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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Heart attack in Ukraine( not a good idea) Author Post sunvolt Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/28/2012 5:27:37 PM   Hello Men, I had a nice long conversation today with my Ukrainian girl and i got on the subject of medical emergency response here in the states with her and what the scenario in her city would be if this happens to a person.I told her we simply dial 911 in event of an emergency such as a heart attack and just about anywhere i know of in the USA well trained paramedics show up in only minutes with the latest high tech equipment and the chances or surviving a heart attack is pretty good.I told her you can be in an emergency room in less than half hour with treatment immediately upon arrival at the scene to the victim .I am 53 and in that age so it concerns me .Me and her discussed me living in Yalta/states and our other options where to live if things work out between us. So medical care is important to me so i asked her.She is well traveled in Europe and USA so she knows both sides of the coin.Her reply to my question was the paramedics show up to take you to the local morgue (ouch!)not an emergency room .She said it is always takes an hour after the emergency call is made and no less. She said a few of her male friends and business partners all died in there late 40`s and 50`s from heart that could have been saved in Ukraine.I just wanted to share this with the forum . moyarishka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/29/2012 3:28:36 PM   well if you have a medical insurance paramedics will come quickly, but if you don't want to pay for the insurance then you call 103 and paramedics will come in 15-60min :) it's your choice. But in small towns they don't have a choice cos they don't have private clinics with this insurance system. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/29/2012 3:53:01 PM   Ukraine also has the highest number of heart attacks per year with 891 per 100,000 in the population. The number one ranks seems to fluctuate between Ukraine, Russia, Belarus and Latvia. You can find proof of what I am saying on the web. I just memorized it and don't feel like looking for the site again to post a link. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/29/2012 3:56:52 PM   But you have to figure that means ONE out of 112 Ukrainians will have a heart attack THIS YEAR. And since that risk is not spread out evenly of course, among children, of low risk people - that means if you ARE in a high risk category - chances are your risk is VERY VERY high. sunvolt Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/29/2012 3:57:31 PM   What do you think it is Jet their diet ? sunvolt Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/29/2012 3:59:58 PM   Jet, what scares the shit out of me is what she said about medical response time and the fact you dont get a chance to be revived........whew ! durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/29/2012 4:31:39 PM   I well remember my first impression of a Ukrainian hospital -- I was with a friend who was visiting to check in with people he knew on the medical staff. I'm used to American hospitals, which regardless of their age usually have recently renovated interiors, full of spotless white or metallic surfaces, and of course are bristling with all sorts of technical infrastructure, and bustling with activity. The hospital in Ukraine looked old, dingy, and dirty; the halls were mostly quiet and empty. To me it felt not so much like a medical facility, as an old factory -- a factory that had long ago shut down and been abandoned. I wasn't expecting to see this, but my friend took me into a room where a screen showed the image of a cardiac catheter, and through a large window we could see the doctors at work on the patient, who was partly covered by a white sheet, soaked with enough blood that the red patch seemed to be a respectable part of a square meter. By the way, this was a major hospital in the capital city of Kyiv, and so perhaps was much better than one might expect in a smaller or remote town. Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/29/2012 10:13:17 PM   My recommendation to anyone worried is to follow moyarishka's advice and buy insurance that covers you in the growing private system. Many Ukrainian cities have top level emergency care that is capable of providing stabilizing care until a medical evac is arranged. The insurance is cheap and I highly recommend it, especially the evac insurance which can get you to a facility in Germany in hours. Auto defibrillators are increasingly common in Ukraine. I always take medicines for a variety of scenarios and know where the western standard facilities are located in every city I am in. sunvolt, if you do pursue living in Ukraine then simply take the necessary steps to protect yourself even if it means spending 2-3000 for basic lifesaving equipment at home and be sure your girl knows how to use them. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/30/2012 1:50:53 AM   I have a friend who is a paramedic and a brother who was a first responder, and they say you only have a 1 in 18 chance of being revived without proper equipment. I lost a brother inlaw when he had his 4th heart attack. This was during a hunting trip, about 70 miles from the blacktop road. What we didn’t know,,, was just days before the hunt, he had a doctor‘s appointment, and he was put on the transplant list,,,,, and told no one!!! I was at a dental hospital in Odessa,,, very 1960’s!! The building might have been fancy in it’s day,,, but worn right out. Marble steps,,, worn down several inches from decades of use. It wasn’t one patient and one doctor,,, but assembly line medicine! Up to the 2nd floor to register,,, then up to the 4th to see a nurse, back down to the 1st floor for an x-ray, up to the 3rd to see the doctor. A big room with a dozen operations going on all at the same time,, with perhaps a certain to separate them. I was their first American,, and they didn’t know what to charge me,, because it was FREE for the locals. But they did accept tips,,,, I asked how much,,,,,, 700UAH! I did the exchange and smiled,,, about 90USD,, cheap! I did need to pay for the medicine,,,, and I remember 26?? 26 what I don’t remember. sunvolt Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/30/2012 7:18:39 PM   Thanks Rick,Ranger, That is definitely noted. I also wanted to know if they have good pharmacies and if you have to have a Ukrainian doctor to write out prescriptions or what do you need to maintain prescriptions over there in Ukraine. I know my refills here in the states are only good for three months then i have to call in for new refills.I pondered having them renewed by phone or e-mail from Ukraine to my doctor and then having my pharmacy Fed-Ex or UPS back to Ukraine if this is possible.Maybe everything is just simply there in the Ukraine that i need with only a new doctor there. Maybe i should bring a transcript from my american doctor on my medicine requirements. I just dont know. Any help on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou Sunvolt. smart a Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/30/2012 10:03:25 PM   And I'm expecting at least 2 people to be taken by Great White Sharks from the beaches off the West Australian Coast this Summer. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/31/2012 12:43:54 AM   "Curtain" jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/31/2012 4:40:04 AM   Sunvolt: The physical attributes of Ukrainians in general are directly linked to their lifestyles. EVERYTIME I see a gorgeous Ukrainian woman, who fills out a pair of jeans like a supermodel (and they are all OVER the place) I realize that American women would look just as good - if they walked miles at a time to food stores and didn't use cars to take them across the street. A lot of Amrican women (people actually, in general) are so lazy that if they need to go to two stores in opposite ends of a mall, they will park near the door of one, and then get in the car and drive through the parking lot to the door of the other store. Its the constant excercise that makes them so beautiful. But men in later life eat diets rich in fat, fatty sausages, pig lard, sour cream, its amazing how much fat they eat. And they drink HUGE quantities of alcohol. Pair that with the bad medical care and the fact that once they are successful they tend to lead sedentary life styles. Incredible that the same country that produces such physically fit young women, also turns out men with every condition leading to heart disease known to human kind. A comment that was made by the guide at the last Romance Social I attended was that women SELDOM say that they are looking for a man in his 50's. Even WOMEN in their 50's seldom say that they want a man in his 50's or older - because in Ukraine they don't HAVE a lot of men in their 50's. They just don't exist in large enough numbers. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/31/2012 4:50:16 AM   In many cities in Ukraine there are places like "American Medical Center", which has several offices (for sure in Kiev). These places have America or western trained doctors, working in many western recognized specailties and the have staff that speaks English. American Expatriots who have no medical insurance can even work out reasonable payment plans with them. I count myself lucky that I have never had a medical problem in Ukraine - but I do have insurance that would cover such things - and I would certainly want to go to American Medical Center or a similar place. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/31/2012 4:51:04 AM   American Medical Center also has its own ambulance service. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/31/2012 4:55:02 AM   http://amcenters.com/ This is the website for American Medical Center. durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/31/2012 9:56:50 AM   @jet: I once went to an "American Medical Clinic" in Russia. It claimed to be American-style medicine -- but the beautiful offices and excellent service were very much better than I've ever seen in the USA! However, the place I visited certainly didn't seem to be equipped for serious emergency cases -- it was a medical office, not a hospital. I wonder what American Medical Center in Ukraine could do for a cardiac emergency? In any case, the options in a small or remote town are likely to be grim. I second what you wrote about lifestyle and health -- but would add that the incidence of smoking is very high over there, which of course is terrible for the heart. And as is well known, many of these men often drink heavily. Many people don't realize that high alcohol consumption can cause or aggravate cardiovascular disease. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/31/2012 12:12:31 PM   I had a brief lunch with a cousin a few years ago. She is a doctor in West Virginia. She had visited Saint Petersburg. We didn't talk much about Russian hospitals. But, the thing she said was they used cats to get rid of mice. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/1/2013 11:38:27 PM   “A comment that was made by the guide at the last Romance Social I attended was that women SELDOM say that they are looking for a man in his 50's. Even WOMEN in their 50's seldom say that they want a man in his 50's or older - because in Ukraine they don't HAVE a lot of men in their 50's. They just don't exist in large enough numbers. “ I think what jet wrote is very true. Most women won’t want to start a relationship with someone that might die on them at any time,,,, unless they are gold diggers hoping to find an old geezer that could keel over at any time. Younger women who are willing,,,, or say they are willing to have a huge age gap are the ones to worry about! Even some of the websites themselves, warn men when they want to open a letter from a girl with more than 15 to 20 years difference in age. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/1/2013 11:48:43 PM   Sunvolt,,,, I was told by an interpreter,, that you can go into a pharmacy and order anything!!? I’m not sure how true that is,,,, I didn’t test it! I should have though,,, the prescription drug “Midren” is no longer available in the US. I asked my doctor about making out a prescription to take to Canada ,,, and he said that he can’t make out an Rx for any drug that has been pulled. 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