Here is a Skype exchange I just had today, with a girl I met at the flower market in Nikolaev 8 days ago.
She was there to have a photograph made with a bouquet of flowers. She got the photo made and left without the flowers - only the photo which she paid the flower shop 20 hyrinia. (standard practice) This is the photo that will be sent to the man.
Today while we were skyping, she confessed to me most girls at the HRB Nikolaev agency are married - many with children and they work there, getting paid to simply give men a show. here is the text from here as I received it - no editing but you can easily read the meanings. The untranslated Russian text means "not for love"..."the girls work here not for love."
"What did you give me gifts!! ??? girls here work here is not ischyut lubov radota!!!!! the show they play zu They all have a
husband and children here work!! Do not you know it!!" (sic)
Heres a good one....she also told me, that when a man meets a women, (with or without a translator), the girls boyfriend or husband is watching nearby.
Cafe, restaurant, walking, taxi...doesn't matter - he is never far away - walking or driving - following the entire "date". LOL.
Interesting post. It is best to avoid meeting a woman where it is arranged by the agency. My own experience back in 2007 was to buy the adddress of the lady I was corresponding with from the agency . The lady I was corresponding with lived in Lugansk. I located a man called Alexander Cherednichenko (he may still have a site). I paid Alex to deliver flowers to the lady and take photos. Everything went perfectly.Photos,flowers. I met the lady 8 weeks later in Lugansk. If any one is still interested I can put you in contact with reliable alex.
Great post Gary. We need more such posts as they help understand this racket. I have tried few online dating sites ..pay per letter and even straight with monthly fees. Its seems all of them have their issues. In straight pay ones, you will get letters from girls even if there is nothing written in your profile which raises red flags. Its seems as if they are bombarding the guys with the sole intention so that they can upgrade or continue the monthly membership.With pay per letter most of these sites work with local agencies. When you send letter you have no idea who is replying back to you ..is it the agency person, the married girls working for agency or the girl herself. It seems 80% is fake. This crates a big barrier for anyone seriously interested in finding a good girl. The system is rigged.
Most of the agencies are also corrupt and are there to make money. To check the marriage status of the girl , cant you ask her of she is married already and check her passport papers that the agency holds and see form there if she is married or not. I have asked the agencies and told them that i will only pay if they give me address, phone and email . They have obliged. But again one has to be careful as the girl will request you to go through the agency fro translation. Most agencies just want to give you the email but that can be easily faked.
At the end you have to cut of all economic incentive for girls/agencies to scam you. This is the only way to check honesty..which means no to agency translators , no flowers through agency, videos to confirm the girls, home address, cell phone, skype, Vk.com address, etc.
Based on your experience, Gray how will you find if the agency is good or bad?.
What measures can you take to eliminate the bad ones form good ones?
I feel its not possible to go for a week or two to Ukraine and find a girl. As the whole system is rigged, we need to find a better way to find the girls. We need to hire our own person to find the girls for us . I am planning to go next year and set up a complete system with my own local contact , apartment, translator and my own person to find me the girls. If you or anyone else is interested PM me.
Agencies have these women tongue tied.....These girls won't do anything in fear of the agency managers...don't know what they hold over them.....But, just to be safe, I have dozens of screen shots of girls masturbating, totally nude playing with their tits, fingering their pussies, you get the picture......these poor girls have no idea the consequence of their behavior...they've been told, "keep men online as long as you can , and you make more money"...
I guess if I was a real pig, when I go again in April, I could show the girls the screen shot and scam them into some good fucks for a few weeks....threaten to send the photos to the website administrators and a few news outlets....we''l see how I feel in April...HRB's has free video preview now - snap away boys!!!
Make no mistake, the girls are paid to chat..period....Noe of the girls I met at my "girlfriends" agency want to marry some foreigner and leave...they chat for money - plain and simple!
So, take your money, go to Kiev, buy a hot Ukraine hooker for a couple of nights...at least this way, you're getting some pussy for you money.....keep on chatting? You'll be one broke ass man, and these girls???? as Jay Z said...."on to the next on"......
So , hook yourself up - go on "vacation".....Learn some Russian..........enjoy 1 week or 2 for a few grand with no stress from some "pro".
I have a story which is similar to the story told by Gary from Canada,,,, the Lugansk taxi scam with the boyfriend hanging around.
She was supposed to be living in Lugansk while going to college, and never told me in her correspondence about moving back home. When I arrive in Lk, Iím given the choice,,,, pay for her taxi or drive to her hometown each day?? I donít know why staying in her hometown wasnít an option?? I didnít feel like traveling anymore so I paid it. 150USD the first day 200 each night after. A bus leaves every 30 40 minutes for only 6.95!
The driver would sit and wait for her,,, and would watch very intently as we neared the cab and said our goodbyes. Instead of giving us privacy and looking away,,, he would watch very closely. He would drive down the street with her,,, turn around, then drive past to take her home! I saw the look he gave me,,,,, and it was not one of just disapproval! The last night we spent hours in my hotel room,, looking at photos with the interpreter, and my girl wanted to do our goodbyes up in the room,,,, not outside by the taxi?? I said; it was okay,,,, I can go downstairs with you! I gave her a big kiss,, and the taxi driver climbed half way out of the window! Why out of the window Iíll never know,,,, perhaps the door was welded shut or it was broken.
I asked the interpreter about it,,,, and she didnít see a thing??
Before this trip, I knew that the girls would scam for taxi money,,,, but never like this. The big scam is when they claim to live far away,, charge you for the long trip,,,, then get out of the taxi a km away and walk home or take the bus!
I also believe this same girl had another date before me one time. We had the whole day planned,,,, then she arrives 3 hours late,,,, and arrived on foot from the opposite direction,,,, a minute behind the interpreter?? After the date, I asked the interp if she had a date before me,,,,, her face turned red in seconds. It was obvious.
In Kiev I noticed someone watching us a few times,,, but thought it was just seeing an older man with a young girl.
The ONLY way to meet a true non-scammer is in person. If you have any people skills at all - and I will fully admit I am far from the most social person myself either - but I KNOW when somebody is trying to cheat me. I can safely say I have never been taken.
These girls are creative. And they don't make much money. If they can score $300 from you in a single night (a MONTHS PAY) they will try to do it. Hell, in similar circumstance, if I was the girl even I might try to do it. $300 might mean the difference between surviving and not surviving.
But if you look for the signs they are always there.
YANNA1 on HRB'S is great at scamming taxi $$, and, knows the most expensive Kiev restaurants for first AND LAST get-together.....and, we, as men, can choose....if men stop using these sites, everything dies a fast death...websites, agencies, scamming.... girls will have to go back to $200 US / month working at the shop or wherever, and end up marrying the same kind of guy the pre-port to want to escape from.
But entire cities economies feed off this scamming.....Nikolaev as a city is the perfect example of how the entire local economy is fully dependent upon agencies, scamming girls and stupid men. Websites, agencies, taxi's, apt's, cafes, hotels, florists, shops, gift shops - they all exist in Nikolaev ONLY because men CHOOSE to patronize these sites; continuing to spend big $$$ on stupid dreams.
Trust me, I am currently dating (fucking) a hot young girl from one of these agencies - she is online every day giving men the show they pay for. She tells me the majority of men come online for sexual shows...not for love and marriage as their profile may claim -so girls are simply giving men what they are looking for.
Watch the free video cams on HRB's any night. Girls fingering themselves, playing with their tits, naked.....this is something that is common.would you expect this kind of behavior from the future mother of your children....I have screen shots of these girls that will live forever!
Website admin knows is goes on - it keep men online watching...SPENDING CREDITS!!!!!! duh!
Jetmba has it right...it's something we all know. Learn a little Russian, clean yourself up and simply go to Ukraine for 2 weeks...at the very least, you will have a great vacation. None of these girls online will leave Ukraine and move...their family is there, their friends are there, their boyfriend or husband is their, their life is their AND, thanks to us guys, they can earn 10x's the average UA salary from the comfort of their own bedroom!
Check these websites advertising their newly united "happy couples"........how many are hot 20 year old girls with a old guy?" NONE.....
If you are chatting with a girl and she is ONLINE only; not on video???? Guess what.....guarantee you are chatting with someone else..you are not chatting with the girl. I was there I saw it...
Think about it for a moment. Agencies and girls want to make as much money from you as possible. You pay way more to video chat - why wouldn't they be on video chat, they'd make more money!!!!
"I have a pimple, I look sick, I don't feel well today, bad connection"..all excuses you will here when its NOT the girl online. Agency workers and other girls can easily "sit-in" / "fill in", while the girl is away.....and keep the ball, ) or dough) rolling.
Same thing for letters..this is stupid. You have NO IDEA who opens and replies to your letters and yes, all agencies keep all chats on file, profiles on all chats, so its no problem for a substitute to sit in, and know your cats name or whatever, as well as everything you previously wrote of chatted about.
This is exhausting, we all know what's going on...it is all a scam plain and simple but still, men each minute of every day will sign up, sign on and piss away all their money.
Guys, give me $5 grand and 2 weeks, I will take you to Ukraine and your money will be better spent. It's far less than you will spend with online scammers. Do this trip every year or twice a year as I do. (You cannot go over to Ukraine "on the cheap", and expect a hot woman to imagine her life with you will be better than what she has now.) PERIOD!
...and yes, you will get laid by a couple of hot young girls to satisfy your ego. Tours start next April / May!
My time over there is very limited, so I need to meet them online and get to know them as best as possible before I go. Otherwise I would never use an interpreter or agency.
I had my first warning sign before I got off of the plane. I called her from the plane as soon as it landed. I said; Hello,, itís xxxxx! Iím in Lugansk! Her reply was; ah,,, ah huh,,,,, and she hung up????? Supposedly,,, I was the first one she had met,,,, and she hung up on me?? She should be excited,,, she should be having a problem sleeping?? No.
She claimed to know very little English and needed an interpreter. During our meetings and dinners,, she would laugh at my jokes before the interp did. I asked her point blank;,,, How much English do you know?? She replied in Russian,, only a little from TV and movies! She could tell what I was saying was funny??
During our latest meetings,,, she spoke almost perfect English,, in fact,, she can carry on a conversation in English without any Russian accent at all??? She could give our national news and no one would know the difference!! She is able to turn it on and off??!!
In addition to all the other hazards on HRB,BEWARE of the girl named DELLICIOUS. She's often trolling in chat, but NEVER has a camera. She's either a guy, or more likely, works for the agency in some management role.
I was a member some years ago, and then renewed my membership in 2014.
However I ended my membership after a few weeks as I found out that most girls actually are paid for their "work".
When I was a member about 10 years ago, girls sais they could not communicate outside the agency because there were very few internet cafťs, and they also needed agency interpreter.
This year, they had harder finding excuses about why they cannot communicate via email or phone.
Most of them have said that Agency rules say they cannot communicate directly until the man has visited her (arranged by agency of course).
Some girls gave me their email address, but letters were very different and seemed to be written by someone totally different...
Wow I'm glad I didn't read this thread before I went over and married the agency girl of my dreams. That's not true, I never dreamed a woman like my wife existed. Yes there are scammers but there are more, real women than scammers. Think about it. A woman can sign up atmail.ru for nothing. I told my now wife that she should give me get e mail. She said she wanted to wait until we were sure we were going to get together. I told her to open a mail.ru account just for me. If things don't work out, just close the account. She jumped on that idea.
The women on pay per letter sites are much more likely scammers than the women here because you pay one price. They gain nothing by writing more letters. Once you remove the profit motive, it's amazing how quickly scammers disappear.
Any way for the new people here, if you have a savvy bone in your body you won't get scammed. One word of caution is refuse to date women who can't speak passable English. Them learning English removes another way to scam (translator fees) and it shown motivation to find an over seas husband.
I think I'll get up now and go check out my beautiful wife making breakfast.
All men get scammed. The girls are well schooled to play to our male emotions...sadly but true. Once the hooks are in we seem to lose some sense of reasoning. And this is where the women can take the upper hand; threatening to discontinue correspondence etc.Many sites charge "per letter", so there is an incentive on the part of the girls. The girls are also good at equating your love for them with the number of gifts and celebrations you recognise.
December to March is a windfall for girls; Christmas, New Years, Orthodox New Years, Ukraine New Year, Valentines Day, Easter, International Women's Day. If you miss one of these "gift" days, she will assume you are not serious. And of course, you will no doubt be forced to buy all the gifts through the websites. If you miss one date, "you don't love her."
Now imagine you have a couple girls on the go.....