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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > How to find the right women? Author Post paulx Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/6/2012 11:06:06 PM   My thread is on how to find the right women for yourself and create risk management strategies so as to avoid fraud by the agencies, tours or the girls themselves. So far I found that fiance.com was the best out here , straight fees so there is no scam of buying credits and I give kudos to them for that. I am a business person here in California and my intention is simple - to find a nice girl with a great personality preferably in eastern Europe for marriage and help all other men to do the same who are interested in the same objective . I want to be upfront that if any men don't have serious intention to marry they should stay out of this discussion. I want the discussion to revolve around the factors/variables mentioned below -Finding the right sources to meet the girls such as online dating sites (fiance.com), tours or local reps in these countries -Having access to right attorneys so that we can do the fiancé visas, minimize fraud and resolve other complicated issues if need be. -How to protect yourself from fraud where the women gets a VAWA petition and green card by filing fraud case of abuse against the man. -Having access to right family law attorney to protect assets and do pre nuptials so in case of fraud so you don't have any downside -Have a mastermind group to have biweekly or monthly conference calls -Having access to your own interpreters in these countries rather than the girls using their interpreter -Having access to private detectives in such countries in case of major red flags. -Have better systems in place so we can avoid wasting 50 to 100k finding these girls. -Having qualifying criteria so you can filter the scammer girls for the real ones -Having right resources to file complains about these agencies in US and Uk when such a fraud happens so we can stop this fraud -Help the girls who finally comes to US, UK to adapt by aiding her with language barriers, cultural barriers by having local group of women immigrants to help them -Finally have annual get together and family reunions of people who are married This is a big project. This is only possible if each person interested is willing to create value by contributing in some form. Every small contribution counts .It will give me lot more joy if instead of focusing just on myself, we all got together and achieved success in finding the right women. I read part of the forum and I see some experienced guys out her who have had success and married good women. I am not here to listen to negativity but instead use the positive experiences and build on them and minimize any risk there by increasing the probability of success. I will sincerely appreciate these men who have had a success to give their input and also people who failed to give their input so we can build a strong foundation for the success of this project. Why should you join this - There are lot of variables required to find the right girl and make your marriage succeed. Even if a single variable is missing it can cause the whole process to fail. One person can't do it all so its better to use collective wisdom to make it happen. If you are reading this post please contribute in this forum to any of the above factors/variables mentioned above. I will also encourage the moderators to join and let me know if I am breaking any rules of this forum. Please bookmark and visit this page regularly to read the postings and updates. Tom Shea Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2012 10:57:52 PM   It's really pretty simple on paper. Write letters, spend time on the ground. Look for flags and then the rest is luck, and insuring your down side if shes a good scammer. Jasmin Frank Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/12/2012 1:58:15 PM   Hello friends, Be a man that women want to be with. If you want to attract the right woman, you have to be the type of man that women will be attracted to. Be honest and trustworthy. A woman must be able to trust you to keep your word on all occasions. Thanks for sharing Jasmin Frank paulx Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/15/2012 11:54:38 AM   Thanks Jasmin and Tom for your comments. Jasmin I feel your statement is true but also idealistic. If what you said was true then all good women and men will be happy and married to right partners. I feel that every human is different with different wants and needs. I would rather prefer to be just be myself and find woman who appreciates me for who I am and has acceptance for all my qualities , the good, the bad and the ugly. No one is perfect and no one can be perfect. I recently watched some interesting videos by Tony Bochene who married a Philipino, Russian and is now engaged to Latin American. His videos on youtube are good and have good pointers including the mistakes he made. I like his authenticity.I hope you all enjoy it. https://www.youtube.com/user/tonybochene jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/22/2012 1:33:55 PM   How to find the right girl? You have to meet her face to face. I have met three (maybe four) of the most incredible women ever - over eight years. And I met every one of them face to face during a Romance Social. I never wrote a single letter to any of them. And I have never been scammed (well nothing serious anyway). Maybe I am just good at face-to-face meetings. Maybe I have a six sense. Or maybe I am just following pattern built into us through millions of years. (None of our ancestors met their prospective mates by writing letters). My only problem is that I tend to go too young. Its hard to remember when you are in the candy store that you should be eating health-food. And at the end of the day I end up with an incredible woman, but not necessarily a woamn I can grow old(er) with. But I don't regret a minute of it. Australia Man Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/22/2012 3:20:35 PM   very interesting but most importantly did she do it doggy style? and did she do it during or after the Romance Socials? Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/22/2012 8:52:21 PM   Nothing wrong with that jetmba, mine is 21. Ive had some really good "short term" relationships with girls less than half my age and also dont regret a single minute of it. Im not hung up on finding a girl nor am I desperate like many here. The right one will come along but until then I will live life to the fullest and the girls that come my way will also be better for the experience. bowhunter Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/22/2012 11:08:04 PM   I can assure you the visa is the easy part except for the waiting. They can be done quite easy in most cases, try visa journey web site. as far as meeting and finding what you are looking for starts with making sure you know exactly what you want in a perspective mate. you can weed out the scammers quickly after a little help from some of the seasoned members. you can expect this thread to turn into a bunch of bickering soon but you can send me a Pm and I will do what I can. I also own easyukraine and it has a few helpful tips in the blog. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/22/2012 11:31:23 PM   Jetmba,,,,, how many women did you need to meet, to find 3 or 4 great ones?? How many did you have a significant date or meeting with?? jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/23/2012 5:41:34 AM   "you can expect this thread to turn into a bunch of bickering soon " Smile. I do recall this, in this forum. My approach is basic. I prefer an English speaker. The closest I ever came to getting involved with a non-English speaker was in April when I met a beautiful Russian-only speaker in Lugansk. Somehow while sitting next to each other by using expression, props, and other things, we could communicate pretty well and I thought we had possibiliies. But when I got back to the US and I spent a half hour with her on the telephone as she tried to explain to me that she broke her shoe in the rain (thats how log it seemed to take to communicate the idea) I went back to English speakers and we have done pretty well. I also prefer women with no children or previous marriages - and thats about it. I don't have a giant laundry list of things i am looking for. If we have chemistry between us, eye contact and a gut feeling (if she INSISTS on feeling my gut - just kidding), anything else can be worked out. paulx Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/23/2012 3:01:18 PM   Thanks bowhutner for your input and offer to PM and help. I appreciate that. Thanks jetmba for your input. Good points. Congrats that you were able to meet few incredible women. I think personal meeting is the best as you can feel the person better and also your intuition can guide you. I would like you to share your views on two things you mentioned. Firstly, When you say you go too young, I assume the age difference is more than 20 plus years ( correct me if I am wrong). Based on your perspective, what are the pros and cons of living everyday life with such a young women. It will also be good to know that why these young women are so comfortable going with older men . I am trying to understand if this is social or economic trend. Secondly, you say they are incredible. So what makes them incredible ? If you don't mind can you put a bit of emphasis on values, intelligence, feminity, responsibility or anything else that you feel is noticeable in these women . Are these women from Ukraine or Russia and what are the differences if you noticed between the two. Thirdly, how did you meet these girls face to face? Did you go there by yourself or did you go there on one of the tours. If you went by yourself how did you arrange to meet these girls? jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/25/2012 7:42:26 AM   A lot of men try to get as many girls phone numbers as possible. Some of the friends I met have gathered 15 or 20. Then they schedule dates, as many as four in one day to get to know the women. I don't do that. I get a maximum of 4 phone numbers per Romance Social - and only one or two of the girls am I really likely to call or date. I look for eye contact and sincerity. I look for a shy smile at just the right time (depending on what I said). I look for a girl who really seems to like me and who's expression hinge on our interaction as opposed to whats going around her. And when I dance with her - how much attention does she pay to me vs. looking at herself in the mirror, or just dancing for herself because she is bored. I am only successful REALLY finding someone INCREDIBLE, with every four Romance Social functions. But I can find someone worth spending time with one out of two times. In answer to paulx - I always go on Romance Tours when I want to meet someone new. I only pay for the Socials. I book my own travel. If used correctly - nothing gives you more opportunity than a Romance Social - and AFA is the ONLY one to consider (Anastasia stinks). jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/25/2012 7:50:31 AM   Drum roll..... Guys: Two of the incredible women I have met and had relationships with since 2003 lasting more than two years - have been 23 years younger than I have been. THAT in my book is acceptable. Even marriable. This woman is 21 and I am 55. Thats a 34 year age difference. And that is HUGE even by my exceptional standards. But she and I are a perfect match in every other way. I dare say I have never met anyone who matches every aspect of my personality in my life as she does. And she said the same thing to me (actually she said if first). The ONLY problem we have is that age difference. But I certainly won't stop seeing her just for that. paulx Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/25/2012 11:08:50 AM   Jetmba thanks for your input. I like what you said about studying the body language. intuition plays a critical role there. Can you please tell us more about these social romance functions, how they work and cost and best way to go around using them, etc When you go to these functions, how do you narrow down to one or two girls from the rest. You already mentioned some great points but please add anything else that you will like to add.. thanks Anyone else can join in the discussion and share your wisdom jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/25/2012 2:27:04 PM   Paulx = use the loveme.com website to find Romance Socials scheduled for next year. How to narrow it down - you have to actually talk to the girls and not be afraid to get up and leave abruptly if you know the one for you is not at a particular table. Then its just a matte of planning your time well. As a contingency plan I use lovefoto.ru and fiance.com when I am in Ukraine if I don't meet anyone special at a Romance Social. As I mentioned, one time out of two, I don't meet anyone who I even want to really spend time with at each Social function. But since I typically go to three Romance Social functions per trip the odds are only 12.5% (.50 x .50 x.50) that I won't at least meet SOMEBODY special enough to want to be with. paulx Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/26/2012 11:18:33 AM   Thanks Jet for Romance Socials Info. My question is that how many girls you meet on each tour and how mcuh time you get to spend with them before you can chose to pursue one. How many of them are English speakers? As you have gone on few tours now do oyu see any common patterns on the tours that you will like to share. One may feel that relationship may not endure because of age differences. I personally feel age is a more of a psychological factor and not the most critical critical factor. I think more critical factor is what bonds your women with you. Is it the bond of love, sex, hobbies, etc. Once you find those bonding traits you just have to work on making the bond stronger. I say that because when the relationship goes through a storm those bonds are tested and if they are weak the relationship will fall apart. Age dosen't bond a relationship but love certainly does. paulx Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/26/2012 4:03:42 PM   Jet and Bowhunter. I sent you a PM. I hope you got it. Reply when you get a moment. thanks paulx Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/26/2012 10:00:17 PM   I would want all of your perspective from people who have married or dated girls form Ukraine who were just basic English speakers. How did you deal with it. How long did it take them to learn English where they could convene with you. Did you pay for them to learn English in Ukraine or did you wait for them to come to US. What do you advice if one dates someone who is basic or intermediate in English. I will appreciate your reply. Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/27/2012 12:40:25 AM   lets be honest here. If you are 40 year old guy in great shape its not unreasonable to find 20 something willing to pursue relationship with you. That, unfortunately isnt the rule. Many of the "western" guys Ive met in Ukraine are NOT attractive and the ONLY reason a girl would be with them is strictly for the green card. I certainly dont blame the girls either any more than I blame the Mexicans streaming across the southern US border. Ive met more than a few fat ugly slobs who thought they hit the lottery not realizing those girls will leave as soon as possible when they get green card. There are many stupid western guys like this. I dont shed a tear for them. paulx Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/27/2012 10:17:46 AM   Rick thanks for sharing your perspective. To add to what you said, even Tony Bochene (link in earlier post) mentions that guys should look themselves in a mirror before they decide what kind of girl they are going after. He also says don't marry a young hottie that your whole neighborhood will be hitting upon. That was kinda funny. From the girls perspective, I understand that they might want to get out of the country as they want a better life and so the desperate ones might marry a fat ugly slob for green card. But here is another perspective. I feel in west the media advertising has screwed the people sense of aesthetics so much that beauty is just considered the outer physical body. Not to offend anyone but that is pure bullshit. I have gone through several hundred profiles of girl in FSU and I am impressed by the fact that they are looking for guys with inner beauty. .that is a common theme. So at times a beautiful hottie will go for a guy who is good from inside rather than just outside. I have spoken to few tour firms and other people and they confirmed my point that an average 20 years old is more mature than any girl here in the America's because she has gone through hardships and those experiences give her maturity. So when i say age doesn't count, I mean its the quality of experiences that count and not the quantity of life that one has lived(age). I am also communicating with professional girls form FSU such as lawyers, doctors and other professionals who are genuinely looking for love. Now they are financially independent and happy and don’t need to leave their country but they are looking for true love. I feel it is something to do with family values in FSU that girl is looking for a guy with whom she can fall in love, have kids and have a family. Scammers are in every country , east, west, north and south. For me, I am trying to learn as much as I can from people like you and others who have the experience in FSU and would want to share their good and bad experiences with me and others in the forum. When I talk to a girl I try to understand what are her values, needs, dreams, etc and what she wants in her life as compared to just looking at my own selfish needs because in real life to make the relationship work you have to align these need and values with each other . Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > How to find the right women?
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