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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > The hit ratio, why they dont answer. Author Post deanis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/8/2004 12:31:48 AM   The hit ratio. How many answers vs number of letters sent. Usually not very good. 10%, 20%, 50%???? Why? Well, I discovered a few reasons. One, I learned on my last trip. I decided to try something different this time. I hit many web sites that featured girls in the cities that I was planning on visiting. Kharkov and Kiev Ukraine. Didn't buy a membership and didn't buy a single address. I did print out each girls profile that I liked and took them with me. I then hit all the local agencies and showed them the girls I wanted to meet. Paid for the intro date fee which ranged from $10 to $20. Basically I went right the source. This eliminated the chance of email or letter fraud. If the girl wasn't available they had to tell me right then and there. During this process (Which worked very well) I dated many great girls. The interesting thing that I learned was how they became to join the agency. What I found was a new thing that these agecies are doing to get the girls to sign up. They advertise free professional photos in the local paper. Only stipulation is that the girl has to allow the agency to publish her profile on their website. It's a very successful way to recruit beautiful girls to put on their website. These girls are mostly not even thinking about marriage let alone to a foreigner! They open you letter and read it with amusement and then throw it away. So, how are you guys doing on your hit ratio? What is the percentage? Does Fiance.com have a good ratio? By the way guys. Excuse the spelling! jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/8/2004 2:02:53 AM   Great idea deanis. And of course (to reiterate) its one of the reasons that I also went directly to the FSU. I wanted to avoid any potential scam perpetrated by agencies OR the girls in all the possible forms. To some extent a person might get the feel for how serious the girl is in marrying a foreigner by the accompanying text she writes - her self description and about the man she wants to meet. Its true that this part could well be written for her by the agency and, quite likely, even if legitimate it might be "improved upon" by the translator - but in such cases you would look for similarities from profile to profile from the same agency. If its fake many will look similar. A problem I would have with your technique regarding my trip to Moldova is that thre really aren't any Moldovan marriage agencies. You'll find a couple through search engines on the internet, but when you visit the sites you find that they have been closed for years - and reduced to only gift delivery services. The problem certainly ISN'T that there are no Moldovans looking for western husbands. It seems to be that there are so few western visitors to Moldova (compared to other FSU countries) and male visitors are, after all, the ones who pay the fees. Moldovan agengies don't seem to be able to make a go of it. Fortunately there are Moldovans who have listed themselves with Ukrainian and Russian agencies. So I have to buy Moldovan addresses and take them with me. Alternatively, since there are really no local agencies (advertising to westerners over the web anyway) there seems to be little chance of the phenomenon you describe; local agencies offering free professional photo shoots in return for the right to list the girl. Most listed Moldovan, it would seem, are genuinely interested. But there are some other problems to consider. One Moldovan girl I know, who is very anxious to find a western husband, was dropped by her agency because she had no email address (and again - there is no local agency office for her to pop into). Her address and phone number, evidently, were not enough. I know that there is a local internet cafe - but it is dark and daunting and she says she does not feel comfortable there or want to spend any time there! Others, it seems don't speak (write) English well enough to properly interpret letters or write adequate responses. Again, a local agency would help, but if there is none translation can be difficult and expensive. Some are not especially literally gifted and they feel uncomfortable expressing their feeling through the written word. To some it seems especially unappealing that guys they write to seem to want foreign penpals instead of wives, as it seems because the fear or expense they never seem to want to get off of their butts and travel to meet the girls. These girls have lives too along with their dreams. And the frustrations mount up after a while. When we write we expect them to jump. Sometimes, it seems, they get tired of jumping as the disappointments mount up. Some, of course, are flooded with responses, especially at first, and with prominant listings. They can't respond to everyone. It seems that there can be many reasons we don't get the responses we want. Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/8/2004 8:41:03 AM   I think what jetmba says is quite right and this is the most typical reasons-disappointment or a great number of letters received. Usually ladies expect to find someone very quickly. I receive at least 3 letters each week from ladies, who say that they want to delete their ad from a catalog, because noone is writing her. Many girls are just hurt bu the fact that they e-mailed many men from catalog and got nothing, even a decline messages. Finally when they get a letter from man they do not care to send a decline themselves! There are some ladies who are interested in search, but they do not have a chance to check e-mails daily or visit the agency office a few times per week. I think its hard to describe site's ratio in general just because this depends on who is writing. If you are a 30-40 yo man with a good job and above average looks be sure that 98% of ladies will write you back.Even those who are getting many letters will certainly find time for you. ;-)))) The ratio will be different depending on women's age group too. 35-40( and older) ladies are not that choosy as 25-30 yo ladies. If you write to 45-50 yo ladies-I think you'll get 100% of responses!!! crashnsplash Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/8/2004 11:03:36 AM   I agree with Olga, my return rate was atleast 98% (I'm no longer a member here)Refusal rate was probably 5%. In six months I wrote to just over 200 girls. None of these girls are older than 31 or younger than 21. I am 36, but I don't rate what I look like. I just figured if they didn't like me it was either because of my appearance , where I live, or the fact I'm raising my daughter by myself. I can tell you that most were very impressed that I am a single dad doing it all myself.I think if you aren't getting a good hit rate your either not a good writer, have crummy pictures posted or your just too old for the age girl your after. Thats my take. TimH Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/8/2004 1:06:33 PM   Here here Crash deanis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/9/2004 1:22:44 AM   I'm assuming Olga is talking about Fiance.com girls. What about you Crash? Is the 98% figure for Fiance.com? The low hit ratio I'm talking about is for other agencies I've used and many of my fellow tour mates I have met this past year. A lot of frustratio among the guys. I see all the good points Olga mentioned first hand while I was there. 99% of these girls do not have a computer at home. Myself I've had a pretty good hit ratio when I did send out postal letters or emails. Not 98% but pretty good. Another thing I found while there is some of the larger agencies are taking their good ole time updating their data bases. As I mentioned I took many printed profiles with me to the local agencies and many of the girls were already engaged living in another country or had moved. Some of these girls were still on the agency banner web page! I'd be pissed if I had paid $15 each for this contact information! By the way Jet. I think you might have a good idea there going to Moldova. You may be the only game in town! Hit the dance clubs with an interpreter. I met a ton of girls this way! crashnsplash Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/9/2004 9:39:23 AM   No Deanis, I was figuring in a couple of agencies I was dealing with before fiance.com, but most of the girls were from here. I noticed most of my unanswered mail was from girls not with an agency. All the girls I met through independent mail turned out to be worthless. Simpleman1963 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/9/2004 1:30:11 PM   Great discussion guys. Very helpful for the uninitiated. I have been looking into doing a tour; and since I just refinanced my condo, I have the means to do it. It seems like building a relationship on correspondence would be hard at best... like a blind date, personal chemistry would be an unknown until you met each other in person. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/9/2004 2:24:16 PM   Hi Sim: Wise move. Go for tour tour. Its the best option especially for the uninitiated. The personal chemistry aspect should not be discounted nor the importance underrated. Besides that, you will have the experience of your life in actually BEING there with these beautiful women who will hold you in such high regard. No vacation you have ever heard of can compare. And the pure fun you will have should not be underrated either! TimH Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/9/2004 2:26:21 PM   Just like a kid in a sweet shop :o)))) jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/9/2004 2:27:37 PM   Should have been "Go for 'the' tour". Not "Go for tour tour." (Maybe: "Go for the the".?... Nah... Let's stick with "Go for the tour") jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/9/2004 2:31:57 PM   Tim is right - and keeping the analogy - remember to roam a little through the shop and don't just stuff yourself with the first sweets you see. Remeber your time is limited - sample everything you can. dma Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/9/2004 2:40:56 PM   You could argue that our life is limited too yet we all want to settle for Willy Wonka's everlasting gobstopper. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/9/2004 2:59:29 PM   Eventually, if looking for a wife, you have to (or at least should) settle for one particular favorite confection which you can devour (heh..heh) for the rest of your life. BEFORE putting the stop on, however, make certain it is really the one you want to settle on. That means enduring the arduous task (again heh..heh) of conducting a thorough campaign to sample all the possible kinds of candy that might interest you. Oh the difficulty of this life. TimH Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/9/2004 5:52:03 PM   We are back to the one box that you will enjoy for life thing again ;o)))) tradman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/9/2004 6:28:30 PM   choice can be a terrible thing, I am alsready torn, s'pose it better than no choice at all!!! jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2004 9:16:11 AM   Actually Tim - my point was sort of the antithesis of the "one box for the rest of your life" idea. I suppose that is best and what we all strive for really (with only minor reservation). But here I'm talking about the quest phase, where you get to sample not only other boxes, but hands full of nougat, unwrapped little morsels and bounding jugs full of sweet milk chocolate. I'm still talking about a candy store guys. I hope you weren't thinking about anything else. Its impostant to try a variety of confections before you decide on a favorite. (And besides - I was busy when you guys wrote the "box you will enjoy for life thing" and didn't get to contribute.) TimH Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2004 1:30:19 PM   Well you have certainly done your bit now mate :o))) As for me, Im a chocoholic so any form of chocolate works for me :o))) Boxed or unboxed, I dont much care :o)) tradman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2004 6:06:14 PM   Enjoy the moment, I sit at work all day, excited about a reply e mail, God I needed something to look forward to after my last debacle TimH Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/14/2004 8:58:17 AM   On the subject of translations programs, and Again, the Box subject :o) This line came to me in an email last week !! "but I shall come one of these days into its (her) box, while she(it) will be in hospital" You gotta be so careful when you trust in software to translate your, or your ladies letters :o)) Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > The hit ratio, why they dont answer.
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