I have to say I've been on this forum for not that long and I must say that there are a lot of people that need a good kick in the you know what's...
You go on these dating sites knowing that maybe out of 30-50 letters sent to you maybe 3 might be legit for a while or all might be legit...luck of the draw I guess....get over it gents.
As I have read and there's a pattern here that the ones who have succeeded say the same things....GO OVER....BUY A TICKET.
If you don't then you won't(meet maybe the one)
My job unfortunately dictates when I can go and can't which has cost me meeting and keeping in contact with a few ladies....I'm not to fussed life goes on.
Now what gets me is that there seems to be a lot of haters here that like to kick success stories to the four corners...why..I don't know.
Now back to travel....I don't know why people get pissed cause they don't get to meet their ladies when they take the trip....Don't go there just to meet the lady...go there with the intent to see the country...go to a cafe...go to a bar...walk in a park....seeing the female should be a part of the trip not all of it.
I've read guys going out to different situations like the ones oboe and have meet and still talk/phone and visit the ladies....all you need to do is start up conversation(well prob not that easy) and most people are curious about you...your accent...your life/stories...you will be amazed how good this helps and next thing you know there's a new phone number or written address to meet for coffee.
Just think of 2 words...DO IT...if you don't you won't get anywhere and if it fails do it again with someone else..each time learn from your mistakes.
I must say that the crocs on this site are gonna attack me for some reason but hell I don't care cause at the end of the day I'm gonna keep going the way I do it for I am having a hell of a time.
Go there as a holiday....meet with the lady...if it doesn't work Stiff &$@?...go out later that night and I'm sure you will meet someone..
Learn the culture...learn some words....have fun...
Mr man why do you chastise others for kicking success stories to the four winds and fighting, then go looking for a fight? I don’t get you.
If you want to have a hell of a time there then go? I have and I don’t regret it.
There are many beautiful women there and they are all looking for a guy like us.
Go there and live the dream!
Since I like to explore new places and learn customs and culture this method worked for me. made quire a few friends just going out and saying hello to people I meet.
Hey milt ...not pickn fights I just find it funny that people bag out guys that say they have done well...
I can't wait to get there unfortunately as I said my job dictates my life so just getting up and going for me is hard but a lot of guys have that chance and all I'm saying is DO IT and if they go there just to meet a girl they wrote letters to then your a fool...that should be just a part of your trip not the whole.
When I eventually go I'm going to some small towns visit cafes bars other places where people meet...hopefully some festivals.
I will meet up with one or a few ladies I have contacted...if I doesn't work hey no probs I got a whole country to see
r man,
what are you doing here talking such sense this place is for wackos now?
yeah having a open mind is all thats needed in this venture, first trip should never have any serious female notes in it.
just go, take it all in, play with the odd agency to understand its game, its a great insight to a fantastic scam.
you are right the trips should not be concentrated around just girls ever, its a buggar that some guys here only have this choice, real shame.
theres actually so much to take in over there if you like history,, pick your era or what it is.
but saying that theres also a need to be on to it in finding the right people to have them showing off russia or ukraine.
ukraine is easy-ish, but russia has very little infrastructure for tourism, specially for none russian speakers.
getting in amongst the very people and areas of its passed makes some interesting stuff and a better feel for who they are.
like part of my second trip over there(partly explained here),, had all my tourist stuff worked out kind of,, like all my trips there, based on what i wanted to see.
and once you meet the right people there its always far better then one could imagine.
double entry and business visas were got for ukraine russia to give me three months for russia at least.
arrived in moscow,, once i got settled and did the girl thing, it was about seen something that interests me.
i traveled northward, up from Kharkov, ukraine, to see this old battle ground of ww11.
this particular area was where thousands and i mean thousands of people slaughtered each other.
this contributed to the biggest tank battle in history, "the battle of Kursk".
2,500,000 men or more, 8000 tanks, 35000 guns mortors, 5000 aircraft were put against each other over a very very short time frame.
never would i have have believed i would be given such a insight by locals or even been there years before.
as i traveled up from Balgorod Prokhorovka to Kursk trying to get a feel for the enormity's of this scene.
my luck a particular girl i visited could not have done more for me with this, her family's past is very much involved with this area.
we stayed in an old village which was once her family home visiting old friends down from Moscow for the summer, next to her parents old house.
i just cannot remember the name of the place, it was on train rout, between Belgorod and Kursk.
to get there we jumped off a train at some very small station we walked some miles to this small village on a hill top.
a lot of buildings had thatched roofs, all on water wells which really gave it the appearance of the pasted, really this place was still living in the passed.
i watched this girl and her brother visit there old homestead, there aunts home now in ruins, the ceiling was so low i could have hit my head, were they really that small of a people?
the family graves in a small wooded area, the village was on the top of the highest rolling hills i've seen there yet, but small compared to my home.
massive indentations were on the hill sides, blown out craters from the intense bombardment still so present today.
i could not help asking "whats the possibility's of finding old unexploded shells as we picked herds for a cup of tea through this.
that night we barbecued with their friends next to the best house on the street,, hes a criminal they said,, something can be said about russian hospitality,, just wow...
to the delight of the criminal we shot bottles through the night, so much for been kind to childrens feet, so typical of over there with glass everywhere.
my favourite were the bullets that blinded ya, crazy but cool,, if fired and your eyes were open you were stuffed for a minute.
the next day was back to the train, all showers and washing that morning was pulled up from the front road wells, one to every two houses,, i had to laugh about this, all had a light bulb hanging there but no pump to be seen,, stops lazy girls i guess.
the main command center or the trench bunker system where the brains was centered is still somewhere in this regional area, this was where my luck ran out, it was closed to outsiders for maintenance and no phone calls helped in getting me there.
jumping off the train, standing at Prokhorovka looking around the rolling open fields, what a sobering place, the memorial is just huge, old soviet tanks standing in line shared its dominants.
the only thing that moved, flaking my right as i looked south was a old man on a horse and cart moving hay to somewhere.
this area was where some massive forces clashed and seriously maimed each other, a true death struggle, losses to the Germans was irreplaceable but for the Russians well, so i guess the day of death was more of a win to the Russians.
here i just missed a bunch of old ex German soldiers who survived this carnage on some special visit in a bus, rather large group.
how over whelming as it was, and almost witnessing their reunion of their dreadful past.
a few small museums line this battle line from Belgorod to Kursk, seems very few westeners venture to them.
an old man, ex soldier in the Kursk museum looked at me strangely, more of surprise when the penny dropped for him,, New Zealandiar he kept yelling,, somehow it seemed to frill him to think an outsider came to see this small room he was in charge of, they dont speak softly, he kept putting different firearms in my hands, photo photo photo he would say with a smile..
in the city itself, how strange for me to see a memorial of the submarine Kursk disaster at their main memorial park, it was part of the sub, those guys on that sub were mainly from this city of no water?
the main museum in memorial of the Kursk battle itself is in Belgorod, similar style to the Sevastopol Crimean war museum,,, that one has to be the holy grail of all their war museums.
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the main museum in memorial of the Kursk battle itself is in Belgorod, similar style to the Sevastopol Crimean war museum,,, that one has to be the holy grail of all their war museums.
then theres the story of two battle cruisers sent to rescue the huge panoramic war painting that lines it full circular inner wall as the city was falling to the Germans is mind blowing but yeah very russian, very heroic, very sad, this was from my fist trip, again i was very lucky with the people i met,, story's i will never forget what my eyes saw really is half madness..
there in Sevastopol you can wonder through ruins that date back to around 442 bc, you can strangely climb over them if ya like??
if you put your mind into the past, this country is a little surreal, certainly a lot to see and take in.
and the bonus, there is a few lovely girls which in itself is hard not to notice..
getting in and actually seeing russia and ukraine has to be the ticket for success.
my shortest jump was 4 weeks, what i wrote here is a very small piece to the many things i check out.
but hey i lov my war history so how much better could it get.
Mr Man- you say your not pickn fights, but you just drew one nut into the ring. To talk about the others you don’t like or agree with, just invites them in. Be better than that!
When you get your chance to go, yeah sure, you want to sample the culture and see the sites, but you also want your girl to know “She” is the most important reason for coming! Being a tourist should come second!
Mr Man- you say your not pickn fights, but you just drew one nut into the ring. To talk about the others you don’t like or agree with, just invites them in. Be better than that!
When you get your chance to go, yeah sure, you want to sample the culture and see the sites, but you also want your girl to know “She” is the most important reason for coming! Being a tourist should come second!
Mit, i understand what you are saying but with everything its a double edged sword.
my trips were based mostly on tourism, but with girls full involvement of cause.
it goes without saying you are there to see a girl but one also has to be realistic if you will be a good match or not..
we can share an apartment or add travel around the country, adding travel with show up problems faster then any shag and candle light dinner at some silly restaurant up the street from where you are staying, if you understand what i mean.
one thing i noticed, a lot of them are very proud of their history, their identity, so use it.
no matter what you do or where you go, they immortalize all there past poets or war hero's, priests, writers or whatever by naming either memorials or historical story's by the person itself.
these girls are happy to show this off, i still find all this difficult to take in myself, their share mind work of knowing this stuff,, and are more then happy to share it.
as my short paragraphs of the two battle cruisers coming to the rescue Sevastopol city as it was falling, ack ack guns blazing at the continuous attacks on these ships by stuka's.
all this wasnt for the thousands of wounded on the docks but a canvas wall mural in a museum.
one could say maybe thousands of people died or sacrificed(not by their choice of cause) in the exchange of this over sized canvas painting.
this was a story told to me in the name of the officer with his over-sized sword on the bow of that cruiser which docked onto Sevastopols wharf itself demanding for more soldiers to help in his mission to the museum.
that story is imortalised by that mans actions by his name, bypassing the wounded for art work.
so why do russians ukraines remember these names, whats the point.
what i'm getting at these peoples hearts are in there history, what can be more personal then tourism, if you actually listen?
to visit them then leave without understanding them which is their history has to be a little ignorant wouldnt you say?
of all people russians still feel ripped off by americans or the wests ww11 war effort, to walk in and walk out with their girls without giving them some interest has to be a little cold..
but hey i'm just putting my spin on it, food for thought, as i said, its a double edged sword.
Totally agree with Kiwi. If you travel with your girl, you will learn what her real personality will be. Especially when she has no time to regroup amongst her friends and recalibrate some fake personality she contrived. A week is preferred.
Fortunately, each day I was travelling in Thailand and Turkey with my fiance' was awesome. She has a cute grumpy side to her when she wakes up in the morning. But she is real. That is what I finally saw only after travelling.
re: battles. I like watching Youtube videos about them pulling WWII tanks out of swamps. Due to the composition (reduced corrosive oxygen, etc) of swamps these things are coming out almost intact.