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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > dating sites Author Post oustabout Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/18/2012 2:46:14 AM   Hey guys,, I am here seeking advice. Thank you in advance should you choose to entertain my request. Here goes.... Where is the scam in the dating websites operations? Do the girls not really exist; is there unreasonable cost involved in getting to the point of communicating with a particular person without paying the agency to do so: What is it? My motivations for looking elsewhere for a wife are manifold, but here are a couple of biggies... Firstly, I do not want a self-proclaimed princess, and American society has taught women here that they all are God's gifts to mankind. The majority are of the opinion that it is perfectly acceptable to sit around doing mostly nothing, not take care of herself and become fat, not bother to educated herself beyond reality TV shows, that life is based in drama, and that if she wants it the man should buy it not matter how ridiculous the purchase may be- and men should be happy with this attitude, because she is, after all, woman, and there is no higher being. Secondly, most (not all, but a majority) are rooted like a pine tree, and I am setting out this fall to travel abroad for an as yet undetermined period of time, going I don't really know where: Wherever the wind blows me, living for while where I like it, then moving on to see somewhere new (gaining a true sense of each place, not just a tourist perspective). So a large percentage of girls who are serious about a long-term relationship are not an option, and i am not looking for a mere travel companion. I will provide a third, which is a real source of irritation: I am not a friggin checkbook, I am a person. Should I be looking in Ukraine? What I read are that girls from eastern Europe are generally well educated, have a strong sense of family values, aren't drunks/druggies (party girls), and do not entertain the opinion that men are here to serve them but rather they are looking for a partner in life. Is my information accurate? Thats enough for now, from answers those questions I can get a feel for what to ask next. Thanks again. stevc Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/18/2012 9:23:13 AM   expierance is a great teacher, marriage agencys. have lost meaning of word marraige. many women use agencies to suppliment income. just do lots of homework read. is lots in these forums look for a country that hasnt turned marriage into a revenue for country. I tryed Ukraine didn't work for me along with 99% of every one else who has tried. I then tried Russia met a woman who is greatest woman on earth, no marriage agencys involved. Does not matter you will do what you will do. successful relations are made from the other side of world just not very many from Ukraine. Ukriane has and is most known for marriage agencies. Also has the least amount of successes. One has to ask why Max77bo Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/18/2012 12:42:04 PM   Hi oustabout, I'm new from the forum :) but is 1 year that I'm rounding almost all the dating website checking them and taking opinion over them. So ...where is the scam in agency...mainly it works like this...the most of the girl there are real BUT not always are really looking for an housband! Let me explaine...I'm looking for a wife and I AM SINGLE...a lot of girl in the marriage agency have their boyfriend but maybe they're looking for more (rich man? foreign man? whatever)so many girls are there...wasting your money on letters but maybe they aren't really interested. This is the little scam, in my opinion! Other girl they do not like you at all...but they keep to be nice, maybe telling you they have problem paying bills or that their family have problems so they start to ask little money to fix this things...but they will never marry you, kiss you, sex with you ... whatever! Other are just 100% fake girl (this doesn't happend a lot in biggest website) with fake photo, maybe they aren't even from east Europe (seems a lot are from Nigeria or that kind of place). My advice...NEVER send money! NEVER say you are rich, if you are, and NEVER put the relationship on a material status (I know men that are writing to Ukrainian girls asking things like "DO NOT YOU LIKE MY CAR?"...well, if you start a relationship this way, of course the girl wants your car and not you). DO NOT wait years to ask for personal phone, email and so on...if a girl likes you she will not wait months on giving you personal detail...they usually give phone number to man that meet the first time in a club if she likes him (often they also kiss, sex and more first time so...what's the problem on giving you phone number if she likes you? Bad english? well...shall not be a problem...if she'll marry you she'll have bad english too so). I'm doing a post speaking about marriage agency, check it out I have a really good marriage agency (sadly too little) to suggest! oustabout Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2012 5:50:40 AM   Hi, and thanks for the replies. I will be in Eastern Europe in September anyway, so no, the letter writing will not go on for an extended period of time. I couldn't do that anyway, I am very much a face to face person, it is how I prefer to interact when communicating on any serious matter. I am regularly asked, when I chose to drive two or three hours to speak to someone concerning something of importance, "why don't you call them and save the trip?" I just prefer to do things in person... If I cannot obtain her email/skype addy withing a couple of weeks, I will be done writing to her at all... anyone who is truly interested and hasn't anything to hide should be forthcoming with such simple information within that time-period. I refuse to utilize Yahoo; Skype can do anything Yahoo can do, and is, in my opinion, more legitimate. My point here is, no one will be profiting from my communication with a girl after a short period of time, so she will not be wasting my money on letters because our communication will be free. I am going through an agency to try to avoid the freelance scammers, and the agency certainly deserves some revenue for providing the service: However, I have read posts relating expendures of 4K, 6K, 50K... I will spend zero thousands. Yes the agency deserves a profit, but a reasonable profit, and they earn money from other means than fees paid to read/send letters; my mere presence on the site generates income for them, in the form of traffic flow to report to advertisers (and every site I have seen hosts advertisements). The site I am currently using, and I will ask other's opinions of it in a bit, insists on a minimum correspondence of five letters exchanged before providing the girls personal contact information, and there is an 80 dollar fee for the personal info. Letters are three dollars each... so doing the math that is a 95 dollar US fee to begin communicating independently of the site. That is fair I think: I likely would not have found the girl were it not for the agency listing; and $53 average per customer represents a top notch organization where generating revenue is concerned, so a $95 APC is not too shabby. Should I then assume if the communication continues after there are no agency kickbacks to be made, and there are not requests for money otherwise, she is sincere? I will not send money to anyone, for any reason- this because I seek to meet on equal terms. Or to explain it another way, I wish to be cared for not because I am needed, but rather to be cared for and then needed, said "need" arising from the feelings of attachment which naturally grow from love. I am not a braggart, either here or abroad, so beyond what she can suspect or hypothesize from my plans and willingness to come there to meet her and stay for a time while we get to know each other in person, she will have no insight into my financial standing or affairs. The site I am utilizing is http://www.mypartnerforever.net The only negative comment I could find concerning them, from a Google search, was an accusation that the site managers are racist - because minority Americans are not represented in promotional photos for the site - which does not concern me. Any feedback that website/agency? Thanks again guys for your input. stevc Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2012 9:35:00 AM   In Kiev many people speek english. is lots of scammers but at least you will understand more on your own. Farther south you go you should have a interpreter with you you can trust. with out this you are basicaly dinner for wolves. remember average income for a person in Ukraine is about 250 to 400 US dollars a month 400 would be well paying so when prices start to rise you can be pretty sure only interest in you is what is in your pocket. and they will smile tell you how glad they are to be with you give you kisses and then when they have what they want the woman will say paka paka which means bye bye. There is lots of women that do not belong to marriage agencies. last year my interpreter told me you will have a better chance with a chance meeting as apossed to mariage agency dates. The woman I am with now is a chance meeting. I am very lucky I have met her. in 10 mths we have known each other she has never asked for 1 cent from me. you find one like this. you are on your way. dont be suprised when a women there wants expencive gifts. All I can say is forget her move on to next. kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2012 10:11:43 PM   have only read a bit of the first post,,, to busy,, but will put my 2 cents in quickly.. the scam begins when you give your credit card over to any agency,, its that simple, then theres a long list of many directions with your credit card or other means in making a certain few very happy over theres or in the usa. as your idea of a girl women, really a girl is a girl, a woman is just another women no matter where shes from. they have the same whims moans or caring factors we all get pulled into. i dont get how people think they are actually different? you will find more self proclaimed princesses in ukraine then the states so dont go believing all the tripe about over there, theres just more girls available that are pretty to very pretty(its that simple). also these girls over there are not as easy to live with as most seem to think. a whole lot of patience and self control is needed to deal with them from their english problems to their difference of a upbringing and how things are done outside of their world. then we get back to the younger generation there(under 30),,,, well welcome to princess-vile and give me give me. start in ukraine for a insight but dont finish there, places in russia are far more backward in the introduction to the west so is a far better place to find someone without the give me influences.. but its firstly about getting the necessarily insight to the place, fastest place to that is ukraine. kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/20/2012 7:22:40 AM   have now read the postings, was making more wheat beer for the russian half.. no they dont drink,,,,,, and to think their eyes watched my intake over theres intently,,, when and where and how much.. still makes me laugh thinking about such, strange creatures. Oustabout,, you have a pretty good head on your direction i think.. my personal feeling with agencys, use at your own peril.. i wouldnt, and would only as a last resort. the business is a multi million if not billion dollar scam flat centered around Ukraine mostly and a few other third word country's. different morals i guess may have something else to do with it. you will meet better going in different directions, but hey its a good insight to that world and the strange meat market it exploits on your first visit.. as you say they do deserve a reasonable profit, but i think its outrages rates for a hit and miss do f3ck all business. in my mind its really pure exploitation corruption and greed with a network of avenues on the take for the most stupid. what i mean by stupid is people spending before they experience the product or dont understand whats actually happening. ukraine has simply been exploited by a greedy few in a awesome sex wife scam in its self for years. and yet it has very few girls around the world married,,, more russians by far. the whole commodity thing they advertise is pure gold,, sex tits whatever to a wanting male. with other smaller individual scammers capitalizing on their networks to that wider world. sadly the commodity there isn't wives but it is a off take to what you are looking for. the huge amounts of children baby's left in backward orphanages by these wonderful thoughtful lovely girls we hear about is appalling. theres close to a million between russia and ukraine which are sold for around 50,000us to the West or Europe, we have many here. i really wonder how many of these girls are happily so called married to some westerner with children hidden in these sick places or maybe living a few thou km's up the road from her new life?? these people are very different to what you think, their ideas are quite different, not all but dont go thinking they are better then whats around you already. sure there are some amazing people there but its a huge mix. worrying about been scammed is only half if not a small fraction of the dramas you may confront if you make that wrong decision. the agency thing is really not what it seems when you are sitting in another country period looking at these lusty legs and tight asses. for an example,, do the tour through ukraine and see how many people laugh at you from using them, its not a good look for any man seriously. sadly we all get pulled into it in most beginnings of our venture there. when over there ask your new found friends you are searching the agency's for a bit of tasty something and watch the reactions. they can work but i guess it depends if you really want them to. its just bugger that so many good people seem to get pulled into it, there really is no need for them. these agencys are really playing a pure exploitation game,, its that simple.. but hey, theres close to 20 million more girls there and the number is growing.. stevc Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/20/2012 7:24:47 PM   Hello Kiwinorth just read your posts, not much can be added to that is simple honest fact hope you and Russian half are doing fine. I am quite pleased with the way events are working for me and mine. I have found a good one kiwinorth, this I have know doubt. She wants to be with me for me. Is truly a great great feeling. being with her brings true life, she truly makes my day. Was concerned about Russia I like every one else thought Ukraine way to go. Now know without a doubt it is not. All I can Oustabout you got some good advice here, you will do what you think is best. Good hunting, Hope never have to say told you so. Kiwinorth one day I am going to go fishing, your side of world, So save one of them beers, kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/21/2012 9:40:37 AM   hey Steve, you are most welcome here anytime. i should have my visitors cabin finished soon or usable for the own space thing for all so imposing you are not.. good for you, hope shes what you feel.. yeah ukraine is the most strangest scenario, you would think these girls are world wide in the hundreds and thousands,,, and i only know of two here personaly(i do know theres more) but comparing to russians, well they are uncountable. yes have only just started brewing again, been a loong time, how the ingredients have improved. she's not moaning on the experiments, actually shes out to it on the coach from it) i'm trying to crack her (fav) "hoegaarden" wheat beer with some clone recipes, it aren't that bad actually, so wet days are brewing days. trouble is we or she is drinking more then ever between her salady girly meals, so it hits her.. fishing's been horrible, seas have been very rough,, but hey her landscaping of my house gardens are totally awesome for it to give my future beehives more flowers,,,, for honey mead,,,, hmmmmmm maybe not.. actually sold my boat the other day, only had that one less then a year,, thing was to dam dangerous for getting through the surf, i see why the builder hesitated on a particular question now(was a alloy hull based on the thundercat infalables. my world is beach launching only,, it cavitated in white water and very disturbed water. bloody scary when some meter-age is still coming at ya breaking with its brothers and sisters in toe and you are all but stopped revving to get the prop to bite,, anyway back to walking with a few less lives but alive with all my gear still.. maybe thats what sent her to drink/,. stevc Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/21/2012 10:04:23 PM   Sounds like your enjoying life, Soon I get to be with my lady again. Is great she speeks english solves the human factor problem. If she does not understand somthing I can explain. We skype everyday. Am glad I met her. Relationship grows. Is a lot of fun. two people no agency, what a concept. Glad I decided Russia. Ukraine you have seem to said it all again. I learned a great lesson in Ukraine, seems to be working. She has always been honest and straight forward. And heres a concept she likes me for me. Your boating expierance sounds like white water rafting, sept you cant see shore line. how many beers to settle nerves after trip. Did you recomend to buyer, hope you like a beer or to after fishing. It nice to here a welcome. Never know maybe trip be with my lady, she likes fishing, showed hunting photos to her father, said she will never starve. Haven't had opertunity to find out yet but she says she is crack shot. Anyway before I go to far with this we will see what next meeting brings, not to worried should be good. kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/23/2012 6:20:47 AM   even with her feely good english here my girl struggles a bit, whats even worse shes picking up on my bad english and slang which doesn't help when shes speaking to others. good shot,, hey thats rather cool,, i have been thinking of buying her's a AK47 actually. her's and her mum went through my safe last xmas pulling out assault rifles with there banana and drum mags for photo sessions in camo's,, laugh, thank goodness for digital.. the old days police asked photo shops for copy's of such photos. drink:) never before but almost always after, usually its a 75 km drive back down the beach, so hey,,. boating or sometimes fishing on my west coast is just dangerous, isolated,, so a good head is needed. our east coast is our mellow side, but less seafood and fish. i can pick from both sides, but top of "Ninety Mile Beach" to Cape Reinga is my favorite, i live at the bottom of Ninety Mile beach, near Ahipara. hey i am no car salesmen,, or any salesmen, my first four buyers were west coasters like me thinking as i did about that particular design, they are now buying different. a east coaster finally bought it, i only recommend it for east. i often found the nerves were over ridden with adrenalin and the beer might as well have been water') sometimes even driving up the beach will the boat watching the surf, you seem to go into adrenalin mode, then you finally make the call and say no its to big, cross over to east coast or home, the rest of the day you are wired from just the thought of that build up,, that beach surf.. oustabout Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/23/2012 7:37:27 PM   Ok, I have figured it out: There is no scam to the site I mentioned, they don't need to scam, they just applied a bit of psychology to the matter. It is so simple; we are guys, show us pictures of a thousand, and we are gonna want to write to a hundred of them... omg, it is genius! I wonder if it took the website owners as long to think of it as it took me to... So yea, I have been writing three of them, so at this point I have about 50 bucks into it, which is nothing, but you can see where it could get out of hand quickly should one not practice restraint. One statement in particular made by kiwinorth stuck with me: "what i mean by stupid is people spending before they experience the product". That is so true. by the time you get to the point of having her personal information, and no longer paying the website to communicate with her, you have sunk a Benjamin or better into an effort which has zero guarantee of any yield whatsoever... I mean you haven't even heard her voice yet at that point. I have questions... So, you guys get there, and just meet girls on the street??? I have traveled a bit, and universally, be in North Africa or South America, the girls viewed me as a temporary occurrence. This even though when i go somewhere I typically stay at least a month so I can really get a feel for the place... so they had the opportunity to see me around day after day for a period of time, but that did not alter their mindset. Yea, it is easy enough to meet miss right now, but that is not what I am looking for this time. So "break it down like a fraction for me", lol... how does it work? As I have already said, I much prefer to do things face to face anyway, but how do I get them to take me seriously, given that in my experience their preconception is that I am temporary? Thanks again! zarkey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/23/2012 8:38:40 PM   Why do you guys keep thinking? Jesus Christ. if you act like this in front of them, they will think you're weird. Find a woman on this site. Talk to her. Go meet her, and marry here. Shutup and stop thinking zarkey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/23/2012 9:08:37 PM   Oustabout, do NOT approach women on the street. Most real girls will tell you to goto hell. It happend when I was at Eurocup. A forienger from America was trying to talk to these 2 girls, they kept walking. Continue on your dating website. Just keep talking, and ask when do you want to meet. Please, stop thinking too much. People are people and not everyone thinks of themselves as a selfish princess. Most people here meet scammers anyways because they don't know any better stevc Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/24/2012 1:53:34 PM   oustabout I do not mean aproach on street literaly. I mean chance meeting in a cafe a mall things like that. Was told to me by my freind and interpreter First time I went to Ukraine. Is much better succes rate. Marriage agency is big bussiness there. 50 bucks in letters is not much. take time do research look into having your own interpretor. there are american based companys that will recommend bonded interpreters these interpreters live in Ukraine, They are not overly expensive will save you huge money. know best places to look. understand country and people. And will keep you out of trouble. If you happen to make a wrong turn. And they will know if your true love is just a agency heavy hitter. You will know when the woman starts hinting for expencive gifts. kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/24/2012 6:53:27 PM   zarky? have you been over there my friend, going on evening its crazy how girls gather in the different squares around ukraine and specially russia, russia is unbelievable in some citys,, its so odd its unreal nor is it normal for western countrys but it is very much that world. by the way, no girl carried on walking for me, actually i couldnt believe they gave me so much time, and were always polite in saying work i have to go after some time it i stopped her on some mission. you are right in some ways, it is about reading people yeah. oustabout, there three ways you can do this. agencys, writing or walking into one social networks and dating sites, writing again or on the ground, either by working or travel there stevc Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/25/2012 9:27:00 PM   Kiwinorth you know some of my posts from forum I started last year ended up on a oddessa forum. think you thought operaters at agencys wrote into these. Ever wonder if some of these operaters write to this forum under assumed names. I have seen a few posts from some agencys such as kearsongirls the owner Kevin seems repuatable enough. does not hide I think I have seen one or two more that will comnent under they're agency name. After I seen inserts from my forum written in russian on a forum I have never subscribed to. And reading a few comments on this one I wonder. You have been writing to this forum for awhile, whats your thoughts. They gona call me a woodpecker again ( think if russian to english translator worked to all words, think woman thought I was a real peckerhead) lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/25/2012 10:43:46 PM   MS good post!! Everyone should read it! oustabout Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/26/2012 1:46:59 AM   Geez, even that article is a contradiction (of itself). I have just realized this forum is sponsored by a dating site... Are there success stories posted, by regular forum contributors, whose geneses are this site? zarkey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/26/2012 7:57:55 AM   Kiwinorth. My girlfriend is in Kiev. I am getting married to her. I am friends with her friends and others. I am going back to Kiev in September. Again, people here are thinking too much, which is due to western society thinking. Doesn't mix with Ukrainian women well.. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > dating sites
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