they are the most important people in her life. Good luck with your search. You are taking a path less traveled. Be honest, act boldly, and you too can meet a woman that will excite and thrill you for the rest of your life. TINTIN Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/6/2012 5:51:39 PM   First visit? then I suggest you get some more experiences say at least 10 years,and travel every few months. Dont give me advise or most of the guys on the site. Girls are girls what ever country. Ukraine girls see all men as a meal ticket even there own men.To get the best woman you want you have to stand out and spend on your date this is excepted .The Russians and Ukraine guys with style do this. You want quality you have to be quality.You want a woman with beauty at a budget price.Impossible. Hugo Boss suit always does well and Burberry ,A woman has many many choices and I have not met one in all my years of travel that after a good night out hasn't ended up in bed with me. So always look your best on a date.If you haven't got the money and the suit don't expect to get a Kiev born girl.....Same as London mate or New York.Ukraine is not a country full of desperate people trying too get out.Yes if you don't look the part.You don't no the bars clubs and restaurants in Kiev go and find a country girl.Ukraine has become over the last few years a desperate mans answer to love......Thank god for fools.If it wasn't for them life and success would be harder for me. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/6/2012 7:41:47 PM   Jr,,, I read what you wrote and liked most of it, but what you said about apartments isn’t always true. First thing, if the girl demands that you stay in an apartment, then you have been writing to an agency girl or someone who works for the agency! The main goal of an agency is to get you to their city, and rent their apartments. Second, they will want full payment in advance! What if you and the girl don’t get along?? The agency will be after you to see other women,,, their second goal is for you to hire interpreters!! You can spend your time playing musical girls, taking them out for dinner, or you might want to leave that city?? You won’t get a refund!!! Third, it is not always cheaper at an apartment! I saved 10USD per night staying at a nice hotel. I also have a restaurant in the building, and a laundry service! Do you really want to drag your laundry down the street, or in a taxi?? Forth, Does anyone in that apartment building speak English?? Most hotels have at least one person who can speak some English! JR_NY1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/6/2012 9:29:59 PM   Everyone has their own experience and your mileage may vary. My messages may be more for the newbie versus the road warriors that seem to frequent this forum. The average American Joe undertaking this venture can be quickly parted from his money and come away with a bad experience. I imagine most just prefer to live in the virtual world and never man up and visit their special lady. TINTIN, You are right that girls are girls no matter the country; gold diggers are not unique to the US. You are also spot on about the city girls as well. I don't need to leave Manhattan to shag a girl impressed with my bespoke suits and investment banking career. I need a woman who can look beyond material possessions. My girl is from a town near Kiev. I didn't want to spend my whole visit out in the sticks, so I asked we split time between Kiev and her city. Her girlfriends at home were some of the nicest I met in Ukraine. Lonelyranger1701, very good points about housing. I suppose even the visit to the FSU could be part of the dating scam. I skyped with my girl for almost a year before visiting. I felt we had a level of trust and allowed her to make arrangements for us. She was my tour guide and interpreter. I suppose one just needs to make an honest assessment of his situation and act accordingly. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/7/2012 10:54:00 AM   The scamming or deception starts long before you buy your plane ticket! I was about to say; it starts with the first letter, but that’s not really true either. It starts when you choose a dating website!! When a website advertises that “they have thousands of girls who want a man just like you” that is the first lie!! They have thousands and thousands of girls, but most of them were hired just to tell you; that you are so wonderful and they want to marry you,,, then they go home to their boyfriends or husband later each night! After you join a website, you will get 10-20-30,,, maybe even 40 letters a day from women who want to marry you. That’s the next lie! Letters are sent out by the agencies and not the girl herself. Every guy on this forum already knows this. I have received a letter from a girl I already knew in Odessa,, not a girl I dated, but one that I had met. I saw her letter and thought,,,, It’s Anna,,, and she found me!!! I started to read the letter,,,,,,,,, she doesn’t say anything about knowing me?!! It was just one of the dozens of “Intro Spam” letters that come every day! All of the flattery, all of the; we have so much in common,,,, like music! It’s just BS,,, they have never looked at your profile! I have written to many women for a year or more before meeting them. You would think you know them after so much correspondence,,, but if she’s not the one who has been doing the writing,,,,,, what good has it accomplished??? Some websites advertise, that only the girl herself writes the letters! This is one of those websites,,,,, and I have to say, it’s not always true. Yes, get off the websites and on personal emails and skype,,, if she has an internet connection. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/8/2012 2:23:22 AM   Send: 22.09.2011 3:37:10 Report to Moderator ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Send: 21.11.2003 13:34:35 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- http://agencyscams.com/Propaganda.htm. Quotation from the site: "Russian women are so wonderful". Of course, they say that, the agencies are selling a product. Everyone is wonderfu; when you first meet. Cold hard truth? Yes, they cook and take care of the home and children. They are taught that it is their meaning in life. (That, and to look good.) But compared to western culture, it seems to me that eastern culture is less tolerant, less patient, less loyal, more arrogant, more selfish, more vain, more apathetic, moodier, whinier, more materialistic, less driven and more cold-hearted. Everyone is wonderful when you meet them, then the novelty wears off. This is simply my opinion of what 70 years of Socialist rule will do to a culture. Don’t think that a woman is serious because she is on an agency’s site or placed her own ad and even wrote to you. Most girls do this because they are simply curious about the result that her ad will bring. It’s always free for them, so why not try. They might like the idea of a foreign husband, but not ready to go through with it. Russian people talk a lot more than they actually do. Always get a full address and telephone number ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ Can someone remind me please! What is it about the Russian woman we are hoping to find? I have no success at all. In the beginning the girls(the few that replies)appears to be very interested but when I after six letters ask for her address and phone number she suddenly send a short message that she’s leaving her country or in serious corresponding with some one else. I know what you are thinking (he maybe don’t know how to communicate) but trust me when I say that I am a very polite and ordinary looking. Funny thing, I have far more success with the western girls than the girls in Russia. this is to darn complicated! back to the locals. western girls are indeed not so bad after all:) Good luck to the rest of you apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/8/2012 2:55:43 PM   Hey JR, Yup, agree with what you wrote. Only thing is that as we all know there are not two girls exactly alike, from same backgrounds with same intentions. I actually stay at hotels whenever I am in Ukraine. Most of the bigger hotels have improved to more Western standards. Having an apartment is okay too. Depends on how much Russian.Ukrainian a person speaks too, how close the apartment is to restaurant, market, laundry and how long you plan to stay. I found that the nice apartments I like are even more expensive than a 4-star hotel with everything a guy will need. You get what you paid for in an apartment thats rented out to a foreigner. Best is to have your girl find a local apartment and get the Ukrainian-price. Worst is that she uses the agency apartment. I have spent 8 months in Ukraine this past 12 months, and 12 months in the past 2 years. I have met a fair share of girls from the agencies and at the clubs. Both have pluses and minuses. My favorite website is HRB actually. Not one girl from that website (who I met in person) was less than serious actually. Make sure your girl knows that you are not weak and will cave easily. She won't respect you. And your right, she won't respect you if you are nice and friendly to each person you meet. It seems fake and weak to a Ukraine girl. They call such men "soft". Looks do matter in Ukraine (a lot). Age difference doesn't matter if you are looking great for your age. #1 thing all the girls I met say? "They don't want a fat, old, ugly bald guy". Rich or not... So if you really want to do good, get in shape and look your best. Don't be overly nice or friendly. Be an alpha male and they will flock to you. Be weak, ugly and fat (and cheap) and they will run and disappear quick. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > First Visit to Ukraine
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