Hey ya'll, its been a very long time since I have been on this forum,..a few years at least. I am still friends with the same Russian girl, going on six years. We tried a few times to get romantic but distance and goals never matched. We both been in and out of relationships and always remained friends through it all. We are still not dating but after a long friendship are discussing it, she does not want to America but will, but I on the other hand would not mind moving to St. Petes. I've lived overseas half my life and am a versatile guy.
How difficult is it to get married in Russia and become permanent? She has a good job, loads of education and while I can not speak Russian I can afford a language school while I become adjusted. Does anyone know of any success stories of going "the other way" ?
Wow, it looks like I was last on here 8 years ago. Different story though and it looks like I was the "Russell Hantz" of this forum. Don't know if apologies are required but hopefully we can start on a new note.
What you have in mind isn't common, but it certainly does happen. A couple of questions, if you don't mind...
How much time (altogether) have you spent in Russia (or other FSU countries) so far?
Are you clear about the weather and daylight patterns in Peterburg throughout the year?
I don't have any details on permanent residency, but apparently it can be a big hassle. A few years ago on a Russian travel forum, a man was posting that even though he had married a Russian woman AND owned real estate in Russia, he was having serious difficulties getting permanent resident status. You might want to consult a migration attorney in the Russian Federation.
If you don't have residency, and you don't have a work visa (which I believe is also difficult to get), then you are stuck with getting a succession of 90-day business visas, having to leave Russia for at least a week or so each time in order to get the next visa.
I am acquainted with a Brit who has lived in Russia for about 20 years now. He only recently married his girlfriend of many years. I haven't talked with him since the marriage, but as far as I know, he doesn't do the "90 day run" trips anymore. It used to be you could get a new visa in Finland in just a day or two, but they stopped allowing that -- I think that's what prompted him to finally marry :)
Durak,,, are you referring to St. Petersburg’s “White Nights” as they call it?? It is like being in Alaska during the summer time,,, it doesn’t get any darker than dusk! The flip side really sucks though!
I had been in Circle, Alaska. Mid June,,, not easy to sleep!
St Petersburg is the largest city, with over a million people to be that far north. I think it is north of the artic circle,,, but I’m not sure.
Peterburg is far below the arctic circle, so they enjoy about 4 hours of "daylight" in late December! But it is far north of all of the major cities of Canada. It's also farther north than the Scottish highland towns of Aberdeen and Inverness; Juneau, Alaska; and Stockholm, Sweden. Its latitude matches that of Oslo, Norway.
As you say, it is by far the most populous of far northern cities, with almost 5 million residents. It is the only city in the world farther north than Moscow (about 4 1/2 degrees south from Peterburg) with a population much exceeding 1 million.
Although winter is usually not quite as cold as you might expect so far north, five months of the year have AVERAGE lows below freezing, and the cold of winter is often accompanied by high winds. What's even more difficult for many residents is that when the weather isn't freezing, it's usually chilly, rainy and blustery -- this is typical weather for most of the year. I don't think I've met any woman there who doesn't dream of living someplace warm and sunny.
I have never been to Eastern Europe, but have spent few weeks in Jordan in a ramshack hut where the bathroom consists of a hole in the floor and a garden hose, and not much different when I stayed in Bahrain. I am not a person to need much to be confortable, as long as I have food and toilet paper I am more or less content. Getting used to the culture though may be another matter I am sure, even in Middle Eastern countries most people are very friendly with lots of smiles and hospitality, not so much in Russia from what I have been reading. As for the cold weather I lived and worked in North Dakota in the oil field, working hours on end in -20 to -30 F weather blizzard or shine :) and except for wet cold feet at times I love it.
If it is to much of a hassle she said she is willing to move to the States or pretty much anywhere in the world for that matter if it means being with someone she truly cares about, I just see how close she is with her family especially her mom and do not want her to be unhappy with home sickness, she seems to think it will be a walk in the park for me to move there which I do not know where she gets that impression but she seems to accomplish some of most amazing things sometimes. She went to an English school to improve her language skills for me and ended up getting an all expense paid scholarship to get her Masters in Sweden along with a couple grand a month for spending cash, sadly we got in a huge fight and ended up calling it quits when she was over there, but through it all managed to stay friends. When we meet we get along so well and so comfortable around each other, except for the jealousy issues that sprout up now and again, but usually that is just an episode of extreme quietness on her part and we talk it through and it over and done with.
Do you guys know of Westerner living over there right now? Did they have many problems getting adjusted and getting the paper work required to marry and become legal residents. I heard the oil industry is picking up pretty big there and possible once I'm settled and speaking the language can find work fracing or on a rig.
I see the winters should be no problem for you, but it is more the culture I was thinking of.
Probably the best thing would be for you to visit for a while. You can get a 90-day business visa (the "business" part is often skimmed over) and stay continuously for up to 90 days. Only this will give you the flavor of life Over There.
If you decided to stay in Russia, here is the procedure (warning: my knowledge is VERY sketchy, so confirm everything!)
1. Get married.
2. Apply for temporary residency. It's quite possible that you are required be OUTSIDE of Russia to do so, preferably in the country that issued your passport.
3. Once you have temporary residency, you can apply for an exit visa (necessary to leave Russia, and also allowing re-entry), and a work permit. The work permit will be good for one city, and one profession.
4. After one year, you can apply for permanent residency.
Anyway, I'm talking through my hat: check out information for expatriates, such as expat.ru, to get better information.
Thanks man, I have found a couple expat websites today with interesting tid-bits of information. It does look like a pain to get residency in Russia but not impossible,...but I'm definitely visiting first, test the waters and get a taste of what I'm dealing with and practice being Russian, I smile to much anyway.
Durak is basically correct. I will note also since you have fracking experience and its still basically a "new" technology in Russia you may find it a bit easier especially if you find a recruiter in Russia. People with hi tech oil/gas skills are in demand right now.
The culture however may be a shock. People dont smile or greet you like in Western countries. Most are pretty selfish as in they wont show common western courtesies such as holding open a door or giving up a seat on the metro for women or elderly(they are generally pleasantly shocked when I do it)or very charitable.
As Durak said, I would visit long term like 90 days and see what you think. I like living a month or 2 at a time in Ukraine perfectly fine and have adjusted quite well to the difference in lifestyle and culture although St Petersburg is different.(I studied Russian nuke tech at LNPP1 and have visited the LNPP2 site often)
How your relationship works out will be a key factor as well if she is supportive of helping you learn the language and such. Being there makes learning faster. good luck to you.
I didnt think anyone here would know where it is!
Its supposedly a restricted place but they only check the main road coming into town and leave the train
and side roads alone. thats where the "big" money is made. a person can make up to $30k per year there,lol.
I got to enjoy the fun of disassembling nuclear warheads in the 90s under Nunn-Lugar. There is the world's largest re-processing plant not very far from there and thats where we sent warheads on trains after removing them from the missiles. Now I work as a consultant on powerplant safety systems which is a new idea for Russians and Ukrainians.
I designed the venting systems retrofitted on the reactor vessels at several plants such as Yuzhnoukrainsk NPP for one, which if they had at Fukushima, would not have exploded.
Im one of those wierdos who has photographed Pripyat from 1986-present day
looked back in forum history and saw a few of your threads....
Just wondering why you think this forum is as bad now as it was 8 years ago? Just look at your threads and how they were answered!!! Now it is purely dysfunctional....
You sounded cocky before....with your russian sex pot girls coming to US for your pleasure..hmmmm...so russian gilrs don't like it doggie style???
Still haven't been to FSU yet? After at 8 years?
If a russian girl is not interested in being in US( just like a girl from 8 years ago),
it would not bode well for you!!
I know some guys living in Moscow for some time now.....if that is direction you are interested.
Back then I dated a Russian girl, and being young fell madly in love with her, she had to go back to Russia being she was here on a college summer program to work. Then the next summer she came back to a different state and wanted and found someone there, she contacted me and wanted to be friends. A year later they broke up and she wanted to be with me and move in with me, my feelings trumped my brain and I agreed. After a few months she was getting very cross and cruel when I wanted some time to date and was not ready to get married, maybe after 6 months a year yes, but not right now. I was in the Navy and went out to sea a lot,..the rest explains itself what happened. I was young, broken hearted, and very angry with the experience.
It also kinda a funny thing with the girl I am talking to now, I met her when I was actually with that ex. She was dating a marine at the time and we became friends after I noticed a picture attending a concert on the beach that I also attended and even though we both broke up, and got into other relationships we were just friends. We met a few times when I would go on vacation to visit friends in Ireland I would take a week to meet here somewhere and we would travel around a European country by train. It was during these trips that feelings started to emerge but it was slow in the making. She is willing to move to the U.S. or anywhere in the world for that matter if it came to being with someone she loved, the times she said she didnt want to come here was during conversations of how much hours Americans work and how little vacation we get, but I believe they were just light hearted comments. Whether we get together or not we will always be friends, I care for her enough to have her in my life and nothing she can do to change that, and the trust is high enough to know nothing could happen to change that. She is coming to my home in January for 3 weeks and we will see how things go, but as friends and if it does not grow to something more no hard feelings.
First thing,, I’m not your anything. Not your cupcake and I’m not little!
Negative?? Well, it’s not positive. It was a Russian woman who said; they are like a cat,,, not me! I thought she ought to know herself and her fellow women?!! Are you calling her a liar???
Trying to get a rise out of people??? No,, I’m trying to wake them up!!!! These women can act so well, and they will convince a guy 100% that they have a real relationship. It really only happens 1% of the time!!
Most guys shouldn’t bother going over there, but I think everyone should make up their own mind. I don’t want to be the one who stops a guy from going, I just want to open their eyes before they arrive!!
You’re the one who wants to move to St. Petersburg,,, but you haven’t been to the FSU yet?? Am I correct?? You really need to spend some time over there before you even consider moving!!!!!
It’s a different world over there!!
P.S. Did anyone notice how,,,,(they) misspelled my name??? Remember who wrote like that before???